What does decentralisation mean to me?

revisesociology (73) in decentralizesteem • 5 years ago (edited)

View this post on Hive: What does decentralisation mean to me?

I've moved to Hive, along with most other people, following Justin Sun's takeover of Steem in the Spring of 2020. I believe hive is a lot more decentralised than Steem!

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5 years ago by revisesociology (73)

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abitcoinskeptic (73) · 5 years ago

Interesting, I don't think that decentralization and authority go hand in hand. Authority can be centralized or distributed, but it is still authority.
I guess it comes down to what one considers authority.

Ecosystem solution is neat. Steem almost got there with communities and SMTs. I believe people hijacked that before it happened because some ecosystems (ie. bid bot communities) need other systems to leech off of since there content isn't valuable. Actually, there is a lot of content that aren't valuable and will end up in low functioning ecosystems.

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revisesociology (73) · 5 years ago

So many things need to be defined when it comes to discussing decentralisation, I'm sure half the time we end up talking passed each other!

As to leeching I was wondering where parasites might fit in to the equation, couldn't quite figure that one out!

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mindtrap (74) · 5 years ago (edited)

If 4 witnesses don't agree something, then nothing can be changed (25% of stake)

It's 20% :)

If 17 witness agree something, then something can be changed (80% of stake )

It's 85% :)

Great post bud. Solid read

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revisesociology (73) · 5 years ago

Hey thanks,

I'll take that as an error, just a typo TBH on my part!

Cheers!

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fago (39) · 5 years ago

Have you ever heard of the p2p foundation? This is an organization or website that deals with decentralization issues. In particular, I can recommend the article on Torus Governance Network as inspiration for further thoughts. If that appeals to you, maybe you can share it with others. Especially developers for the new Steem chain.

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revisesociology (73) · 5 years ago

Hey thanks for the tip, I'll check it out - TBH i'm not sure if I've heard of the Foundation. in particular, as P2P is such a common phrase, but I will check it out!

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glenalbrethsen (68) · 5 years ago

Hey, @revisesociology.

Yeah, you did do kind of what I did, except you broke things down better, I think. How you define decentralization is a little different than mine, too, which I guess makes both our points. :)

I like the idea of the ecosystem. However, you still have dominant species, which you refer to as top feeders, and they can pull a significant amount of the resources in an ecosystem to themselves, and the rest of the animals can be helpless to defend against it. There are some who manage to overcome great odds, though, too. In the case of those animals, it depends largely on their own strengths and weaknesses, and who they run with.

Generally, though, ecosystems don't filter out the negative, but except them as a whole. And I guess what I mean by that is, the predator will probably end up with prey for dinner. Not so great for the prey, but the predator lives for another day.

None of them own the ecosystem, but some can certainly control it, or highly influence what others do within it. So, even without conscious thought, like a human should have, things tend to centralize to the smallest denominator.

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arcange (73) · 5 years ago (edited)

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felixxx (68) · 5 years ago

If 4 witnesses don't agree something, then nothing can be changed (25% of stake)
If 17 witness agree something, then something can be changed (80% of stake )

... a majority of SP can vote the top 30 witnesses (51% of stake)

Thanks for the mention !

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