RE: Regime Change Amping Up in Venezuela, with Guaido's 'Tactical Action' and Engineered Power Blackouts

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Regime Change Amping Up in Venezuela, with Guaido's 'Tactical Action' and Engineered Power Blackouts

in deepdives •  6 years ago 

Dutch disease isn't what happened to the government at all. Dutch disease happened to the public, to the people, to the economy. The first time it happened was before socialism, when the oil was in private hands and the wealth almost entirely siphoned into Spain and the old Conquistador blood.

I said that a Harvard study concluded quite differently than "the government got lucky with the oil price boom" which you simply repeated as if it has any validity, it does not.

Also, the extreme poverty and overall poverty is still not worse than before Chávez, not only that, because of his social programs the amount of university graduates tripled. More so, there has been, like the article you wandered into to disregard that socialism works (in Canada as well) and it wasn't socialism that caused the socioeconomic crisis in Venezuela, plenty of evidence and indication that the crisis was and continues to be driven directly by the NGO and extreme right wing terrorism that has killed more people than the Venezuelan national guard or police that gets routinely blamed for excessive force, as if any free country would put up with such violence and still try to compromise and have a dialogue with these "rebels". This has been along the same line of operation as what is pointe in the article above, and history shows that the US tried not once or twice but numerous times in the last 20 years to take out the Venezuelan leadership. The last pro government rally eclipsed any and all rallies the so called rebels mustered.

You can accuse Chavez of corruption or Maduro but you have no lick of evidence to support your accusations, and generalities about millions being stolen aren't any kind of proof, only hearsay at best. Equally you can simplify the issue into "the government" lowered oil production after firing the most competent employee as if nothing needs to preface those simplifications even, which is why it's irrelevant/inconsequential. The corruption is not at the head, but at the limbs and digits, and this has been proven again and again over there.

What is happening in Venezuela is what has happened in other Latin America Countries as per Economic Hitman details. NGO's sow dissent and rebellion, arming individuals with AT4 Launchers, Grenades and C4, among the pick of small arms and vehicles, and plenty of pocket change. At the same time anyone with ties to the US pressure is brought to either export goods which are needed domestically, or cease production, and at the same time impose sanctions and economic consequences / conditions for anyone who does not obey. This has been detailed in numerous cases in Latin America, and the imperialistic parasite has not bother to hide that with Venezuela at all.

Venezuela has give the entire Latin American world the chance to escape the 100 plus years of American Imperialism, and it only happened because of Chavez.

Corruption is a problem but the crisis is not because of corruption. Socialism is exactly what Canada, NZ, Netherlands, Sweden, Ireland, Norway, Finland, China, Singapore, Belgium, and a handful of other countries have had, some for 60 or more years without a crisis like Venezuela. The public /private ownership ratio is comparable in Venezuela to that in the United States if you take into account the government interest through subsidies in so called "private sector".

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Socialism is exactly what Canada, NZ, Netherlands, Sweden, Ireland, Norway, Finland, China, Singapore, Belgium

No, those countries aren't socialists, far from it. Even China stopped being a real socialist country after Mao's revolutions.

I already shared this link but I will do it again, https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Check the economic freedom index and you will see those countries have a lot of it.

I think it would clear things up if you could share your own definition of socialism, can you define socialism?

Yes, socialism is the state ownership or control over fundamental sectors of society, such as health, education and utilities.

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Yes, so? did you check the economic freedom of those countries in the index I shared?

State ownership is computed into those rankings, stop calling those countries socialist because they are simple not socialist, they have free market capitalism.

China is different though, but still, they stopped supporting those obsolete ideas after Mao's revolution ended.

Can you share data that can justify why do you think those countries are socialists?

They are socialist and socialism is not against free market.

All those countries have strict regulations regarding environment protection, they all offer extensive welfare and all have free health care and education. They regulate business and tax heavily, and they are socialist because of the extent of welfare system they have in place.

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they are socialist because of the extent of welfare system they have in place.

Socialism isn't about that, you said it yourself in a previous comment where you defined socialism. Those countries aren't socialists, they have a market economy, you cannot have a market economy and socialism at the same time.

Yes you can. You obviously don't know what socialism is.

Socialism isn't about any welfare state, much less if the welfare state is supported by a capitalist economy.

Socialism is a different system, and again, you said it yourself when I asked you to define it and you defined it properly.

Socialism is all about welfare state.

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