they are socialist because of the extent of welfare system they have in place.
Socialism isn't about that, you said it yourself in a previous comment where you defined socialism. Those countries aren't socialists, they have a market economy, you cannot have a market economy and socialism at the same time.
Yes you can. You obviously don't know what socialism is.
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Socialism isn't about any welfare state, much less if the welfare state is supported by a capitalist economy.
Socialism is a different system, and again, you said it yourself when I asked you to define it and you defined it properly.
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Socialism is all about welfare state.
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