Scammer in the Making, or Just a Poor Strategist?steemCreated with Sketch.

in delegation •  6 years ago  (edited)


Lately, Steem communities have made a real push for unity, coming together for the best interest of the platform. Even Steemit, Inc. has gotten on board with this push, with the naming of Elizabeth (Eli) Powell as Managing Director and Ned Scott as Executive Chairman. Out of this movement has come the SOS Discord, the Steem Business Alliance, and a new Alliance group founded by Steemit, Inc. The movers and shakers in our blockchain universe have understood that the survival of our ecosystem will require teamwork. This is a bad time for maverick action by any solo user or splinter group, especially those who might be selling snake oil.

Several people in The Writers' Block, the Discord community I admin alongside @GMuxx, have received wallet spam from a user named @crypto.piotr. He's on about delegations for his "non-profit" project that has no name, no community, questionable transparency, and no system of accountability. I've been bothered from the outset by his lack of association with any established community or group. But I wasn't overly concerned--what's one more wallet spammer among the bidbots, right?

Well, now I'm concerned. Apparently he's becoming more aggressive, comment-spamming posts with long blocks of text that are completely unrelated to the post and bring no value to the blockchain. Same message, same lack of clear direction. I engaged with him on one such post. And ooooh, boy. He did not respond well.

His first comment was addressed to the owner of the blog, who will remain nameless here. Crypto.piotr managed to drag dstors into his pitch, which @kaliju, @derangedvisions, and @c0ff33a might find interesting. So I asked for more information, and tried to make him aware that he's reinventing the wheel here, that other communities are blazing strong leadership trails in a similar direction.

Well, he gave me more information, all right. He immediately went into hard-sell mode and hit me with meaningless rhetoric like: "I don't want to build another community around monetary/financial rewards." Well, that's commendable, but the fact that he has no knowledge of what other communities (like @welcomewagon) are doing along those lines to help new users on the platform tells me that he's not paid much attention to the resources currently available to Steem users. Therefore working alongside them for the good of all isn't likely to happen.

So I called him out regarding this. As you can see, he didn't like it one bit.

I don't have tangible proof that crypto.piotr is up to no good. He may not be. He may just be lacking direction. Having watched a delegation scammer at work in 2017 from a very close point of view, I'm instantly suspicious of anyone schilling for delegations outside an established community. Either way, is this the best use of anyone's SP--delegating to an initiative with no apparent accountability measures in place?

What I'd like to see happen is closer scrutiny of this user by community watchdogs like @themarkymark and @steemcleaners, who have the resources to vet this guy and either declare him legit or shut him down. Whatever the case, crypto.piotr, I think you're taking a bad direction by becoming defensive and surly when people point out flaws in your strategy. It doesn't make anyone "judgmental" to be cautious about the best use of their SP. I personally don't think your boat is seaworthy. Therefore I wouldn't dream of delegating to your project. Get in line with some successful initiatives here on Steem, network within established communities, and then let's see where you are a few months down the road.

As for other users who may consider delegating to this project...buyer beware. I think there are reasons to be concerned.

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In re: @ulqu3's comment -
Yes, I did see that he helped the Venezuelan community. I have also received a memo and comment from piotr. I personally support and have supported various things in South America so it was of interest. I asked him to find me on discord. Instead, he sent a memo highlighting a couple of accounts. One talked about bitcoin and other crypto faucets (some that could be considered scams) and the other just was resteeming a lot of content by the other account. I'm not saying he has ill intention, but since he did not come off chain to actually speak with me, does raise an eye brow. I'm all about helping minnows, and the scale of which he proposed, would need personal interaction.

In re: @rhondak's post -
The fact that the comments made had no bearing on the post itself would - in my book - constitute spamming. Sure, they may be genuine each time, but no engagement of the actual topic from the author means there was no intention for either ill-will or good vibes to be offered for a post. A disinterested comment with its own agenda is, by rights, a spam comment and therefore, Rhonda is in the right to say so.

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Thank you, Engine. I knew I wasn’t completely crazy with my feelings and gut instinct here.

That awful!!!
What things we find in this life.

Since childhood my parents taught me to value others, to respect their point of view even if it was contrary to mine.

I also learned to defend the just causes.
If I see that they are hurting the weak, I instinctively defend him. If I notice that there is a negative factor in my community, in my family or in my environment, I fight it.

When I met @ crypto.piotr several months ago I noticed an educated person with good intentions. I met an intelligent person who encourages interaction among steemit members. It does not give gifts, it does not take anything away from anyone either. I have not been able to notice any illicit or badly intensified enrichment.
On the contrary, I have tangible proof of his kindness. And there are many of us who can attest to that.

It was very sad and unfortunate for me to read this publication.

It is worrisome to see how someone's reputation can be damaged. I can not help thinking that there may be dark intentions behind this post. I can not find another explanation.

Appreciated @rhondak, I would have personally contacted @crypto.piotr instead. I would also have contacted the steemit authorities and made the accusation de rigueur.

But ... do a publication with screenshots of the chats and issue such harsh accusations? I never would have.

I wish you the fruits of this initiative are what you desire. And that in the end everyone benefits.

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  ·  6 years ago (edited)

The screenshots are of public comments. Not private chats.

Also, there are no Steemit “authorities.” This platform is decentralized.

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Hi @rhondak,

Congratulations, you definitely can write. Good command of English and there is power in your writing. Today is the first time I come across your community, The Writer's Block. Unfortunately, I have no idea what your community is currently doing. Perhaps you can write a post about what this community is about?

Based on your post, it seems that you have an issue to wallet spam. I receive wallet spam from many bots every single day. Resteem bots, bid bots, etc. Do you know if they are credible bots?

As you have mentioned, Steemit is a decentralised platform and we have the freedom to promote, recommend and educate. However all users also have the ability to criticize, slander and rant. They can write a post about their personal encounters or simply a photo they like.

To what I know, Steemit is addressing traffic issues on the network and has already implemented the RCs. If you have a better suggestion for the next HF, you are welcome to write a post about that on Steemit.

To be a discerning writer and user on this platform can be challenging, I can truly understand that. We have posts on Steemit with a different take on every situation.

@rhondak, with you being a self-proclaimed community leader here, I hope that you write and act in the best of everyone's interests, to grow, educate and learn together.

Steemit is a developing platform and we all contribute our part to improve and assist those in need. I am sure @therealwolf will agree with me. His actions and professionalism speaks louder than his words.

Have a good week ahead,

-tysler

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Yes. I know therealwolf. Met him at Steemfest, shared a roundtable session with him, blocktrades, teamsteem, and alexvan. It was a good experience. I've also spoken with him about our project with The Writers' Block. It's unfortunate that you didn't check @thewritersblock Steem blog. There you would have found this post, which goes into a bit of detail about what we're doing in the community.

You might also be interested in the State of Steem broadcast that featured me for a segment on Thursday discussing our strategy. You can find Pennsif's post about it here, and if you'd rather go straight to YouTube, you can find it here. My segment begins at 1:09:30 and lasts through 1:29:45. But stay tuned. Paulag speaks next, then Matt Starkey with Oracle-D, and there is some mention of our project by him. Be sure to keep your eye on the audience chat as it scrolls in the recording.

I'm sorry we've been so obscure for you. Because really--our group is not that obscure. I also apologize for the self-promotion, because apparently that really is the only way to make people aware of valuable initiatives on the Steem blockchain. At least you know now.

So yes, please do speak to therealwolf about our project. And starkerz, and paulag, and most of the top fifty witnesses who've shown up lately to the witness forums and SOS streaming broadcasts. Have a word with Crimsonclad. She's a moderator in our community. She and I had a nice chat today about wallet spam, and the difficulties of eradicating it. So yes. Research me well. I suspect you may come to regret that bit of snit in your tone.

Also notice I didn't feel the need to tag all the people I referenced into the spammer shitshow here. That'll be between you and therealwolf if he does, in fact, respond.

Hi @rhondak (I think I recall the name from the alliance???)

You are slandering a very nice and well-meaning man here.

Your logic seems to be centered on an ideal that if something isn't community-based then it's not legit. That's very poor reasoning and very ironic considering we are talking about a blockchain platform.

I've known @crypto.piotr for a while now and he is using his own unique method to encourage writers as well as build a network of writers, thinkers, and companies alike.

Last I checked, this was a decentralized platform meaning he DOESN'T NEED A COMPANY to operate. Just last month he almost single-handedly rallied a fundraiser for Venezuelan writers. He also worked with some blockchain firms last year and basically gave paid jobs to writers here on steemit.

He didn't need a company to do all this. His methods are HIS methods and he doesn't have to conform to YOUR standard or modus operandi to be called legit. This is the very tenet on which blockchain was built right? freedom of expression.

The only thing in your post that can be seen as a valid point is that his method of reaching out(the mass memos and perhaps comments) may be taken by some as spam. BUT I do believe some of those messages come with an "if you consider this spam please let me know and I won't bother you again"...

All in all, @crypto.piotr is a good person I can vouch for. I would say you owe him an apology.

thank you for your comment and I surely will always keep adding that sentence ""if you consider this spam please let me know and I won't bother you again""

yours
Piotr

No apology will be forthcoming. I think you mean “libel” rather than “slander,” and the fact that you don’t understand the difference means you don’t understand the definition. So I’d withhold using either of those terms until they’re better understood, if I were you.

Anyone who hijacks someone’s comment thread with blatant, self-aggrandizing marketing ploy is a bad actor on this platform. Does this guy do a good deed from time to time? Maybe. I’ve not seen it personally. All I’ve seen is wallet and comment spam, and a really nasty attitude when confronted.

"A really nasty attitude"? Nowhere in his replies to you or anywhere else has @crypto.piotr displayed a "nasty attitude." Actually, it's not in his nature to do so.

As for "spam," it's the quality that counts. I get spammed after every one of my posts by various resteem services. They're annoying, but now I just ignore them.

As for Piotr's memos, at least they have some substance and are well intentioned. And they are definitely not "blatant, self-aggrandizing marketing ploys." Quite the opposite, most of Piotr's memos are intended to benefit others, NOT HIMSELF. That's a simple verifiable fact, as many others are affirming.

If you do not like his memos, please ... just ignore them. And please rest assured that he is not out to take advantage of anyone on this platform. Many of us can confirm that.

“Spamming is the use of messaging systems to send an unsolicited message (spam), especially advertising, as well as sending messages repeatedly on the same site.” That’s from Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming Nothing said at all about “quality.” Unsolicited messages are unsolicited messages. Furthermore, clogging up the nodes with spam transactions or using wallets as email services is a practice completely without foresight. HF20 effectively reduced content spam. Thanks to folks like y’all, HF21 may have to address wallet spam. As for the comment spam, well—there is always the downvote option.

Each day, there are currently over 50,000 posts made. And you're worried that a handful of short memos by Piotr will "clog up the nodes."

Rest assured, they won't. But there will always be plenty of shitposts that will do much more clogging than his memos ever can or will.

As for the "spam," Piotr does not use a "messaging system" (cf. Wikipedia)

No. He abuses our wallet feature instead. And that makes it better, somehow?

Are you familiar with MIRA, by any chance? And the reason for it?

OK, you've convinced me. Piotr's memos will bring about the end of this wonderful, blockchain-based enterprise, which will crack under the burden imposed by them.

And just when we thought we could save the world. Damn!

You didn't answer my question. Are you familiar with MIRA?

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Your accusations and judgements are really unfair @rhondak

First of all, memos are currently the only way to efficiently contact people here on Steemit. As model of Piotr's community is basically based on active users, in order to "improve" the community and gain "quality" members he needs to constantly contact new people. It's not a matter of one whale who decides to support him wirh huge delegation, but a chain of small delegations combined with huge engagement. What's important, if you want you can always be removed from his contact list.

I suppose that you do not understand the model of Piotr's community and that's where your concerns come from.

I don't want to focus on my personal affection for Piotr (as he has been incredibly supportive to me since march 2018), but on objective benefit that he made for steemit community.

Considering numbers, Piotr has delegated 3500 SP to 80 quality bloggers. I want to emphasise one thing: he has not earned anything in connection with that delegation. The only requirement to get delegation was to stay active on steemit and support (with comments) those who decided to add their own SP to this community.

So we have 3 parties that clearly benefit:

  • Piotr, me, and others who decided to support community with their own SP: we got an opportunity to get new audience. Results are amazing, as number of comments and level of discussion has increased rapidly. That's what Steem is about, right?
  • 80 amazing bloggers with delegation: is existence on this platform with 15 SP possible Those poeple need some support in order to survive.
  • Whole Steem community: you may not like Piotr or whoever who suports his community. However, 80 people who stays on steem (most of them would probably left without a delegation) are undeniable benefit.

At the end I want to share one fact: I would probably left Steemit without Piotr support in 2018.

First of all, memos are currently the only way to efficiently contact people here on Steemit.

This. ^^^ This spotlights the root cause of my greatest concern here. Thank you, @neavvy, for validating my point.

Neavvy's statement is false. Multitudes of ways exist for Steemians to contact each other, and after conversations this morning with several people, I understand that Pied Piotr has blatantly spurned those better methods. So it isn't a lack of awareness. It's a deliberate attempt on his part to remain separatist and reject the wisdom of the greater community, where other options exist. This is a huge red flag for me. Words can't express how huge, or how red.

The fact that Pied Piotr's drone army is also unaware of the options is deeply troubling. Also, that so many of them blatantly disregard the fact that wallet memos en masse will ultimately impact transaction times is disturbing on a whole different level. Without the buffering influence of a knowledgable and invested community, what will ultimately result from this is a generation of takers who don't have a clue about the realities of blockchain dynamics.

What Pied Piotr and his drone army are missing are witness forums, live interaction with Steemit, Inc. representatives about leadership changes, MIRA, and power downs. They're completely missing any real connection to the heartbeat of this platform. They're missing the Business 101 lessons about putting in more than you take out in the interest of sustainability. The SOS polls. The opportunities to meet a whole world of Steemians who never have to send a wallet memo in order to communicate with each other.

It's sad, really. But it's their loss. However, the spam and valueless wallet transactions are very much my business, and I will continue to speak up about this until some clarity on the matter is reached.

Pied Piotr and his drone army

Seems to me you are the one with bad attitude indirectly insulting others.

What else would you call them?

First off, accusations work as such: innocent until proven guilty. Your claim of this guy being guilty is based off the fact that you made personal attacks to him and are offended that he politely defendes himself? 😅😅


Personal attacks:

  • Poor strategist (you may say you're blunt, but it's a snobby personal attack).
  • Lack of clear direction (that's your opinion)
  • Claiming the guy lives in a bubble

You did not approach him to genuinely learn about his initiative to better grasp what his strategy is, you deemed it what you wanted and yourself claim to have "called him out." Your choice of words is a clear show that you have claimed his guilty without putting any effort of making a grounds for it. That's just baseless judgement.

By the way, I think you are very detatched from blockchain technology despite claiming to be a community leader. Blockchain technology has native accountability built in; you might want to correct yourself on the claim that there is no accountability on what he does. Hashes, comments, posts, replies--it's all clear.


It just seems you are annoyed he does not want to join your own causes. That's his choice as is yours to not join his. There's a lot of projects on this platform and he needn't know about them to create his own competing initiative; competition is good.

The main question remains: before you want on a rant on how he is defending himself against your accusational and aggressivemess (this post in itself a proof of that) and before you leaned so harshly towards him being guilty (pressing on the word leaned), did you actually bother to monitor his activity?

Maybe consider that next time you hilariously decide to attack some one on the basis of what others did (2017 scam).

Innocent until proven guilty? Tell that to all the wallets he’s invaded with marketing crap and now the blog owners whose comment threads he’s hijacked. I may be detached from blockchain tech in your opinion, but you’re detached from reality if you think I have no basis for my complaints about this user.

@rhondak almost everything you've done here is malicious and irritating. You do not have any concrete evidence to prove that @crypto.piotr is a fraudster or swindler yet you attempted to attack his integrity.

@crypto.piotr has a right to associate with whoever he deems fit, so not belonging to your cult of communities does not cast a shadow of doubt over his integrity and credibility. I have known Piotr for a while now and I can boldly say he has one of the finest intentions for this blockchain. Fortunately, you can't dictate to everyone of us who should be taken seriously or not.

Piotr's mission here is to support those who write good articles bothering on the blockchain and AI. He has done that by organizing contests and curating good posts. Also, he has helped to raise money to support Venezuelans in need. Are these bad or good for the community?

I will advise that you hang your frustrated pen. You targeted the wrong person.

Cc: @majes.tyty

Actually, I said he's a spammer. And there's tons of proof of that. And no--the fact that an entire colony of likeminded users who think it's okay to clog the nodes with useless transactions and sully the comment feeds with unsolicited marketing goes to show for a FACT that I target the right person, and have exposed a hornet's nest of potential abuse of our system.

Do you know that what you call spam, those unsolicited messages, have added to the ratings of the Steem blockchain on sites like blockactivity.info? Those transactions you call spam make Steem boast of being one of the blockchains with the highest number of daily transactions.

Your essay would not have been seen as being malicious and desperately virulent had you also criticized other bid bots and big boys who use the memo messages.

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

My goodness. You really ARE out of touch. Are you familiar with MIRA, and the reason for it?

Just know this: when talk comes down of making each memo cost significant RC, and requiring a minimum amount significantly higher than .001, that Piotr and his drone army (including you) were responsible. Because the truth is, people will find a way to abuse any system and justify it with bullshit like "add to the ratings" to a point where even dencentralized has to be regulated. It's sad. But as long as the takers get to take, right?

And for what it's worth, the wallet spam isn't what set my teeth on edge. It was the comment spam--unsolicited, unrelated crap comments on a post that had nothing to do with Piotr or you clowns in the drone army. Bad form, bad business, and bad manners. Definitely nothing most major users on this platform would ever consider supporting.

Hello, I have read through the comments and noticed much have been said already.

I have known @crypto.piotr from when I joined Steem. He is one of the few that had interest in keeping me and many others on this platform. He has rewarded me several times for simply making decent comments and encouraging undervalued posts related to blockchain and Cryptocurrency because that's our common interest.

I understand you do not like his approach of sending memos and not been part of any community but then that's his own approach. I guess you should have reached him never to send you such memos. Someone people rather be heros on their own you know and it is working for him if you doubt this, reach out to some of the Venezuelans he supported with his initiative.

I don't have tangible proof that crypto.piotr is up to no good. He may not be.

Well, you said it all in that statement.

Again, I feel this was just an issue of telling never to send you memos.

Have a great weekend!

We should never have to tell spammers to stop, especially when they show up in our wallets or comment threads. It's rude and impertinent of anyone to abuse their freedom to post in this way. Just because he insists on being the savior and community leader himself rather than be involved in someone else's work doesn't give him the right to abuse my wallet or other people's comment threads. There's something really sideways about his approach, and while some people are gullible enough to fall for it, I am not.

Hi, I hope you're doing well, @ crypto.piotr has done various campaigns to help many people (including me) from collections for steem donations to delegation to new members who were affected by the H20 and were frustrated with their intention to publish and vote in steemit, I find it funny that you speak of "established" communities but you can simply compare the account you mention welcomewagon with that of @ crypto.piotr and you can notice in the post that the welcomewagon account does not have any interaction while in the post of crypto.piotr you will see dozens and even hundreds of messages, because people when they help them are grateful, so without an "established" community it is evident that it has helped many more people than some communities.

I think the title of the post is offensive, and more because it is shown that someone who has helped many people apart is definitely a better strategist than many leaders of communities (to the facts I refer), I invite you again to see their post and the great interaction they have, mass mailings can be seen as a spam but if you look at it thoroughly you will realize that most of the time what it does is try to give visibility to other people's posts that it considers quality and that are forgotten by most of those "established" communities that you mention.

I'm sure your intentions are the best but I do not understand why to attack someone who with a simple inspection of your account can show that if it helps the community, while we all get spam accounts offering reestimals or votes, because you do not attack to those accounts if according to your the problem is spam?

PD: by mistake, publish from my secondary account with which I play SM, but here republishing with my personal account.
Greetings and have a happy day

Please read my replies to other comments here. I'm tired of repeating myself. Thank you.

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Hello dear @rhondak , I have come to this post to inform me better about other topics and I am surprised that the topic here is about a great person who is providing great help to new people in the steemit community,

I know @crypto.piotr and I know the great work is doing, all the work is decentralized to help the steemit community and without affecting anyone else, I am very surprised by what is exposed in this post related to scam, since the platform of steemit has the system of sending memos as a literal email,

This does not mean that this is a scam, @crypto.piotr I´m sure he is not a scammer, it is just a way to be able to communicate quickly with other people.

Another point is that he does his work reading the posts that are interesting for him and only shares the links with other people, and people decide to read and comment on his point of view,

Now also delegate SP Steem Power to new people to my point of view is very broad and keeps new people with a huge motivation, to continue working and improving their creativity in quality content, and continue to believe in this great project. Steemit.

I am sure that all of us belonging to steemit is because we believe in this project and invest time and money in steem, we are people with different skills and we always create quality content.

All my respect for @crypto.piotr for his great work, kindness, respect, and honesty and trying to keep people united and motivated to continue in steemit.

Then perhaps suggest to him appropriate ways to interact with users besides comment and wallet spam. No, there is no “system of sending memos as a literal email.” It’s an abuse of the memo feature and irritating as hell. If he wants to gain influence on this platform and not come across as a snake oil salesman, he should get involved in the various communities and show more than lip service about all this “great work” he’s doing.

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It saddens me to read most part of this post by @rhondak you obviously had him figured out in your own assumption.

I don't know which you have problem with, is it his personality, the way he goes about his business (not licking asses) or that he doesn't belong to any big steemit community?

Where is it stated that one needs to belong to an already working community to help new user settle down on steemit?

Since the big boys have a working project in their hands someone has got to take care of the new steemians.

Its so annoying how you point fingers at him, you dont even know him that much, you don't know those he helped you are only judging him based on the memo he sent to you that's ridiculous.

@crypto.piotr is not a spammer and definitely a good human to associate with. He made me increase my activities on steemit because of that little delegation. Where were you guys when the fork affected a large chunk of new steemians. I say you guys should focus on what ya'll doing and let people like @crypto.piotr focus on helping newbies. To be sincere i think your post @rhondak is political particularly to attack, cripple and rubbish the effort of a very good person like @crypto.piotr and its not cool.

You made a whole post about the supposed negative side of him and not one good that clearly shows you have a personal vendetta against him perhaps he is doing better than many people thought.

I love him as a brother and i will support him because i know he is a good person and he has not for one reason do something contrary to help the steemit community. He is a community man and those delegations are helping a lot of people whom you or the communities you mentioned don't even know existed.

Mr/Mrs @rhondak dont be intimidated by his growth and dont try to pull someone down if you cant help them let them be and don't bully them because you know some very powerful people here, if you want to point someone in the direction they should go there's a good way to do it, if you want an explanation about somethings about him there's a better way to ask this your post Sir/Ma is a dent on @crypto.piotr image. Drop Mic.

Drop mic? Hilarious. I think you broke it, which is good news for the rest of us because that means we won’t have to listen to you rant any more.

Not a spammer? Tell that to the wallets filled with his blatant marketing crap and owners of blogs hijacked by his unrelated comments trying to schill them out of SP, not to mention his nasty response on other people’s blogs when he’s confronted. Very poor form, bad manners, and bad business all the way around. This type of behavior has never been welcome in the Steem community and he is not the exception.

So much for someone who accused another person of defending himself.

We love @crypto.piotr he has touched all our lives in a way we never expected and we love the memos too... They are kinda cool being that i hardly receive any memo am not as famous as you are, most of us aren't.

@rhondak better join the ark now or...

I’ve never had any issue whatsoever reaching out to people on this platform and communicating, and I’ve never once had to resort to wallet spam. If that’s your preferred method, fine. Just keep cluttering up the blockchain with non-content transactions until all the nodes are overtaxed. Way to think ahead, folks. Really impressive strategy.

A very funny but true story

After getting on steemit last year January, and the person who introduced me to steemit leaving me out here on the platform without direction, i didn't even know how to make an introduction post, so my very first post was a very big mess, no one even noticed the post, not even a bot commented, not talking of humans now, so i gave up on steemit for months, till i met @ronarexx who taught me much about steemit and encouraging me to post again, but this time @ginabot commented on my post saying she saw a similar writeups somewhere, i was very happy at least i got a comment even if it was a bot, then i made another, which @hr1 upvoted, i basically celebrated that upvote, then i was introduced to @originalwork contest, and then i met @crypto.piotr (he commented on my post and told me i should improve on my writeups and how i did my editing) i was glade to receive the comment and he also made a valuable comments in every other post i made, soi desided to check out his post, yhen i became active, and seeing what i did, the for months i gave up again on steemit, i became too busy for the platform, he has never given up, he keeps sending this memo and even email to know why i have not been on steemit.

I know sometimes the memo can be much, buthe never force anyone to delegate, as i have never delegated any SP but he still check on me and keeps me up to date.

Thanks @crypto.piotr @ronarexx @hr1 @originalworks for making steemit a better place for me.

You yourself are not cheaters? Gathering in your channel you decide who will receive an upvoit and who will not. I can tell me personally @crypto.piotr very much helped. He is much better than you. Thanks to him, I met different people. I think you raised this issue in order to destroy the reputation. I think you have nothing left.

@crypto.piotr - This person gave me the opportunity to write. I already use Steemit as easily as I want. I'm new and he helped me. Unlike you.

I have not believed people for a long time. In your words, I see a cleave. The reasons are clear to me. Competitor.

You are already threatened with violence @steemcleaners. Can they pay attention to you?

I think the only scam is you.

Absolutely...Patrice and Steemcleaners are the most violent people I know. I think they all carry brass knuckles and handguns. Wow...conspiracy buff, much?

Is this your joke? To call a person a fraud?
If a person has decided to do something for his community, why are you judging him? Don't play monopoly here. Steemit free space. It looks like you are blackmailing this user. And you want to get his SP.

🤣🤣🤣
OMG are you serious?

This is priceless. Definitely one to screenshot for my collection of ridiculousness.

Dear @rhondak
Your reputation in the community is formidable, and I do respect that very much.

But, with all due respect, I think you have misunderstood @crypto.piotr and his efforts. I do understand your objections to his operations, but I must politely insist that he is one of the good guys.

Fair Disclosure - I am currently enjoying a delegation of +40 SP, courtesy of @crypto.piotr

This alone would seem to strongly indicate that he is indeed doing good with the delegations which he has, (perhaps in an less-than-subtle manner), solicited from other larger members of this fine community.

He does send me messages, roughly twice a week, by sending me 0.003 steem with a note in the memo section asking me to please read the posts by two people whom he is attempting to support, and comment if I feel like doing so. Each time, he says at the end that if I prefer not to receive such notes in future, all I have to do is ask.

At least so far, all my interactions with @crypto.piotr have been pleasant and beneficial. By all that I have seen of him, he is doing good works.

Now, all the above said, I do also understand your desire that more Steemians unite with existing communities, rather than beginning new ones. There is strength in numbers, no one can deny this. And we need to be strong, now more than ever, no one in their right mind can deny this.

In summary, I would much prefer to view your contretemps with @crypto.piotr as a misunderstanding between two good-hearted people with the best of intentions, who have simply failed to understand one another.

Hi @rhondak
It seems like internal messages causes noise to you, and i understand that.
I am sure that Piotr's intention isnt disturb people(at least he apologizes on the memo messages that he does, i read the messages many times)
I can say that i am from Venezuela and Piotr teach and support me throught the worst time of my life. And indeed he saves my life 2 or 3 times when i dont have nothing to eat. So i think a bad person or someone that has bad practices NOT used to motivate or help people on need, and construct a strong circle who share ideas about cryptos, psychology, artificial intelligence and technology.
I have to say that i think these kind of conversation is better to chat or talk on private, because it can be interpreted as a personal fight or a dolphins/whales war, that is my opinion.
Anyway i have to say that Piotr is a true friend, and a awesome coach, good motivator, and i am sure that this trouble will be cleared and solved on a good way for all soon

@crypto.piotr is a great person, a gentleman. You should not question his transparency, he's doing an incredible desinterested job with communities supporting and helping people and I admire him.
He also sent me a Steem donation for me and my family could start this year having some food as we have been living dark times in Venezuela, please don't critize him this way because I know he's great, a kind soul. I feel honored having his friendship and just feeling upset about this post.

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Don't presume to tell me what and what not to question. From the perspective of someone not being bribed into loyalty by handouts, I see some very questionable behavior that I'd be wrong to not point out. So I did point it out. I'm glad you benefitted in some way from his actions. But ends here do not justify the means. There's a better way. He's limiting his own reach and resources with his conduct on the platform.

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Dear @rhondak
I think you can see from the response to your post their is a lot of love out there for @crypto.piotr I think, no I know you have got him all wrong.
I am not going to repeat what all the other people have said in the above comments, they have said it all.
Piotr has spent so much time helping other people to succeed on the steemit platform and all the evidence is there to see.
He has secured me delegations so that I can continue to be active after the hard fork.
He has also sent steem to a dear friend of mine in Africa to help get her son to university, although he supports his own Venezuelan community he did what he could for her and Im.please to say that young man has now got his place. You may not like his methods but he is a very effective mentor and a good friend to many.
You have got him wrong my friend. So either apologise or go you separate way.

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Going my separate way. I don’t like the spam method.

Thats fair thank you.
Its how he comunicates with us and keeps us informed about the comunity. And we find it very effective. If we wish him to stop all we have to do is ask.
Be Lucky 😎

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@crypto.piotr I have always read the post and recommendations that I have sent, very respectful and kind, is to consider friend that at the end of each memo sent by @rhondak, tells you that if it is a nuisance or you consider it spam you let it know and so he will stop sending you memos, I have nothing against @crypto.piotr, rather he has helped many in the stemmit community. greetings and good day for everyone, @rhondak would be good to attack the whales that do not help anyone and who writes something they do not like are responsible for destroying their account in stemmit, which seems too bad.

Those whales are the very force that provide a resource pool for you to take from. Without those evil whales, you would get no payout at all. Their investment backs this platform. But I suppose Pied Piotr didn't teach you that part.

Hello @rhondak...It's always nice to share your opinion about something and just like noses everybody has his but always try to stay off with the labels when you don't have any proof k. The reality on the ground is that you are never going to find any proof which confirms that @crypto.piotr has any negative intentions for the steemit community.

You can check my wallet details and know how this dude has helped me to be active on steemit. When this whole restriction came into place so many steemians became inactive because of the lack of resource credits. @crypto.piotr has been doing a great job helping so many people myself inclusive. I read you mentioned other supportive communities that help within this steemit community.

Well that is very good but i just want to ask you one question and i want you to be so honest with this k. What wrong has he done by adding to all the supportive communities. There is the saying that says "As wide and full as the ocean is it still accepts rain" Steemit community can do a whole lot with the contributions of @crypto.piotr and to be honest with you I have know idea of all those supportive communities that you mentioned about.
Please if you don't support this don't crush this because it is good and it is backed by very good intention.

Proof? Proof of comment spam is embedded in my post in the form of screenshots. If I take screenshots of the spam in my wallet, too, will that then be enough for you? K?

Greetings @rhondak

I have more than a year within this platform and since I am on it I have marveled at the freedom of expression and the opportunity to grow at our own pace, during all this time I have seen many things on the platform, from scammers and steals accounts which at some point I tried to denounce and ignored me to large humanitarian projects and support groups that I respect very much.

A few months ago I had the pleasure of meeting @crypto.piotr and so far has been one of the best people I have had the joy of knowing within the platform, he put his trust in me and support me without knowing much (that says a lot about a person) and from that moment I have seen all the good deeds he has done and the people he has helped.

I really respect your opinion about what @rhondak does inside the platform and the fact that you don't like it, but I think you've gone a little too far and you're treating it like a criminal who doesn't deserve to be part of steemit, I don't see why you've taken @crypto.piotr actions so hard and make such serious accusations with so many harmful users on the platform that do as they please without anyone doing anything about it, this seems more like a "tabloid news" that just wants to attract attention.

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He deserves to be part of Steem (you've been on the platform a year, so you should know the difference between Steem and Steemit now, so please use the appropriate reference) but does not deserve a free pass to spam our wallets and our comment threads.

Also this:

he put his trust in me and support me without knowing much (that says a lot about a person)

What it says is that they're either A) gullible as hell, or B) con artists who don't care. Whichever the case, they're not a person I wish to tangle with in any capacity. One should always learn who they're dealing with, especially when money is concerned. We filled a lot of leadership positions within the Steemhouse triangle recently. You think I didn't investigate thoroughly each and every person before we made them an offer? Anything less is negligence.

Bottom line is that the more of his drone army that surfaces displaying such complete misunderstanding of how this community works causes me to be more and more concerned. My instincts were spot-on. This is a problem brewing, and my heart goes out to all of you who've been led down a path of misinformation.

It makes me a little sad that you confuse goodness with credulity and that you see this platform only as a business, but good everyone has their own criteria, I hope you have an excellent day.

I'm a bit slack jawed by what I'm seeing here. On the one hand, a lioness fiercely protecting her community. On the other - crypto.piotr, a user who doesn't play by the established culture.

@crypto.piotr asked me to come here and take a look at this conversation, he also asked me to be respectful if I chose to say anything. Although he still sends me wallet messages, we have exchanged emails and this message he included to me in an email. So I thought it might be important to him - and here I am - mouth open and wondering - what do I say here, as someone who respects both users?

I understand your concerns @rhondak, in fact, I think @crypto.piotr does too, and as he says in most of his messages and several times here, he does curate his list and he won't waste steem sending messages to those who are not interested in what he is doing.

But is what he is doing wrong? I'm not so sure. Open to misinterpretation from the predominant culture, sure, but I think I can make a case here that hasn't been made yet, as someone who has seen the work of both. I hope so, because I don't see a lot of common ground in the other comments/responses - what follows is my experience and my opinion, and it's worth mentioning that beauty, spam, quality and, in the end our judgements of value, are subjective.

I discovered crypto.piotr a while back, while engaging in the @originalworks community. It is a huge, sponsored writing community that is interested in cryptocurrency and blogging, and they fit right in on steem. I remember when Piotr started testing different mechanisms for getting more people to comment on his articles. You know the real wallet spam, those resteem services? Yeah, he tried each one and did a write up about the results!. He started sending wallet messages because they work. In this very thread he has showed that he gets results, and the people on his 'wallet mailing list' stay on the list because they like to engage with him (or at least they like the dust!) He is also known to put huge steem bounties on Other People's articles to encourage discussion.

This topic reminds me of a great user, a friend of mine from Belgium, that HATES steemcleaners. When I asked him, out of ignorance, why he would hate such a 'fine, upstanding program', he said that they put him on their blacklist and he was flagged nearly out of existence, without discussion or reprisal, as a new user. He made it through, but with a bitter taste in his mouth. And a lesson that made me think twice about content regulation.

I'm not saying that you have to like him, but I do think that you should consider carefully the roots of ideas like - 'if you don't know the main players, you aren't a good steemian'. Yes he could be in a bubble, but couldn't we all be? In fact, there is a lot of drama on this site that I intentionally bubble out of my life :)

I am not a delegator to Piotr, but I did take notice when he delegated all of his SP to over 100 people (viewable on steemworld), and noticed too that others supported him in his effort by delegating to him. This is not dissimilar to what others at the Welcome Wagon do, as you mentioned. The existence of Welcome Wagon validates Piotrs actions, not the reverse. There is need for community leaders - we all know that! But in a decentralized community we are going to have many groups!

Here I will conclude - its already probably too long and I risk alienating anyone reading this far, but I want to say that you have every right to issue this warning, to your followers and your community. As you say, you don't know, but feel. I get that, its instinct! I just think that in this case there is a cultural difference, not a difference in values. We all really want the same thing, we're just going about it differently.

Great response, ecoinstant. I still, however, am very put off by the methods he uses. They’re impudent and inappropriate. Cultural difference, maybe. But Kaliju said it best: “he doesn’t respect other people’s space.” And now, according to what I’ve read in the comments here, he’s trained a whole posse of users to burden the nodes further by using wallet memos as an email service. Thank God for MIRA. Let’s just hope enough full nodes stand up now to handle that kind of drain on resources.

Which makes me wonder about RCs, and how many it takes to send a wallet memo....

Thank you for this (gentle) response! Of the technical side, I am ignorant, though I was under the impression that our blockchain was robust and under-capacity.

Along with taking all the advice in this article into consideration, I would encourage @crypto.piotr to address this concern, do the research, and publish the results! What are the costs in resource credit for wallet transfers? This is an interesting topic (perhaps related to micropayment for sending/receiving emails) that I think would make a good article.

Email 'spam' is currently the norm in modern marketing. An open rate of 1/100 is considered good in some newsletter communities. Once again, we on steem are on the forefront of cultural, community development - we are literally making culture (as I discussed in my most recent article about the steemit 'crisis'.) If we commit to respectful discourse about method, this disscussion may well turn out to be quite productive.

It could be quite productive, yes. Hence the reason for the post. I was just in discussion with a witness friend about the RC issue and wallet spam. This definitely needs to be looked at and addressed.

The Steem blockchain is indeed robust. But we’ve dropped nodes, and MIRA came about as a potential solution. Pied Piotr teaching a whole swarm of low RC users to abuse their wallet features is bad business. I think my concerns are valid.

Thanks for letting me know that this isn't a good idea. I honestly had no idea.

So then, what is the proper method to send a message to another user, outside of a particular thread?

Steem happens on Discord. That's where everyone congregates in various communities. It's free and doesn't tax blockchain resources. There's also Steemit Chat, which isn't as user friendly, but just as effective in most cases.

@rhondak
Thank you for the reply. Honestly, I had no idea Discord was that important. Yes, of course it's mentioned in the FAQ we all read when we're new, (or should read when we're new), but the importance isn't stressed, it's just sort of mentioned in passing.

Personally, I took a quick glance at it and went, "Oh god, another Flavor-Of-The-Month VOIP proggy, no bloody thank you" and dismissed it out of hand. I have seen so very many Voice Over IP programs come and go in the last 15-20 years.

OK, now that I understand the importance of Discord, I'll DL it and get it set up. Thanks again for letting me know.

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As a "leader" on this blockchain, it's The Pied Piotr's responsibility to make newbies aware of the best options. Instead, he's chosen to teach bad habits and encourage bad practices. You'll be stunned at the vibrant communities on Discord. PAL (MSP,) The Ramble, The Alliance, SOS, and so many other specialty groups where everything happens and everyone stays connected.

Don't forget @themarkymark's https://social.usesteem.com/

If hopping into a community Discord is not your thing, I think it would be a good place for general interactions.

It's new.

Oh, I'm very much on Discord. My community is there, along with The Alliance, Steem Alliance, SOS, The Ramble, Chibera, and all other twenty-six servers I'm in. LOL I have a long thread going with Malcolm Reynolds (Marky Mark) from way back and dropped this post link in there a couple days ago. ;-)

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Hello, @rhondak and all

In response to your post, with its potentially fear-mongering title, I must state for the record that @crypto.piotr is neither a scammer nor a poor strategist. And he’s definitely not anyone to fear.

At the very least, he’s a community builder whose prime concerns are the growth of the steemit platform and the steemit community.

In fact, I met @crypto.piotr about 2 months ago. Since then, we’ve had several pleasant face-to-face discussions, and each time, I come away impressed by his fine and noble vision for Steemit.

When Piotr first mentioned his “non-profit” project, I was naturally skeptical. However, after he gave me a brief explanation, my skepticism vanished, and I became an enthusiastic supporter and participant.

(I will not supply the details here, as my explanation would not do the project justice. If you’d like details, Piotr will surely tell you.)

As for your comment that he’s “become more aggressive,” I can honestly say that Piotr is not an aggressive person, by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, he’s quite calm, courteous, and even passive.

At the same time, he is proactive (which is markedly different from being “aggressive.”) And in fact, when he states politely – during your ongoing thread – that “I’m wondering if you would be interested in supporting my efforts,” that’s hardly being aggressive. It sounds more like a humble and polite query.

As for Piotr’s goals and targets, he states them clearly – building a community based “mostly on mutual engagement and support instead of financial rewards.”

That is one type of community that will help Steemit to grow and thrive. Focus on financial rewards is all fine and dandy, but without a thriving community and without steady production of high-quality content, the financial rewards will not come, or will not continue to come.

Granted, there are many vibrant communities on Steemit. However, that in no way means that anyone must limit himself to those already-established communities. On the other hand, the vibrancy of those communities can be a motivation to build more communities. The more vibrant communities, the strong Steemit will become.

As for myself, I am essentially a content-creator, and therefore do not spend much time curating or doing active community-building. And in fact, I tended to denigrate community builders, as it sometimes seems as if certain community builders are focused only on financial rewards.

The community builder @crypto.piotr corrected me. As he pointed out, it’s essential that we build a strong community – a vibrant community that creates high-quality content on a great platform. As evidenced by the first 2 years of Steemit’s growth, the financial rewards will follow.

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Hello @rhondak!
In exactness when I reflected deeply on your point of view and your reasons for coming out with full force to heat on @crypto.piotr, I saw good sense of formalness and accountability needing in them all. I saw someone who would need much more validity before diving in investing with resource in not just only his project but also in any other person's.

However, dear, to be honest, and in brevity, I am a Nigerian, but yet I have felt his goodness thousands of miles away for real through his humanitarian habitude, selflessness and/ or ever considerate philosophy. I am originally a fiction-nonfiction writer for your information, he influenced me successfully into the crypto world through THE COTTON contest he organised last season (...and trust me I was not picked one of the winners by the collective judges but he gave me another task that resorted him sending 10 steem then to encourage me to keep visiting this ecosystem). The sequelling activities were that we had one-on-one interactions on gmail and Telegram and ever since then and yet, I have not seen any dubious acts or intents in his course subjectively. He may be a bad strategist or even a spammer yes trust me, I am not urging you to try and send in your coin or whatever to assist his intent as if you do not hundreds of others are and would still do that in spite his impetuosity to try and do his part to heal lives and the world for goodness sake, if we could only have few more of him in the physical world of economy, this world would be unto another paradise on earth. One, where majority are fine enough and the rich minority are left with no choice but with the spontaneous urge to try and help under the guise of their principles without having to consider, actually the formal aspect of detailing intent for business or profit sake and all that as you are requiring.
He is one of the earth angels they speak of. You @rhondak are not bad either, I only see someone who is an instrumental realist or economist. Thanks!
Sincerely yours,
@jodekss

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Bunch of random people claimed to have met the said marketer lecturing a Witness about RC issues and bloating of the blockchain.

On a serious note, bots tend to spam a lot of wallets as well.

Quite an entertaining shitshow this has been. LOL!

Yes. I hate the bot spam just as much. But they don't usually tend to hijack a user's post and spam the comment thread with huge walls of text begging for delegations, all totally unrelated to the post content. When I saw that, it really set my teeth on edge. I was like...enough.

Hi @rhondak, there are very big difference between a spam and a scam.
Whatever @crypto.piotr is sending the memo can be deprecable from radical chic people like you, you can never put even a question mark on the word of scammer!
Please come to @steem-bounty community and see how many people Piotr helped including me!

I don't care how many people he's helped as long as he's still spamming the community. That's what I've been trying to tell all of you. He'd get a lot more support to help all of you if he'd stop doing that shit. People who might otherwise get involved and help are now pissed off because of the unrelentless unsolicited crap in their wallets and comment threads.

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Hi @rhondak

I just read through all the comments before me. The love and support given by many of the community members to @crypto.piotr speaks volume. I would agree and vouch for all the positive comments the community has made of him and hereby endorse them and adopt them as my own for the sake of brevity.

Mind you, there are many more out there who have not responded to this post, probably because they have not sighted it yet.

It is clear from the responses thus far that you have prejudged him without collating sufficient facts. That is prejudice!

He may have been pro-active and persuasive but I didn't find him aggressive. He did not send me a memo before I followed him. He did that only after I followed him. That, imho, doesn't make him a spammer. It is like sending a DM to your followers on Twitter. Since Steem does not provide for a DM, I take it that a memo should be the equivalent substitute. If I had told him not to send the memos he would have surely complied with my request. That I am sure.

I didn't find anything wrong in him expending his resources and energy in promoting other steemians, in competition with other communities offering similar resources. In fact, I found his methods far more effective than that of the other communities helping out new steemians.

I am one of those who is helping him out by delegating SP to deserving steemians. It was an informed decision on my part to do so, not a blind one. In fact, I am thinking of increasing the delegations!

Hello Dear @rhondak, I can understand your concern regarding the delegations requested by our friend @crypto.piotr, and is in all its right to deny or delegate its resources to whoever believes most convenient.

I also think that cataloging someone as a "scammer" only because they do not know what they are doing is not the right way to do things. The fact that a person does not belong to a community constituted and known, is not a reason to doubt the integrity of that person.

I also believe that the fact that blockchain is a "decentralized" technology gives you the freedom to undertake projects that are for the benefit of others or of yourself, that is what freedom is about, logically respecting the rights of other people.

A @crypto.piotr I have recently contacted him, specifically since last December so I do not know him but I have a good experience in this relationship of mutual collaboration. Paticipe in one of your delegation projects in which I won the option to receive 40SP along with another number of users, when my low RC did not allow me to work well and I am working with freedom thanks to 40sp delegates by @crypto.pior and 50sp of a delegation from our friend @thedarkhorse.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@crypto.piotr/delegating-up-to-1200-steem-power-to-curators-and-solid-bloggers

https://steemit.com/contest/@thedarkhorse/round-6-free-delegations-for-30-days-aved-to

it is also my knowledge that I am from venezuela and last Christmas the friend @crypto.piotr organized a crusade called SANTA VENEZUELA https://steemit.com/charity/@crypto.piotr/santa-and-piotr-visits-venezuela -join-us-today with the purpose of helping 8 Venezuelans who are in a similar situation managing to raise a quantity of steem of which I received 75 steem.

With all due respect, I understand your concern, but as far as I am concerned, I believe that this user has shown his intentions with help, until now we are participating in a community that although we do not have formality, we are supporting each other.

Blessings!

If he wants to be perceived as legit, he should conduct himself in a manner that does not involve spamming other users and alienating an entire community that could help him achieve his goals.

Maybe your strategy is not the most common but it does not mean that it is illegitimate.

I think the most sensible thing would be to close the discussion and avoid sending messages to the wallets of people who do not agree with that.

I also believe that you are in all your right to reject this type of action, if you perceive that there is risk in them.

There is something essential in human relationships and it is mutual respect.

Then he should respect the space of other users and stop invading their wallets and comment threads with unsolicited spam. This is a far more serious offense than your group of misguided users seems to realize.

PLEASE! YOU MUST CONSIDER ROLLING BACK SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS.

The people behind @crypto.piotr are REAL business personas and many with DIRECT business ties to REAL WORLD operations that want to move some of their activity onto crypto.

I believe you have hastenly mistaken some of the exploration into innovation as questionable. This is the nature of crypto.

OMG, when I was reading your comments, it sounded/felt like, people at Amazon and IBM who are trying to centralize blockchain. Yes, you seem like you are trying to promote centralization.

Please provide CONSTRUCTIVE criticism if you have not already and remove any reference that would leave even the slightest stain on respectable business persons (yes that is plural).

FOUR STRAIGHT WEEKS AT TOP THREE (AND OVERALL WINNER) OF @ORIGINALWORKS CONTESTS - (check, it is me- when my real world job allows)
If you wish to see my activity, I am active on Whaleshares with a core group of old Steemians that wish for Steem to regain its glory. I am looking forward to SMT. With my real job my time is limited, but Steem is part of my future. Please do not ruin it for us by driving away realWORLD businesses.

“Rolling back” comments? Uhmmm, no. He’s still a spammer. Hijacking other people’s posts for promotion has been frowned upon since Steem has existed. It’s bad form, bad manners, and bad business. And that’s just one item on my list of concerns.

Ever since I have known him he networks with people first. Crypto is hard enough without pushing real businesses out. I understand Steem wants to set a standard. I encourage it and have helped several efforts promote Steem (i.e. Steemjet and OriginalWorks among others). Unfortunately, your are missing the real world business and personal networking that is involved here.

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None of that matters. Why? Because his spammy behavior irritates and alienates so many platform leaders that he has zero chance of ever being a real influence here. I've spoken to quite a few top fifty and even top twenty witnesses over the last couple of days who have the same opinion of him as I do. But what sucks for all of you is that none of them see any real potential here, just another scammer who'll eventually go away on his own when he realizes he's reached his ceiling. And then all those delegators who fell for the shitty marketing ploys...well, at least they can undelegate.

I disagree.

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Hello @rhondak,

I am a bit out of the loop on the things that piotr is doing lately as I haven't had a whole bunch of time to devote to Steemit but I can tell you that he is genuine. He helped me very much along the way with several community based projects that he ran himself and put in his own money to help promote it and to pay the people who wrote for the competitions.
I've done 4 or 5 contests with him and he has promoted quality posts and projects that several other Steemians on here are working on.
Although the wallet memo's do get a little on the excessive side sometimes, the intentions behind the memo's is, in my opinion, whole hearted and beneficial. He has supported and promoted people in some difficult parts of the world financially and been doing so since I started interacting with him in June-ish of 2018. Sometimes it's hard to communicate to as many people as he does, so he does it in various ways. He emails me directly, sends me wallet memo's and I follow his group on Telegram and amongst all of those he gets the messages out that he wants. He wants to connect like-minded people on topics that interest themselves in. Point being, he wants to get his ideas and community spread and uses several methods to do so.

He has delegated about 2,500 SP that I am aware of for several weeks. He upvotes and spreads peoples posts to the group of various bloggers that know and work with him. He has done lots of work with the people in Venezuela over the holidays.

I think that a tip to @crypto.piotr is to create a separate project page to do this work. It will benefit us from having to defend him in ways like this if he is able to make a separate page to be more aligned to the way projects are run on here such as the various projects you highlight.

Through reading many of your comments, I don't know if it's even worth us defending him. You are quite adamant in your opinions and thoughts as to his negativity. How about you keep your thoughts to yourself regarding him? He is doing great work and has been for a long time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with multiple communities going at once.

He's genuine, all right--a genuine spammer. Godspeed to any effort being made to get out of our wallets and off our comment threads. Then the whole colony can exist in separatist utopia until the end of time and everybody will be happy.

You seem to be the only one that’s hating of community and outreach by the look and sound of all your comments here. Take another look at your position, is my recommendation.

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Wrong. Discussions with the people who disapprove of Piotr's methods are hot and heavy in other venues. Most people won't bother tangling with this kind of ignorance in a comment thread. They just figure out how to end it.

But occasionally I get bored and pick a fight. The up side? I've drawn all this to the surface and exposed it. And the reviews aren't favorable among those in a position to do something about it.

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@crypto.piotr was the first user to start a conversation out of Steem. He has initiated the disclosure by memos because we have many types of posts that try to bring the best posts on a certain subject, he in turn, does this using the memos.
Unlike bots, it usually has a link with a post that is not from it, but from a steem user who is not very well known and has little SP. I myself have already had the pleasure of commenting and starting healthy discussions on more than five posts he had sent me by memo.
Unlike curatorial posts that try to bring in some excellent post links to be able to discuss about, which do not usually get many comments, the posts that are sent by @crypto.piotr have more than one hundred comments that add a lot of value to the post. I was one of those people that @crypto.piotr made the disclosure, and I did not have to delegate anything to his project.
So I can state categorically that @crypto.piotr is doing an excellent service of adding value in the community through the usually weekly disclosures that it makes in memos rather than trying to post with the top 10 best posts of the week that do not normally bring much flow of people to them.
Finally, @crypto.piotr is getting people to become active and add value to the platform by creating a community of redfishes and minnows that are active and aware that steem is a platform for communication and interaction between people.

You’re trying to justify spam. And that’s a sad reflection on this “community” Pied Piotr is supposedly building.

You can say that is a spam, if and only if, you cannot opt out his messages, which is not true.
If you ask to him not to send you more spamming memos, you won't receive more.
That is the best practices for digital marketing.
Why sad? That is kind of vague.

If you think spamming is the best marketing, friend, that’s not just sad. It’s scary. Users should never have to “opt out” of unsolicited, annoying-as-hell wallet and comment spam. Jesus. People who think like that are what’s wrong with this platform.

First, I not saying that spamming is the best marketing, if you read more carefully my comments you will understand what I said.
Second, for many people the memos isn't annoying at all, so this is a thing that each people thinks different.
Third, now you are saying that I am one of the problem of the platform because my way of thinking?

If you think people aren’t complaining about Piotr’s spamming, you are out of touch. Badly out of touch. He is the subject of as much negative conversation as Trump. Almost every top 50 witness I approached about this issue has heard of him and despises what he’s doing with the spam. So you folks stay in your bubble and keep bullshitting yourselves about this. Either your community will eventually get flagged into dust by a whale who finally gets sick of it, or a clever hardfork will take care of the spam once and for all.

Well @rhondak I do not understand very well what is the desire to harm users who have wanted to help others. The problem is that he does not have an established community? Well, there is no rule in this platform that requires establishing a community to help someone else. Who does not want to receive their messages on the wallet because they ask and stop crying in the communities of discrod and questioning the intentions of some users. I am one of those who have received help from @ crypto.piotr and I am pleased with that, because very large communities only help their "little group" and want to make themselves look like they are helping a lot of people and they are pure garbage, in fact, Many of us have learned in this platform that the communities are only good for their small group and that the rest of us are only making it up for them to have a supposedly very large community. Now trying to scam @ crypto.piotr is disrespectful. I think you should investigate a little more before posting something as degrading as this, that it could even fall into a whaling war. Think about it.

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I just wanted to clarify one egregious point of yours. @crypto.piotr is NOT "helping himself only." In fact, he's working to build a strong, vibrant, and long-lived community that produces high-quality content.

And he's NOT "one helluva annoying salesman." Actually, the last time we met (last Sunday), I told him that, in a way, he seemed like a good salesman. I emphasized that adjective "good," because he was the kind of salesman that I would listen to and whose client I would gladly become. (And believe me, I HATE most salesmen, too.)

With Piotr, there was no sweet-talking, no exaggeration, no BS. Just an excellent, solid presentation of facts that convinced me that his project was well worth supporting and well worth getting involved in.

Let @rhondak take these words to the bank and cash some money.

Actually, I'd much rather invest more in the platform than I take out, so it will be sustainable over the long term. Are those the ethics that Pied Piotr is teaching all of you? Or is he just teaching you to bully and take and be parasites on the platform? My guess is just that.

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This jives with my impression perfectly.