Er...no we're not
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- Japanese researchers have mapped vast reserves of rare earth elements in deep-sea mud, enough to feed global demand on a “semi-infinite basis,”
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The deposit, found within Japan’s exclusive economic zone waters, contains more than 16 million tons of the elements needed to build high-tech products ranging from mobile phones to electric vehicles
This might come as a surprise to some of you but there is a LOT of mud in the ocean.
Even more surprising....it's not all located near Japan.
Doesn't prove your point. Yes, we DO have a nonsustainability problem. We DO have a waters rising problem. We DO have a global warming / climate change problem. We ARE consuming crude oil and minerals that will never be replaced, making things that will have to be landfilled somewhere.
I'm not saying that the particulars aren't debatable. What I am saying is that humanity does face a "sustainability challenge" and that denial of this only delays the day that humanity grows up and does the responsible, unselfish thing: Learn how to poop into the toilet rather than in our collective diaper (the Earth).
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no we don't and we never have.
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You might be right. OTOH, you might be wrong. I think that the truth is in the middle, somewhere between the doomsday predictions and those of those who are in denial.
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You might be right. OTOH, you might be wrong. I think that the truth is in the middle, somewhere between the doomsday predictions and those of those who are in denial.
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we DO have a nonsustainability problem.
Nope...we (humans) ran out of firewood, we switched to coal..ran out of coal..switched to oil..ran low on oil...invented nukes....
That's typical...we run low on something we invent a whole new industry to replace it.
We DO have a waters rising problem.
Nope...for one thing...how do you differentiate between the land sinking and the water rising?
for another thing NASA said the sea level is no longer rising.
for a third thing even when it was it was only a couple of blond pubic hair widths every decade.
We DO have a global warming / climate change problem
Nope..the oceans are getting warmer...BUT the winters on land are getting cooler.
what's warming the ocean?
Climate is constantly changing..always has..
We ARE consuming crude oil and minerals that will never be replaced
Nope...crude oil replaces it self. Oddly enough it's NOT dinosaur farts...it's made by a natural chemical process relatively deep in the earths crust.,
making things that will have to be landfilled somewhere
Nope..one man's trash is another's treasure..they are already 'mining' landfills for natural gas..
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But you're making a fatal mistake. At the rate that people are being dumbed down into sheeple, pretty soon humanity will be scratching their heads trying to figure out what "critical thinking" means. And one nuclear exchange could set us back who knows how far. (That might solve the sustainability problem but at a horrible cost in unimaginable suffering.)
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there IS no sustainability problem.
its a fiction of the lefties.
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Hey, you're encroaching on MY turf. I'm the one who is always right.
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fun fact.
Russia's GNP is less (by quite a bit) than California's
So why are we so afraid of the russian bear when the californian bear is bigger?
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Because the California bear is queer.
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that explains everything.
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I can tell that at any moment you are going to see the light. I can see it in your eyes. Just a tiny speck of doubt. A tiny little voice saying, "Maybe he's right. Maybe he's right."
The point is that neither of us know anything for sure. What we do know is that there is danger in being wrong, either way, but that being wrong one way is far more dangerous in that it is just possible that we could trigger some cataclysm that kills billions of people. IOW, we are literally playing with fire, with climate change, just as we are playing with fire with nuclear arsenals and proliferation.
Since there is risk, there is duty. It is irresponsible to not be considering the "what if" possibilities and making responsible, sustainability oriented conservative policy decisions.
We just don't know. So we should admit all possibilities and use "loss function" analysis to make policy decisions.
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but I DO know.
it came to me in a dream.
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Not fair. Not fair at all. You held your four aces until NOW? How can I argue against such authority? You've traumatized me. Now, whenever I debate with you, I will be totally stressed out just waiting for the "dream ax" to fall.
Perhaps I will recover from this by morning. Good night, my interesting new retired trucker acquaintance. (I'd say friend, but I don't want to presume anything.)
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By the beginning of 2015: "Despite having only 35% of the world's reserves, China accounted for 95% of the world's production of rare earths, and countries such as the United States or Japan, large consumers of these elements, depended mainly on China to stock up. In fact, given the expected increase in this demand, several countries began to consider the possibility of extracting these oxides, often under the protests of organizations defending the environment, to prevent China from controlling the world price of what no one else doubt that it is the input of the future. "
http://www.vidasostenible.org/informes/tierras-raras-elevados-danos-ambientales-ocasionados-por-la-fabricacion-tecnologica/
What we are observing right now in 2018, should be the result, in part, of the studies carried out by Japan and probably the United States, to look for supply alternatives.
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could be.
there's not ONLY the ocean
there are asteroids. (space)
no telling what riches they have.
preliminary steps (by private enterprise) are being taken right now to mine them
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I did not know it.
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Keep it up
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Antarctica is the clue to save all humanity
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endless supply of ice cubes for lemonade and martinis..
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whats under neath is pure treasure of resources
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how do you know?
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start with admiral byrd antarctica ;)
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he's dead.
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google is your friend in need :)
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google lies.
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it's a matter of the cost of extraction, you can extract gold and other elements from seawater but it is very energy intensive and thus not cost effective at this time. But if the prices of precious metals were significantly higher then it would make sense to extract deep sea mud or refine commodities from seawater. A better question than where we will get enough rare earth elements is where will we get enough phosphorous?
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extraction costs are dependent on the technology used.
recently there have been some VERY interesting advances made in 'filter' technology.
soon perhaps, coming to a bayou near you, sea water extraction of any element you chose...cheaper than dirt.
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That's always the key factor. There is gold all over the place but it is not really cost effective to extract it in most places. They would have to be able to do it as cheap as the guys in Alaska. It's too bad you don't watch TV there are some great shows about gold mining.
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where will we get enough phosphorous
Bat Shit
fun fact..there are more bats living in Austin Texas than there are people.
there MIGHT be more bats living in the USA than there are people too.
NOT a scarce resource..
(collection is rather tricky...perhaps an inflight removable diaper collected by drones needs to be invented?)
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There is not enough natural manure to provide as much phosphorous as we mine, even including humanure. Most of the large guano deposits have been mined out, there were war fought over it.
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We've got nothing left !
😂😂😂
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fun fact...if the earth were an apple..the atmosphere would be the same depth as a film of moisture onit.
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Yeah, I was trying to find a graphic highlighting this very point, but couldn't be arsed searching for too long...
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I've noticed that google isn't being very helpful lately if you ask a politically incorrect question.
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I noticed that while back - a few weeks.
They make you work for your information...
Of course the lefties thinks that's a deterrent - they can't possibly imagine people choosing to work, rather than give up!
lmao
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I wonder of duck-duck-go (stupid name) uses Googles search algorithm, minus the tracking function?
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Duckduckgo does indeed use Google's results. Two other ways to locate information:
(1) Microsoft's Bing.com (better video search, among others)
[Bing] http://bing.com
[Google's deep-pocketed competitor never went away]
(2) Russian search engine Yandex.com (English interface), Yandex.ru (Russian interface)
[Yandex] http://Yandex.com
[Yandex] http://Yandex.ru
[Don't be afraid of the Russian bogeymen]
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ah...BING - Oh...
(sorry about that)
Yandex might be nice too.
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I'm not finding the english default setting.
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no idea mate. I use duck a something nowadays...
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This is just plan common sense. Don't use it to much as I fear most will think you an alien. LOL
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