So ultimately the only thing that SMTs do is make innumerable niche communities that aim at "excluding" those who abuse, which creates a whole slew of problems, such as raping the reward pool without all that competition.
RE: DLive is joining the Lino blockchain, moving away from Steem
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It depends on how you want to view raping the reward pool? Since self-voting is not prohibit there can't be such a thing like raping the reward pool. Who ever has Steempower is allowed to do with it what he wants, thats the beauty of decentralization. Otherwise if we prohibit it we have a problem with centralization. Ether way its better to view self-voting not as raping its more like unsocial behavior which is pretty common nowadays in all kinds of businesses.
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The problem with "the code allows it" is that you evade the responsibility to speak up against injustices and the dilemma is clearly that who remain are those who don't care and those that condone the abuse. Clearly every stakeholder has a responsibility to condemn abuse or outright stop it with their stake, or do you really think that the consequences won't proliferate into an atmosphere completely against community?
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Well I agree to your argument but I can also understand that not every Steem user is a content creator, developer or witness. Most people you upvote them self are purely investors and they like to see ROI. In order to be able to create income for them they have to hold on to their large Steempower which is a good thing. I hear many users complaining about the price of steem...and thats why we need more investors on the platform who are willing to increase their steempower. This platform also can't survive just by content creators who keep on selling their earned Steems to the market. We need to make everybody happy here on Steem...content creators, developers, witnesses and Investors.
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The ROI is Curation rewards, that's what the structure is designed as. If people don't hold Steem they are forced to stop interacting with the community. If investors want an ROI, they have a duty to use their stake for the benefit of everyone, more or less, any other behavior will only disadvantage the community which will lead to a worthless token. You cannot evade that inconvenient fact, if you are an investor and don't use your stake then it's only speculation and ultimately you will exit the market, so any such investors will devalue the token.
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Yes, I really can understand your point and it is the investors responsibility to do the best for this platform in order to make it a success. But still in my opinion it ultimatley comes down to why did Dan Larimer implemented self-voting? I'm not quite sure about that but as long the users can use that method they probably will. So who you wanna blame for this situation the investor who is using his tools or the Developer who created it? I'm personaly not a fan of self-voting I only do it for my own posts which I want to be seen. But I also delegate half of my SP to bots and the other half I use for curation. I might be a "small" investor but still I using some of the ROI tools that Steem offers and thats also part of it why I think Steem is great for generating passive income.
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He implemented "self-voting" because it makes it really easy to spot abuse, otherwise people would have alt accounts which they would vote with. The same reason why he implemented a logarithmic curve, so it dissuades people from splitting up their stake and make it seem as if they've acquired a following when it's only a bunch of their alts self-voting.
The blame isn't on who makes the rifles, ever. The blame is always on who uses the rifles for evil.
On that point let's consider exactly how you care about your investment apart from the ecosystem which gives your investment value when you use your investment to figuratively shot yourself in the foot. This passive income comes with a price you are happy others are paying for, by directly devaluing the function of Curation and then by enriching others who have the same short sighted mentally like yourself. It's probably falling on deaf ears so I'll leave it at this: your passive income only works because others still value curation, otherwise were everyone to do as you, there would quickly be no reason to invest in a pyramid ponzi scheme.
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Lol, I just said that I'm not posting with the reason of self-voting or whatever. If you look at my posts I do deliver quality but if you just wanna bash me thats fine...I don't care. I'm involved even in a local steem meetup group so don't blame me for the things that others are abusing this System. I'm just saying that users like hajin who really don't vote for others are only looking for short term ROI and they still can do it. So Steem should think about some kind of system where even guys like him can get their needs satisfied without posting garbage. But only complain about this people and try to talk moraly wont help anybody here. We need working systems were everybody ia happy and fits into his role.
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Making everyone happy will lead to making most miserable. Ultimately some derive happiness from others misery, how many are you willing to make miserable to appease them?
If you think I bashed you for vote selling because you're not "all bad" you missed the point. I don't care how much you post and if you don't self vote, if you use your stake to the detriment of the majority, or by selling votes through a proxy, then why should I approve that?
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I don't think you understand how the reward pool works.
It is an 'un-rape-able' delegated proof of stake mechanism.
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I understand exactly how it works, that's why the whitepaper talks about the exact abuse you seem to not understand. Do you think there will be any point to the reward pool if everyone copied the formulaic approach haijin and many others maintain? It's obviously no mental mastery involved to conclude definitely that you hardly considered such a basic logical exercise. I've beat people over the head with that yet the denial of reality is so great that they think they can twist it around, the reward pool is un-rape-able, why don't you explain what you think I meant when I and a multitude of long time users talk about abuse and raping the reward pool, then I'll beat you over the head with some more basic thought exercises.
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