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justineh (71) · 5 years ago

Fair enough. I just had some questions about your reasoning.

Is your focus on those who “buy” sbi shares for others, otherwise known as buying them a vote? I’ve tried to catch up over comments and posts, but it’s a lot of dis fragmented information. You recently removed a witness vote for the c-squared curation group, and I was told it was for voting the open letter video about the downvoting.. made me curious what was going on so came to look.. and well, it left me with more questions.

It seems every time you try to speak, individuals respond in ways that make it hard to have a conversation, so I thought I would see if you were on any chat apps, but am ok with public comments too and respect that actually quite a bit.

Anywho, comment if you like.. or find me on Steem.chat @justineh

Have a good day.

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mmmmkkkk311 (63) · 5 years ago

justineh (71) · 5 years ago

Do you manually downvote based on the vote amount they received or just full throttle?

I won’t argue with you about c-squared supporting “oldsteem” as we were “newsteem” from the day we were formed.. didn’t even need a hardfork to make us act in the best interest of the platform. If you knew anything about the project, that would be abundantly clear. But quite frankly you can vote for whatever witnesses you want, I won’t argue with that part and we don’t really campaign for votes anyways - I was just curious your reasoning.

I don’t disagree with downvoting those buying votes, no matter what they call it, I would say that downvoting a post that received a 7cent vote for something over and above 7cents seems quite harsh though. Most of these votes are done away by the curve anyways.

Anyways, thanks for the explanation.. I was just curious your reasoning. I appreciate you taking the time to explain it.

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mmmmkkkk311 (63) · 5 years ago

justineh (71) · 5 years ago (edited)

I am one of the co founders, yes.

We won’t be removing any votes unless the content is plagiarism, etc.

C-squared is a crowd sourced community curation group. Content is brought in by the community and reviewed by other community curators with a “voter” role. Admin oversees and doubles checks all votes for plagiarism, spam or abuse. It requires at least two sets of eyes to deem it worthy of additional support in this case. The project did nothing wrong in voting said content in my opinion, whether I “agree” with the content or not.. the community found value in it, so it received support.

You say it’s a controversial vote, how so? Was the post abusive, spam or plagiarism? Was the vote not cast after manual review? Or do you say so just because content you did not agree with?

I appreciate you supporting manual curation, and actually somewhat agree with your overall goal here to stop vote buying, whether I agree with your tact or not.. but I won’t be removing votes, as there is nothing wrong with the content and we don’t do trades for witness votes, heck we don’t even campaign to get votes. That’s just not how we do things.

We manually curate, that’s it.. and our numbers and track record speaks for itself.

If you want to support that, awesome.. if you don’t, we understand that too.

But no deals will be made.

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mmmmkkkk311 (63) · 5 years ago

justineh (71) · 5 years ago (edited)

I can understand as it was a personal letter to you. I wasn’t the one who voted it, but did read it.. to me it read as more a personal plea for you to reconsider your actions. I did not see any “attacks” honestly. I don’t think it was done in the most constructive way, but hey we are all emotional humans beings and sometimes we don’t communicate in the most constructive ways.

As an outsider here I’ll say I think your mission is good, but seems a bit miscalculated. Perhaps a discussion with some cool heads about the sbi project would be a good start to ensuring your concerns are heard, as I think most here are onboard with “newsteem” and want to see improvements.

Didn’t mean to butt in this much to be honest, I was just curious of your reasoning.. but those are my thoughts anyways.

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mmmmkkkk311 (63) · 5 years ago (edited)

tristancarax (66) · 5 years ago (edited)

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justineh (71) · 5 years ago

Why would you respond to his comment to me? Take your rage elsewhere, perhaps your own post or comments. Pretty sure individuals are still allowed to comment on this platform.. if you don’t like it, use those downvotes bro 🙂

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tristancarax (66) · 5 years ago (edited)

Rage isn't quite the right word but I do see your point. I'll agree that I am pissed. This dude steps on people like me because he has money and doesn't care about others, only himself. This type of stuff has never sat well with me and I do speak up and out against it, even if he continues to take the pennies I earn for the hours of work I usually have put into a post, beside a freewrite where the whole point is to do the best you can in x amount of time but even those may take an hour or more.

He keeps hoping around and if/when he does speak to people, his story keeps changing slightly. Very fishy. I've been around people like this before and they are a drain on society.

Not gonna use a down vote. Why would I? I seek peace not this continued war the dude has made against an entire community for receiving pennies.

Maybe, quite possibly/probably, my tacked is a bit off. I'll sit back and learn but if he goes on some bs, I'll find it in his own comments where he stated otherwise and post it here.

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justineh (71) · 5 years ago

I understand your frustration completely and believe it’s one of the hurdles of a shared inflation pool, and a complete misunderstanding of how it works by most users.

It’s like we are all playing in one sandbox, with different goals etc.

I came here to ask a question, as while I fully support using ones stake to allocate that shared inflation to what they see adds value (or reallocating in the case of downvotes), I generally like to know the why. Why gives a possible avenue for a solution that benefits all.

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tristancarax (66) · 5 years ago (edited)

I must leave a comment about what he has stated.

All my downvotes are manual and goes to "sponsors" who are trying to get in the ring new members and increase own ranking in the circle.

"All" his downvotes manual and only going after sponsors ... 😂😂😂 Please, go look at the different threads and you will find people who never sponsored anyone. They received the share because someone somewhere valued their work at wanted to give them something.

New members ... Yeah, I admit. A couple may have received their very first share. As for the rest, the list of people were from the comments they themselves left on his four posts prior to me releasing "Steem N' Roses." Other where from the upvotes these people either left manually or have set to auto upvote someone they trust and follow.

Or they are members of whom I know have SBI shares who have been visiously attacked by this person.

As for the other 60 he left out, they all own shares and the list was given to me by @josephsavage, the discussion can be found within "Steem N' Roses."

My point is that I pulled in close to no new members.

They know how to avoid downvotes but they keep sending STEEM to steembasicincome account, their choice

Sounds like a threat to me.

Now, tristancarax spent 200 STEEM for vote buying and wrote a post about it, c-squared upvoted his post. I don't want to have anything to do with witnesses who are supporting

260 people. Geeze! And more still to come. Guilty as charged.

Oh, my God! Those people that got 1 whole extra share will get a whole whopping 0.003, maybe less - I'm not sure how it calculates. I'm pretty sure it isn't enough to completely destroy his piggy bank. I could be wrong. 😀

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tristancarax (66) · 5 years ago

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@justineh, thanks for your kind response. This helps me feel like I'm being heard. Thanks again.

@mariuszkarowski - a.k.a. @mmmmkkkk311 - isn't considering the above at all. He is simply attacking people who are bringing value to the platform because he doesn't like the program and thinks what he thinks is correct without giving any evidence to back up what he says and without learning about it (you can scroll through the feeds yourself to see if I'm telling you the truth or not).

I'm a homeless person who makes cents on the hours of work I may put into a post. This is not what I'm worth; I'm worth so much more but I'm willing to work for little at this current time because I love this place and what it has done for me. I have a community that I belong to. This is so not normal for me in my everyday life. My writing has improved and I continue to strive to improve, not only because of the above pic, but also because I do get support from you over at @c-squared and a few others from time to time - which makes my DAY! - From what I've noticed, you guys don't support those who fit into the above pic. either. - No other platform that I've been on has been so supportive.

It sickens a lot of us to see greedy people like @mariuszkarowski - a.k.a. @mmmmkkkk311 - destroying this place. However, because most of us are poor, our voices are not heard and/or listened too (this comes after being here consistently for about two years now and sitting back and reading, as I'm usually not prone to just open my mouth because I want to hear myself talk).

I do hope you will continue to support creative people, like myself, who bring so much to this platform and get paid nothing in compared to what they are actually worth instead of cowing down to some greedy _______ (insert word of choice) who has a lot of money behind him. The platform can survive without greedy people but it can't survive without content creators who bring the best work they can day in and day out to this platform.

One more thing: @mariuszkarowski - a.k.a. @mmmmkkkk311 - was a bid-bot owner. Let's ask him if there was any critira to be met in order to get an many upvotes, which may or may not have bee a profitable ROI. My guess, after having used them but a couple times in the past, NO would be the answer. If it was yes, then we would need to delve in further about why he hates @sbi so much and why he isn't willing to look at the facts and make an informed decision from the facts instead of giving us only what he thinks (which is only an opinion) about what he thinks he sees going on.

Thanks for your attention in this matter.

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justineh (71) · 5 years ago

C-squared has, and always will, support content brought in by the community as long as it doesn’t go against our rules (spam or plagiarism). We have never, and will never, change our voting based on what a large account wants us to do.. we are fully non profit and are made of volunteers.. there is no reason for us to play politics and we don’t. We just curate 🙂

My comments outside of the one above are solely just me speaking though, and not on behalf of c-squared.. just want to make that clear.

To me quite frankly this seems like just miscommunication. You have a stake holder who wants to stop all voting buying and trading, and by the technical definition- that is what sbi is. That could be said about many “communities” that offer upvotes just for being members (and sometimes delegating) though too. It’s one of those “pick your battles” cases imo.. is the community or project adding value and helping to ensure those votes are not going to abuse? If so.. not sure it’s really worth going after tbh. But quite frankly, he’s not wrong that it is in fact vote buying at its core - I would just question if it’s actually done in a negative way.

Anyways, I hope you continue being a part of the community and sharing your content. Try not to focus so much on one individuals downvotes and rather focus on the engagement and interactions you enjoy. I’ve found normally these things are short term and work themselves out (especially when they aren’t blown up into a bigger deal).

Sorry I butted in, just the witness being removed is something I saw on our system and made me come look, then I got curious what was going on.

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