Should the act of taking "creep shots" of people be ostracized / condemned?
(Think condemn may be too strong a term so it has been edited.)
Before I get into a diatribe about whether I am for the affirmative or negative about the issue of creepshots, I wanted to get an idea on the consensus here.
Perhaps, this may not be such an issue on legacy social media because I would suspect the likelihood of this sort of thing being incentivized was much less.
It was one thing when these pictures would just end up in some person's fap bank (sorry for the imagery but you know it's true) but it's another matter when the content is able to be monetized.
On such traditional platforms, there is policy that governs and explicit policy can be made to prohibit whatever practice by those with authority.
However, on Steem, it is we the people, or rather stakeholders, that govern and assess what is right and what is wrong. Is it something we approach as a responsibility or take flippantly. Of course, it's my subjective opinion that this is something we should be careful in evaluating. It's issue for our minds to get caught in the bubble and not consider secondary, tertiary effects and so on.
Whatever gravity we assign to certain issues is determined via consensus and not my views exclusively. That being said and having expressed that I don't want my words to influence the impact of the poll. I will now close this one out and leave it in the hands of the community.
Please, tell me how you feel. Meaningful comments will be boosted with SFR credits irrespective of the position.
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I feel that it should be looked at like this...would you want someone taking photos of your sister, girlfriend, etc like that? I agree with your statement that we're responsible for the Steem community, and to be honest, thankfully I haven't seen anything 'creepy' or 'lewd' like this. I would hope it'd get down voted and/or the person who posted get called out for being a perv'
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Well have I got a story for you.
::whispers:: It's in my comments 😉
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It would be helpful if you explain what it is and use a link we can click on!
I can only see a part of the link on my mobile phone and not copy it into a browser.
By writing this you already influenced you writers and it does not make it better to say you are not.
No matter what photo made of people I think people are always private and have to give their explicit permission. I doubt you can fight it here and by now we all know governments and Facebook etc use different standards too. Victims of group rapes have to shut up but the criminals are allowed to show it all to the public.
I do not believe in the government or some top and those ruling on Steem are not trust able at all. They only do what benefits them most.
Enjoy your weekend.
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See my comments and you'll know the content that started this. The image in the poll was just one already circulating the internet. This one was published on chain and I don't want it to spread. One of them has been properly flagged but think another remains. Very sleazy stuff in my opinion. Thanks for the comment!
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@anthonyadavisii You are welcome.
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It violates personal rights and should therefore not be tolerated.
I would downgrade such content.
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Of course people have the freedom to post what they like on Steem and the community gets to decide if it approves of their rewards. We already have porn and arguments can rage about the validity of that, but taking pictures of this sort without permission is just creepy and should not be encouraged.
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In korea it is illegal, especially if you share online. It is considered sexual harassment and in asion of privacy, particularly if the object can. e identified.
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No. If you don't like being the subject of creep shots, stay in your house. I understand why it's morally wrong and I agree it's stupid. But when you start drawing red lines based on your ethics and your personal taste, then someone will come and draw line a bit more back. Etc, etc. And soon you will either be hailing Hitler of getting into jail for using the wrong made up pronoun.
I am talking generally of course. As you said in steem it's a totally different thing. Stakeholders decide.
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All the good ol' slippery slope argument. That's can go both ways.
First, you're normalizing (and in your case encouraging)one type of behavior and next thing you know you're making pseudo intellectual
drivelarguments as to why white people can't wear corn rows or that pedaphilia is OK.You're lost in a sea of moral relativity but thanks for the comment.
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Not lost at all. My morals are my morals, as I get older some change as i see more of the world, but at any given point I know what they are. But they are my morals and I don't try to force them on other people. Laws do that, and I am just glad that my country still is somewhat of democracy.
For the rest I'll abstain, if there is one thing I have learnt in my life is that internet debates are a huge waste of time and usually leas nowhere 😂
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We see things differently is all. I don't assent postmodern bullshit but my morality is something static for the most part.
I reckon our worldviews have a different basis hence the conflict. I don't use force but I absolutely will try to prick a man's conscience.
I won't coddle perspectives that denigrate the dignity of persons and their value which I believe is inherent. It's about respect. Where you see no fault. I see transgression..
That's basically the crux. Again sorry to fly off the handle as I could have been more charitable. You knew the right button to press and caused my weakness to show. (wrath / anger)
We all have our faults. Have a good weekend
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I think ostracism is all about democracy.
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That argument is in the same vein as "If she didn't want to get raped, shouldn't have worn the skimpy dress."
You understand that, right?
"If she didn't want to have her dignity and / or privacy violated, should not have gone outside."
I mean you do see this, right? Sorry for being snarky but your form of argumentation makes my head hurt.
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You compare a rape to a creep shot. You are pretty much the same with all those crazy feminazis and sjws claiming they have PTSD because somebody said a mean word or used the wrong pronoun.
But yeah, I agree. My form of argumentation is faulty.
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He compares the "reasoning" behind rape with the reasoning behind your "if you don't want creepshots".
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Yeah I get that. The thing is creep shooting is legal, since taking photos in public is legal. If you really don't want to get creep shot there is only one thing you can do. Stay out of public sight and in your house. :)I guess I could have worded it differently to make that more clear but it's too late now
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No one said that this is about violating people's rights at all, hence ostracism not a petition for more laws, so it isn't about stoping creepshoting, maybe that cleared the confusion. I think it very hard to object to ostracizing creepshoting, which is the position you took arguing that ostracizing such behavior will lead to more and more "lines in the sand".
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Well I have the belief, which may well be wrong, that when somebody tries to rally up people to flag the shit out of a certain behavior here on steem, they would do the equivalent in real life if they had enough power. And by equivalent I mean turning it illegal. This is why my response wasn't talking exclusively about steem but was more generic. I think I clarified that in one of my comments.
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To further elaborate this part. What you do on steem pretty much reflects what you would do in real life or what you would do if you had sufficient power. So tomayto tomahto.
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Might doesn't make right but it takes courage to call out what's wrong.
You lack the latter. (or perhaps it's just sycophantry)
I think we can see your comments to evaluate that.
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I consider this to be a violation of personal rights and should not be tolerated.
Taking photos or videos without asking the people who appear in them for permission should be (or is?) a criminal offence.
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Depends on the jurisdiction but, if in public, it is not. I'm not really so much for criminal charges but I definitely think they should face social consequences.
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We have to live with the fact that everybody has now a camera in his phone.
If somebody exposes him/herself in public, it is his good right but he/she has to accept the consequences.
Of course such pictures should not be shared on the www. But to criminalize and prevent creepshots, it would require drastic censorship. We would end up in an internet dictatorship like we have in China. And where would it stop? First "only" creepshots, next time free speech (free speech is already in danger, as certain elites are defining what is still free speech, and what is hate speech).
What would be in Steem an acceptable way is to use the downvote pool to penalize such attempts. I would not go further. Let us Steem continue to be censorship-free.
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Although I am not much very smart on these matters, I believe that creep shots are not very nice.
Then again, we each can show our positions by flagging and not voting the creep shots and muting those that monetize them on each of our accounts. I don't believe this needs to be part of the next hardfork!
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Maybe it's an individual taste thing, as it's a photo being taken in a public place. But on the one extreme, I don't think anyone would want to see it at the top of trending. I would consider it personally the behavior I would not want to promote or incentivize on the platform, so I would downvote it.
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Great, been engaging like a mofo. I would love to see statistics as the changes seem rather arbitrary. @holger80 how ya been buddy? Still kicking? I mean the human side of you... not the automated. Maybe you'll see this. Maybe you wont.
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My UA rank dropped? It maka no sense. Guess I shouldn't have complained to scipio about this system being exploited.
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TIL what creepshots are.
LOL I can’t believe they even sell books like this: https://www.amazon.com/How-Take-Creepshots-Basics-Creep-ebook/dp/B073VNY7MB
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