dPoll can now vote using Steem Keychain

eonwarped (68) · 6 years ago (edited)

dPoll can now vote using Steem Keychain

See this post for details, but you can basically use the "vote with keychain button".

Some tips from @happyme:

Click on the check-box(s) next to your choices BEFORE clicking to log in and vote.

Do NOT put the @ symbol in front of your username when entering your Steem account name.

How to use dPoll without needing to trust Steemconnect with active key

Add posting authority to dpoll.xyz using any means (cli wallet, etc). Steem keychain has the ability, and I've set up an example site here with the ability to do so:
Use this link to log into dpoll.xyz to log into steemconnect using your posting key. This will allow you to select your user in subsequent logins.
Use dpoll normally (may ask one more time to get comment scope)
If you wish, use the same mechanism as step (1) to revoke posting auth afterwards.

How to use dPoll temporarily with active key

Use steemconnect, vote, and then change ALL keys.

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5 votes

freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

Is sc not open source?

Isn't trusting keychain the same as trusting steemconnect?

I've got more.

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eonwarped (68) · 6 years ago

Yes it is, but different people are at different places when it comes to what they trust.

freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

Does steemconnect have my active key?

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eonwarped (68) · 6 years ago

No. In theory (auditable) it's all browser side where you sign the transactions. Steemconnect servers won't see it.

freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

That is what I was told when I got here, but I don't code.
So, this flap is over nothing?

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eonwarped (68) · 6 years ago

Yes and no. I suppose some people just haven't decided to trust steemconnect yet, or are worried about phishing (which just is a matter of either using a password manager or paying attention to the URL I suppose)

2 votes

llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

If you want to revoke your permissions, after voting, please follow the link above.

Also

Which structure proposal(s) do you support for the Steem Alliance?

Proposal(s) Plural, means you can vote more than one. This was a request brought forward by the community a few ago that we included. We are updating the post to make it more clear as well.

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4 votes

pibara (60) · 6 years ago (edited)

Think @dpoll.xyz (and a lot of other DApps that only use SteemConnect for user authentication, basically) could use a TTP-free proof of identity implementation. There are I think multiple options that are very much viable. A few:

Micro-transactions as outlined here. Every DApp could integrate this option already.
A simple local (windows/linux/android/etc) custom_json signing+posting client. Basically you could vote with a locally signed custom_json. A DApp owner could write his own client. Great for people who use only one or two DApps. The Memo key would probably be great for this.
SteemConnect could introduce a DApp-agnostic zero-authority identity proving client. Like #2, but could work seemlesly for all DApps already using SteemConnect. Memo key again should be cool for this.
The steemit site could implement the signing part of #3 instead of a local client. DApp or SteemConnect could offer JWS token to the person wanting to proof her identity. She could then go to the steemit JWS signer, sign the JWS token with her posting key, and get a new signed JWS token to submit to the DApp or to SteemConnect.

I feel @steemaliance should really take it upon herself to avoid becoming a self amplifying loop of security-illiteracy, and excluding stake holders, especially larger stake holders, who won't trust their active key to SteemConnect in order to be able to vote, I feel, initiates just that.

I know #4 is far from perfect, but it shouldn't be too much trouble for @emrebeyler to integrate it into the existing @dpoll.xyz system in order to cater to security conscience stake holders who prefer not to hand their active key over to steemconnect in order to vote on these important matters.

Any thought on this @emrebeyler? Especially because these votes are stake based, I feel this is the perfect use case for a steemconnect-free way to authenticate to the voting engine.

6 votes

happyme (68) · 6 years ago

I will NOT BE VOTING on dpoll because I have NO IDEA HOW SECURE it it is. Why do we need to compromise security in order to vote? Make dpoll work with keychain or find a new voting method.

eonwarped (68) · 6 years ago

I will discuss a way to gather non dpoll votes with the working group. I imagine we can also find a way to allow other inputs.

1 vote

happyme (68) · 6 years ago

That would be great. Thanks!

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eonwarped (68) · 6 years ago (edited)

Hey, I just realized, you already trust your posting authority to many other dapps. You aren't compromising anything that you haven't implicitly given up already (trust-wise).

~~Note also that dpoll doesn't even ask you to grant posting authority.~~ (this is wrong, stricken out. steemconnect asks for it, and you still have to trust steemconnect. dpoll's app itself doesn't have access)

Steemconnect is the trusted mediator here, and as long as you trust steemconnect, there's 0 reason to distrust dpoll. Just want to throw that out there.

And you can immediately revoke what little authorization you granted as noted in the parent comment.

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happyme (68) · 6 years ago

How difficult would it be to spoof steemconnect? I see a pop-up that looks like steemconnect and I insert my key. Next thing I know, it does nothing and it's too late to revoke it. I HATE using my actual steem keys all the time.

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eonwarped (68) · 6 years ago

Yeah, I understand the point. But actually even this is fairly difficult because the popup will show the URL with the cert, and you can be sure that if you trust steemconnect, it is fine.

But anyway, we are discussing it.

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happyme (68) · 6 years ago

IF everyone is careful and not in a rush.
It is too easy to get careless and lose everything. I prefer to be paranoid about such things.

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eonwarped (68) · 6 years ago

If you have steem keychain or any other way of assigning posting auth temporarily, I have something for you if you haven't voted already. See here

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happyme (68) · 6 years ago

Looks interesting, but what do we do with it? Not all of us are coders.

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thehive (66) · 6 years ago

Once your keys are entered to Steem Connect, you do not need to re-enter them.
Connecting somewhere else, the site should be verified by Steem Connect.
Any site asking for your keys to be re-entered should never need your aster Key. The majority should not need your active key.

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

@happyme, it looks like keychain will be implemented in a few days. Just wait until then and you can cast your vote.

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happyme (68) · 6 years ago

This is GREAT news. Thanks a lot!

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

Thank @emrebeyler, the creator of dpoll. He’s amazing about implementing new features and helping to make dpoll what the community sees as beneficial. He deserves a big thanks on all he’s done in this process alone. Glad it could get worked out 🙂

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happyme (68) · 6 years ago

Yes, thanks to @emrebeyler. I had no idea who was behind dpoll. It seems all the programmers know each other. Does anyone know who is behind DrugWars?

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

I wouldn’t say all the programmers know each other, it’s just maybe they are more likely to dig into projects. I’m only aware of who is behind which projects due to their posting on it. I was just having a conversation with someone who thought it would be great to have a LinkedIn style page for developers, witnesses etc so it was easier to find information. Maybe something to look forward to.

As far as drugwars, it’s by futureshock aka hightouch’s project. There is a whole team, but I believe he is the founder.

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1 vote

happyme (68) · 6 years ago

I was just having a conversation with someone who thought it would be great to have a LinkedIn style page for developers, witnesses etc so it was easier to find information.

Searching has always been a big problem on this platform, so indexes and the like would surely be a blessing.

Thanks for the information on DrugWars too. I actually found out by looking up the introduction post for it. I wrote on the post as a reply, so I hope @hightouch sees it and responds.

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emrebeyler (74) · 6 years ago

Implementing a steemconnect free way of authentication on dPoll is expensive at this time. Hopefully, we will have the optional keychain integration in the future.

pibara (60) · 6 years ago

Let me know if it would be usefull (and if I can help) making the micro transaction option work with dpoll.

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6 votes

freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

@asgarth, @jarvie, can this happen on steempeak?

I agree that 'the community' is a herd of cats, at this point, and trying to herd them while claiming legitimacy may be premature.

jarvie (70) · 6 years ago

Well first of all I believe strongly that polling should be a non-platform specific act on the blockchain. And there are ways to do that so every front end could do it. I think that's the first step.