BuzzSteem Ep. 31 [DTube: Where you at Dawg?]

in dtube •  7 years ago 


Hello beautiful people!

Today is Sunday, February 18th, and today's BuzzSteem is primarily about: DTube!

I love this platform, because I really think it has the capacity to replace YouTube one day! Everyone talks about us little guys one day being the big guys if we stick with it. Whether or not I agree with that, it still stands to reason, that creators like myself and many others, need a reason to stick around other than awesome people that we know and love that follow us! I'm talking about the almighty upvote my friends! The ever-elusive and extremely impossible to decode random upvote that a lot of daily producers receive every once in a while! Many of us who have committed to Dtube Daily have been putting out consistently high quality content, with a rather inconsistent response from the heavy hitter that was given its SP delegation in order to encourage said quality content. I have even been hearing from YouTube transplants their frustration from having a massive welcome, to only getting a big upvote every once in a while. It is terribly confusing for users, and the platform just doesn't have enough user consistency yet to rely on followers alone for upvotes.

For instance, the other day I was reading this users blog who said that he is making money now because of his sheer number of followers, but in looking at his payout, while his upvote number was high, it wasn't what was funding his payout. The first ten or so votes were upvote bots. Out of the $700 he made on the post, more than half was from upvote bots, like a good $400 or so. Then he got an upvote from DTube of around $150, a whale vote of just under a hundred, a handful of dolphin votes and then his mega stream of followers, only brought him in about 12 bucks. Now, I am not scoffing at 12 bucks being made solely on 10 cent upvotes or so, but it's a far cry from the insinuation that hundreds can be made from sheer upvotes alone. We see this with @haejin. His posts would be worth squat without @ranchorelaxo and he has one of the largest followings on Steemit. Why is this happening?

Well, I believe it's because of the massive amount of users that are dead, meaning they signed up and posted a couple of times, and maybe even clicked that follow button on your account, but they are worthless to you now because they are no longer here. It's kind of like buying votes on Facebook or Youtube. Sure you can impress your friends with your high numbers, but if your interactions are low, those likes and follows are worthless, and the same problem exists on Steemit. Of all my followers, almost 500, only about 30 consistently interact and upvote. Now perhaps the other 90% just hate my content, but it's more likely that a good chunk of that 90% are inactive. Maybe for my next post I will go through them and let you know how many I discovered to be dead.

Now, why are so many posters inactive? That's a good question with a lot of complicated answers. I think that perhaps hitting heavy on the advertising as though Steemit is a get rich quick scheme, isn't really the right way to go about things. I have seen a couple of approaches that I don't necessarily think are the best way to sell a mindset about this website. If people are coming here thinking they will make instant money, they will no doubt be disappointed when their first post only make cents. What's even worse I think though, is when your #introduceyourself post does well and you think you are well on your way, and then the next 20 posts make only cents. (This personally didn't happen to me, it's been a slow climb from the start, but I have seen it happen to others, ugh #theworst.)

So how can we make this better? Well, I think we need to encourage good content by rewarding good content. I think it's great that we have so many users and accounts that are on the hunt for good content, but those users/bots have so little SP delegation that even if they find great content, they don't necessarily have the power to give it the upvote it deserves. I am not sure how DTube delegates its rewards/upvotes, but if there isn't a direct strategy, which there doesn't seem to be, maybe there needs to be one. DTube is probably the platform most likely to blow up, because even though some people enjoy reading long blogs, most content is now consumed via visual medium. So what Dtube has to offer needs to be catchy, interesting, well-made etc. I have seen a few things on here now that hit all those sweet spots, but the upvotes for those particular videos are either inconsistent or non-existent. I myself would like to start producing some awesome high level content through the non profit, but it's hard to commit to if you know you may dump hours and hundreds of dollars into a project that will only make a few cents. While this is a community, and it shouldn't all be about money, we are unfortunately not there yet as a society. Everything still runs on money. I used to believe that my time and talents weren't worth anything, and man, as an artist you are sold this bullshit idea of "being a sellout" if you want to make a living like since your very infancy, and I had that mindset for a long time...until I met my 2nd voice teacher who told me to never again work for free, unless I was explicitly volunteering.

So my dear Steemians, come here with the mindset that this is a community, and it's fun, and it's awesome! But DONT fall into the idea that some here are pushing that "well any money is better than nothing" or "what was Facebook paying you?" or "Steemit owes you nothing." That's crap. In general this sentiment may be true, but it's just as true the other way around. We owe Steemit nothing. We owe Dtube nothing, and the platform could not survive as a social media platform that draws in new people, if it weren't for those making content interesting enough for people to want to stay. The relationship must be a symbiotic one. People help grow the platform by contributing high-quality meaningful posts and the platform helps grow the individual by ensuring their contentment and financial stability via upvote.
I don't care if I wasn't paid to post on Facebook. I also wasn't making Facebook specific content. I didn't actively promote Facebook to other people. I used Facebook for my own gains. Steemit is different. I run a daily vlog that features Steemit related stuff, Dtube related stuff, and I promote these videos on my other social medias. I inherently advertise for Steemit, and I know a lot of other users do too! It is only fair to expect some sort of fair compensation for my time. I hope that others feel that way too. Don't give away your time for nothing, it's the greatest lesson I have learned so far. In expecting those that do have the means to compensate me, to actually do so, I have more time to give my time to those who really need it, and don't have the means to compensate me (ie all the people that our non profit supports.)

Well that's my rant for the day. I am sure, as always, I will ruffle some feathers, but that's just the way I see it anyway!

I will also add that I am not ungrateful at all for the support I have gotten thus far. I appreciate every upvote and comment. I only wish that those that have the power to upvote more consistently, would do so!

Anyway, Happy Sunday and Stay Steemy my friends!


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I think you're raising some valid concerns, but I think the root causes of the problem are the centralized SP distribution and the 'get rich quick' attitude you mentioned. That attitude seems to be held by a number of powerful SP holders and it has come through into both marketing and changes to the curation protocol. Despite that, I think the transparency of the blockchain system is causing enough pushback that we may see Steem grow healthier over time as the 'get rich quick' types get impatient and dump their SP.

While I don't wield anywhere near as much SP as @ranchorelaxo or @dtube, I have enough to speak from experience about some of the challenges of responsible curation. I see too much consistency as dangerous (look at @haejin for example). A person who can count on consistent upvotes is unaccountable, and guaranteed support or delegation like @haejin and @sweetsssj apparently have often leads to questionable behavior. Personally I don't upvote anything I haven't actually watched or read, and sometimes I have less time to spend curating than others. As long as Steem has a shortage of people with both the time and SP to curate effectively, rewards for a lot of content will be something of a lottery. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I think we can support both models. There are a few people whose content I rarely skip over because I consistently appreciate it, and those people as a result get pretty consistent upvotes from me. I sometimes also give oversized upvotes to constructive but mediocre content because I think most of it is under-rewarded but I don't have time to read it all.

A week or two ago I caught myself stressing over hitting 100% vote power and letting it go to waste because I didn't have enough time to use it according to my responsible curation standards. That's ridiculous. My hope is that as the network grows SP will become more widely distributed and rewards will be less volatile because they're less dominated by the erratic behavior of a few large but sleep-deprived stakeholders. Steem is a great gateway into the larger decentralization movement and as such I think it's worth fighting for despite all its flaws, but it isn't worth that sort of stress and stressing about it is counterproductive to its survival anyway.

That makes sense about @haejin and @sweetsssj. Though I doubt many creators are looking for that level of payout. I am more concerned about really high quality content however. Like, I am consistent, and a lot of my videos take a while to write, but I am talking about super high qual content, like the type of stuff I used to do for YouTube. The 20 minute musical we wrote took an entire month to write, produce, create, edit etc. (Not to mention the entire day it would take to upload something like that on dtube!) We knew it would do well on YouTube because there is a healthy Hamilton following, and as I mentioned, we were also able to raise a little money on Patreon to offset the costs of the project, but I don't think dtube is at a place yet to be able to bring our Patreon audience there. I really think dtube needs more creative content though. I suppose I am willing to take a risk on at least one Steem specific project, even without guarantee of a payout, but I am not even sure it would be appreciated. Steemit has had a hard time busting out of its own bubble, but it needs to if it ever wants to grow. Ya know like people producing content that goes beyond cryptocurrency and Steemit itself :)

Someone said to me today when I thought about doing a DLive and making a cooking video I said to them, maybe I should do some preparation before I do it and mention a forthcoming date of when it would happen.
The response I got was along the lines of don't do it for the money, or the views or the audience do it because you want to do it.
I can kind of see both sides of the coin really of course i would love to do it, but what would be the point if there is no one watching me.
Am I being a little selfish saying this remark? I am not sure but certainly I can't see the point in being live if there is no one to watch???

I think "do it because you love to" is a dangerous territory, because as I said, it almost embodies the "make music because of the art, not to make money". That's nice and all in a world where people aren't having to work 3 jobs in the US just to stay fucking afloat. I thought that was the whole point of decentralization in the first place. Other users on here are pushing "Manna" coin which is basically the first of its kind Basic Income. You don't have to do anything but exist to get it. A lot of Libertarians back a universally basic income for all, and then anything above and beyond that you want to make, you can, but the idea that you can survive if you need to without having to absolutely bust ass. I am not sure how I feel about this, but I absolutely think that people should expect more from Steemit than what they get from other websites that don't pay them anything. That is the entire point of starting a crypto backed social media.

So in short, no, it's not selfish to want to actually be seen on a live post, and no it's not selfish to want to make a little money on a website that sets itself apart from other social medias as a place to make money. The long and short of it I suppose.

@bethwheatcraft I love this line in this post

Don't give away your time for nothing

When I joined steemit I taught it was a joke, that it's wasn't real, how can a social media give you rewards for writing.? But after I joined I realised it was real, yesterday been Saturday I paid my university tuition fee roughly $70 through the earnings of reward I got from my blog and a loan of $22 roughly 4sbd in person of @madevi a great buddy from Netherlands, to see prove of this loan you can check my transaction history on my blog. How we chat, its through the discord app.
I took away this burden from my parent. Just look at me, a young lad in my early twenties shouldering the responsibilities of my parents of paying my academics tuition fee through steemit.
To all those new comers on steemit just like @bethwheatcraft said your #introduceyourself will bring lots of buck If you are lucky then after that maybe 1 to 10 of the posts that follow will make few cents. But I assure you guys quality post quality , consistency and finding your niche on steemit will never go unrewarded
What I love about @bethwheatcraft, I don't visit her blog because of her SP, I just love her steemit presence everything about her content is just dope, I'm proud to say I'm her die hard fan and follower after her comment via my introductory post.
Steemit is not a place were people just earn but it's a place to also make friends.
After joining steemit my passion for fb, twitter vanished. I only use them to work and earn more by promoting steemit with links talking about steemit and this initiative is powered by @project-atlas, they offer jobs to minnows by providing links that promote steemit, then we use fb or twitter to do the job and get paid, so far I have recd 1.8sbd roughly $11.
That will be all, I will write about how steemit has changed my life soonest.
To my Mummy mini-wheat I wish you a happy Sunday.

Jeez I feel your rant.
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HAPPY STEEMING 👌

Your daughter is adorable that is the sweetest voice I ever heard.

Yes...yes...yes Beth I hear you and agree with you loud and clear. I could not agree with you more. I have over 700 followers on my platform now I was looking through them today I actually wanted to look through them one by one because I can bet not even 5 % of those followers are active.
I actually made a post about why I follow such a low number of people last night, not sure if you seen it or not. And I explained that if I have to high a number I cannot engage with them all, so I just can't do it.

So onto the matter of DTube, like you I love DTube I think they have a great platform, but I hope they see this post and read these comments. If Dtube is getting delegation, which I believe it might be I confess openly I am not delegating to the platform right now not to DTube anyway. But with a high SP either it should be transparent on what projects they are working on or rewarding the creators which like you said it is, but not all the time.

It frustrates me their lack of posts and seemingly lack of communication , DTube has its own discord server, going in there most of the time its like tumbleweed. Now go to DLive and its thriving, DLive is doing a lot more for the creators to encourage them to keep making content including contests and recognition.

Personally I would love to see DTube go high up in the rankings and get the respect it deserves, because it has the potential to go a long way if it gets its act together.
Regarding what you were saying though about content creators moving from you tube and then leaving, well my take on this is they should not depend on whales and DTube to support them, if their followers are true they will follow them anywhere. If they have to start from scratch where existing content creators are making more of them, then that's right because their doing the hard work.

But to sum it up you're right DTube if you are going to reward your creators you need to have some consistency, because right now im confused as hell???

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wonderful greetings from venezuela

Yeah, d.tube have a great platform but there social responsibility of propping up the newcomers lacks a lot to be desired.

If the message is to come here and earn more than your YouTube gig then you need to see some rewards for your effort or It'll be just better to stick it out on Youtube, and hope the tide changes.

Remember you can continue to earn on YT long after you post the video, so if you don't earn money in the first 7 days on d.tube you absolutely are better posting on YT instead.

I for one earned $1000 on a YT video 6 months after it was published. You can't get that on d.tube.

You are a class vlogging act!

I'm with you on seeking consistency and fairness, but i also agree with @troglodactyl in the dangers of, in this case, an auto-vote coming from @dtube.

In the past (mid 2016) when Steem went bonkers, 5 figure payouts were flying around and many were just throwing out any old crap because they had auto-votes coming in.

I would love to hear @dtube's / @heimindanger's view on this. I think he'd understand your views, and have very reasonable comment as to why it's just so hard to share out this SP 'perfectly'.

Great vlog, you've done this before I can tell! :D

Yeah it's definitely a very complex issue. I had heard that about insane payouts in the beginning. I think I read that some makeup vlogger got 15k for one video and everyone went crazy! I definitely don't expect anything to be perfect, and as I said before, Steemit is still in its infancy and DTube even more so. Auto-voting is definitely not a good idea because of the lack of oversight on quality, and even then, quality is a very subjective subject anyway. I see a lot of hate on "selfie videos" like mine, and have even had close friends make snide remarks about my posts getting Dtube attention (not realizing of course how long the writing, filming and editing process takes. Much less the upload time as well, but I digress.)

I definitely think we could use more diverse quality content, but as I have said before, it's a gamble to produce content specifically for Steem if there is no guarantee of success! (It's kind of like the real world in a way, no? haha) There are some short films I have written and would love to do a Dtube exclusive release for, rather than a YouTube release for out Patreon supporters, but we would lose Patreon money if we release on DTube, so it's a scary gamble to take! I mean, Steemit is a crazy wild ride though. It's kind of a thrill getting an unexpected upvote, but certainly not something to be taken for granted, and not at this stage of things. For now, I do my best to juggle my three jobs and hope I don't lose my sanity in the meantime, and maybe one day, I will be able to drop one of the jobs and Steem on full time. Here's hoping! :) Thanks for taking the time to watch! I am actually new to vlogging, but I have been acting and doing comedy for years!

I so would like to start doing Dtube, but for some reason I am not able to up vote, or upload, or really do anything but view the videos. I think it has to do with me using my cell phone, but I don't really have another option in my truck. I've been up voting your stuff by coming back to Steemit to do my up votes. Every time I hit up vote in Dtube or try to upload to my channel it says unknown error. A little frustrating. I use my phone as my computer, so I hope this somehow magically gets fixed in the near future, but I'm not holding my breath.

Forgive me if im asking something stupid here but are you signed in to DTube with your steemit
credentials. It should at least let you upvote not sure on the upload using a cellphone??

Yes, I think so, but I will double check. Thx.