I get the same idea. But in many ways, it's like the days of old with the 'bandwidth limit exceeded' message. At this time, many larger accounts delegated to keen looking new users so they could interact.
So far, I've seen at least 5 posts offering the same service - SP (for resource credits) to kickstart a new account. Ideally, we need people checking out the #introduceyourself tag and listing the potential real people. Under the current (and now quite generous) ruling, 30 delegated SP would give an account the ability to post, with at least 20/30 comments a day. For me, that is plenty.
I feel that the first few weeks, like in the past, a new users time should be spent reading and learning. At this point, a good sort should have worked out what tags to open up with, asked some reasonable questions, and be ready to claim 2/3 SP from their first post. From this, they could be added to a list of people who could well use a 20/30/40 SP delegation wisely, and in a month have enough to interact 'enough' on their own two feet.
The merits of this approach is that the shit gets ignored and these people need to invest to spam. Those giving/receiving delegations, potentially form a long term bond, which in turn should lead to better retention rates and a stronger community.
I'm going to have to call @davemccoy and @indigoocean in again here. I suspect you guys are still in disagreement with the whole affair, and perhaps wish for a post from myself explaining my stance, but the above thread pretty much covers it.
I will happily delegate to anyone involved in the Engagement League who has having trouble interacting as much as they wish, and if new users are put forward to me following a reasonable review and perhaps some monitoring by the person who puts the account to me, I'll do the same.
Before, the door was wide open to our house, now we have a little more control on who we let in. Not much, but at least we can ask them to wipe their feet first.
Cheers
Asher
I replied to you on this on your post at length, but bottom line, I think we're going to need to see in the data whether this really hurts growth (relative to how new user retention already was, which I know as already pretty low), or whether we do in fact wind up simply attracting a more dedicated crowd.
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searching for reply now.... unless it's the one elsewhere that i replied to earlier :D
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What's interesting about all of this is, I'm not totally of a mind that everyone should be able to just walk in. I think it means more when people do have skin in the game. The problem becomes determining how much, and in my mind, at least a part of the mission of STEEM is to give opportunities to those who would not otherwise have one.
So, in saying what I've been saying, it's because we've had people here working under the assumptions, misplaced or misunderstood as they may be, that if they could and desired to put in the time to rise to the top of the leagues, they could. Struggling with bandwidth was still happening for a brief period when I came in. I basically bought my way out of it, though. That's not an option for a lot of people here, because they've been shown the "free" part of "freemium" and rarely the rest.
That said, I don't think any of us have to clean up this mess. I think it should be left squarely at the feet of Steemit Inc and those individuals who have taken it upon themselves to lie about what STEEM is. I also think each one of us need to be responsible for our own situation and decide what we're going to do with them. We're playing under new rules now, and we can either accept the new reality they impose, find ways to improve our lot—however that happens—or we can walk away.
Those of us who look to continue on don't want any more of a mass exodus than what's already happened, but nor should we feel obligated to keep people here somehow. The community can certainly come together to help one another out, but that needs to be left up to each individual to determine what they might do or not do.
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Yes I still disagree Asher! You are amazing and a wonderful person, so my disagreement is definitely not with you as a person though. ;)
I think the concept that people need "help" from someone bigger to make a post or comment or vote a witness or anything that should be free, will turn people off. It has turned me off. I came here because I thought it was a place that people could earn over time, but be social in the process. Now there is a barrier to entry and you need permission from a gatekeeper to even speak your mind.
I don't think this is about spam either, I think its about money. Leasing the RCs is going to be another form of income. The spam issue is nothing compared to the negativity that people are feeling at the low end.
And your analogy about letting people into your house is not conducive to having the masses show up. You can't get the masses to come by your home and screen them one by one. So if you want to keep it a small niche with a few that enter your home, then that analogy is perfect. If you want millions to show up, then you should expect some that get in that you don't like. (and isn't that what flags were for?)
I know you have your opinion and I fully trust that you have great intentions. I think time will tell which of us is right. You have been here longer and I respect your heart, and for the record I do hope you're right and I'm wrong. I will be happy to eat some crow on this one!
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Thanks Dave :)
It's still free, you just have to wait to get more free stuff :) As i said, this has been the case before, and people enjoyed helping out. It's not Steemit incs community, it's all of ours.
The masses wont turn up all at once, that is unless a dapp or SMT buys up 1000's of accounts (which will happen), and throws some power at them to start people off (which will likely happen).
Then, any 'weight' will be off our backs and we can focus on delegating a little to family and friends, or delegating out to SMTs, whilst holding enough to interact and talk about how much passive income we are earning.
Around 10000 unique accounts posted each day in early September, that's less than 0.1% of all registered accounts. Rolling out the resource credit carpet to welcome the good guys will surely see better stats than that!
I hope i'm right too :)
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Keep an eye on those numbers and let us know... I'm definitely curious to see if it grows and definitely hope so! Have a great day Asher and thanks for the time to share your thoughts on this one! :)
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