Tuesday, September 25, 2018
The discussion begins with the fact that the blacklist and EOSYS were updated EOS Block Explorer - EOS Cafe & HKEOS
EOSBetCasino | EOSBet.IO asks:
“Is the RAM bug fixed guys? Or still need to proxy the transfers?”
WinLin replies him:
“It's an option whether disable allocating RAM”.
Tal Muskal | LiquidEOS makes announcement:
“Hello BPs, we added integration with EOSLaoMao's awesome theblacklist contract to our Heartbeat BP plugin. it will now publish your blacklist hash automatically from your nodeos bp process: bancorprotocol/eos-producer-heartbeat-plugin
Hoping to get rid of the manual hash syncing,
Enjoy. We also built a plugin sololy for blacklist hash check and update: EOSLaoMao/blacklist_plugin”.
“As far as i understand, they can be used together and are doing different things. :)
our plugins only posts the action periodically. it doesn't aim to sync with ECAF or anything. and doesn't expose any endpoints.”
Sonya|Starteos also makes an announcement:
“Starteos Calling on EOS Block Producers to Freeze the Stolen Account!
As to the issue that a large amount of tokens were stolen from an EOS account, Starteos had paid high attention and froze the account with quick action.
In order to respect and protect individual asset from attacks, Starteos is calling on EOS Block Producers to join up and freeze the stolen account to leave less opportunity for the stealer and minimize the loss of the victim.”
Zhao Yu@ EOSLaoMao.com replies her:
Order is out: https://eoscorearbitration.io/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/ECAF-Order-of-Emergency-Protection-2018-09-25-AO-011.pdf
EOS Block Explorer - EOS Cafe & HKEOS
He later on asks:
“Is it against the Constitution to run nodeos(nodes that produce blocks) with 3rd party plugins?”
Jiri Jetmar | EOS Germany | [email protected] replies:
“Interesting question - I would argue as long as the 3rd party plugin does not violate the constitution as whole, there is no reason not to use additional plugins.”
Zhao Yu@ EOSLaoMao.com](http://t.me/zhaoyu) summarizes:
“As people pointed out, 3rd party plugins do add risks crashing nodeos, so I guess we just use it at our own risks.”
Jiri Jetmar | EOS Germany | [email protected] adds:
“A plugin that "reorders" e.g. a Buy/Sell RAM transations, where a BP can add his own Buy/Sell RAM transaction to scalp the RAM market would be a no-go from my perspective.. 😊. Yes, I guess this would be the BPs own risk. I personally would like to see some alternative "nodeos" implementations like parity in Ethereum. Eventually using a nice languages like Haskell 😊”.
Wednesday, September 26, 2018
Kevin Rose - EOS New York gives links Coinbase Listing Application Form, Coinbase Gears Up for Biggest-Ever Expansion of Crypto Asset Listings - CoinDesk
Zhao Yu@ EOSLaoMao.com makes an announcement:
“Guys, we have built a ElasticSearch plugin for nodeos: EOSLaoMao/elasticsearch_plugin
still trying to optimize the syncing speed, would love to hear some feedbacks.
PRs are welcome!”
Users thank him for the link.
Kedar Iyer - Everipedia - LibertyBlock wrties:
“We messed up our blacklist. Saw the 2nd order on the 25th and thought it was the same as the first order. And didn't add those accounts. added now.”
Marshall Long bp.fish eboost.fun replies him:
“Yeah we're updating now.”
Stéphane Duchesneau - EOS Canada informs:
“We've noticed that we had a lot of outgoing connections staying "dead" on our Nodeos peering nodes. Some of you might be victim of the same issues, so I'm linking these little snippets here to help you validate if you see the same behaviour!
Running the "get list" + "force reconnect" snippets from there frequently allowed us to attain a higher and more resilient outbound connection pool .
commands to get list of dead peers in Nodeos and force-reconnect them.
Let me know if you see an increase in the number of active connections or better resilience! These scripts are not production-grade stuff, but is meant to be coded into whatever management or monitoring tool that you use. If others see the same behaviour, there could be a bug in the reconnection mechanism in nodeos.”
Thursday, September 27, 2018
[email protected] replies to the comment by EOSBetCasino | EOSBet.IO: “ECAF seems hyper ineffective if hackers have days to transfer funds off chain before a freeze. Hell that guy was screwing around on EOS Knights and etc after the hack, not trying to transfer off ASAP”
The reply is:
“This was our point fro the get go - there is no way for ECAF to ever stop any kind of ongoing theft. This is down to more advanced custodian smart contracts that need to be built that would let you shield your business from simple hacking. Thinking that ECAF is suited for this role is delusional.”
Friday, September 28, 2018
Steve Floyd - eostribe.io writes:
“Yeah, it was said that there was no vote trading going on in London, but several Asian BPs have confirmed this was happening weeks ago and had shared it among the network already.
The people saying it are reputable people, not sure why they would lie about it.
The reason people are concerned is because with no 2/3rds +1 majority to vote referenda in and change anything, any real governance is dead in the water.”
Ben DNA ⛏shEOS writes:
“I think this is an important time for the community to align on values. I'm working on something now to measure community alignment to values. Let's talk about those values.
inclusion
transparency
integrity
sustainability
value creation and recognition
innovation
This is what I have drafted so far, please add / critique / remove / tweak.
The real questions we need to ask ourselves as a community are:
- Who is going along with it?
- Who isn’t?”
Ben DNA ⛏shEOS writes:
“@Bensig the “source” today named you and your promise to file against Sock puppet bps worked and pissed the owners of those sock puppet BP accounts off. So much so that they decided to collude together and vote trade each other in the top 21.... allegedly. <<< this was all stated in the proxies group today. They said it was deals in WeChat and someone was named as having the connections in wechat. Take a peek in there. It was nuts. But besides all these allegations by this “source”, i wanted to say your work/initiative worked well, in making a stir. Thank you, keep it up. And finally, did you file on those bps you listed?”
Khosi (eosafricaone) Morafo eosAfrica gives his point:
“I am sorry but I am really trying to understand the duplicity in the arguments being put forward here. Has anyone proven that Western BPs are NOT colluding to the point that we should accept it as common cause that Asian BPs are colluding even if there is no undisputed evidence to this effect? My problem is that there is a lot of stereotyping poison being injected here. The message is simple, it seems, Western BPs do not collude and Asian BPs collude. Can we not argue by actually naming the ones being accused of wrongdoing instead of painting an entire group as bad just because they come from the same region?”.
Steve Floyd - eostribe.io asks:
“So there is vote trading? What does it look like? Most I’ve heard was 7:3, but it looks like it varies depending on what type of “关系” you have with them. Anyone who is complacent with this is going to burn the whole network down from a PR perspective, pretty short sighted. I hope people realize we are about to let loose 40+ globally distributed EOS marketing operations who are looking for a reason to go after a “cabal” who have kept them from being in a paid position (whether that is real or perceived). You can be fairly certain that they will spread this news into every investment and crypto circle in the world that will listen moving forward. Whoever is suspected to be participating will become pariahs in the eyes of the idealists who largely built the community up until this point. It may not matter in the end, but it will certainly make us all look like a bunch of clowns.” I think the common difference is that Western BPs who are “colluding” - or talking / sharing more amongst each other are a result of these suspicions.
The fear of Asian collusion (whether real or imagined) seems to be focused around economic incentives and/or investment schemes while Western collusion seems to be driven by upholding the ideals the network was built on.
I know 90% of the dirt around most western BPs, and I can say no one is sharing revenue or plotting to consolidate votes. If anything, it’s just like minded operations of devs teaming up to ship a community project and get visibility from it.
We value our independence in the West as a general rule. Bowing down to another organization for money is fundamentally against our belief systems and why a lot of us left what we were doing before all this.
I can’t speak for others, just what I’ve observed. I am sure there are a handful of western BP operations positioning their teams as insiders, but that’s more politics than actual revenue sharing and full on financial collision. I think what is being said and what you are saying are night and day personally, but that’s just my opinion right? If any BP is "bowing down" to another, then that is something worth addressing… We aren’t talking about implied favors or the standard issue cockblocking/front running here, that’s everywhere on the network. I’m talking about calculated investment schemes offered to willing participants in the form of direct vote buying. Let’s separate the two for the sake of conversation.”
Khosi (eosafricaone) Morafo eosAfrica adds:
“Guys, please understand that you are not running machines that produce blocks at intervals. You are running an economic system whose activities affect lives of real people. @Bensig , may I humbly suggest that you add 'diplomacy' to your list of values ☺️”.
Ben DNA ⛏shEOS resplies:
“Yes! Without evidence, this is heresay/gossip.
Values:
inclusion
transparency
integrity
sustainability
value creation and recognition
innovation
diplomacy”.
Users agree and one of them writes that this is something EOS governance lacks right now, teeth.
Steve Floyd - eostribe.io adds:
“Diplomacy without an honest narrative is just vapid politics. Some of us are here to change the world for the better, however large or small. If we can’t openly discuss at very least what is being said, we’re not getting off to a very good start.”
Ryan Bethem - EOS42 gives his point:
“Besides the risk of making accusations without undisputed evidence, there is a real risk in framing this situation in a way that has an implicit assumption that western BPs are immune to collusion while eastern BPs are engaged in collusion. Simultaneously, I understand why people would be concerned about the issue of collusion in principle. It’s a real concern given the highly exploitable nature of the current state of this chain.
It’s important to keep in mind, whether “western” Or “eastern” BPs are colluding or committing malicious acts, it’s not about the region they come from. Framing things by region has the potential of creating stereotypes that implicate all of the other BPs and humans from a given region. Say we caught 42 and a couple of other BPs engaged in some sort of vote buying or whatever - we wouldn’t refer to them as the western BPs that are colluding and then assume that the region was involved in collusion. We’d name offenders specifically.
Furthermore, I’m far more concerned about the reality that among any group of humans there are those that are more prone to falling prey to the aspect of human nature that involves greed... if there is a door to exploit then someone will walk through that door. Do we have the mechanisms to deal with these doors when they are exploited? I’m beating a dead horse, but I’m trying to drive the point that this is a problem for the entire community of well intentioned people that came together to build EOS face... people from the east, west or otherwise. We all suffer from the same limitations and vulnerabilities - borders and regions are irrelevant. Most of us want to see an ecosystem founded on justice and fairness - none of this is possible without mechanisms in place to identify and enforce proper oversight that is based on facts and truth.”
Sun Tzu adds:
“I fear that the vast majority of the EOS holders are in it for the price rise. Is there any reason to believe that the BPs are immune to this? Ofc many are. But I would bet many BP owners are simply interested in the money - and the fact that they employ community-minded people to run the BP is not an impediment to money-based decisions.
Incentives rule. That is how the system was designed, and we shouldn't be shocked when it seems that people just follow the money. Which isn't to say there are some bad apples, but rather that until the evidence is in, we just don't know. In today's post-truth viral meme world, we can't separate prejudice from reality until we see some actual facts. For those BPs that are not accepting this situation - how do they show the negative of not accepting it? For those BPs deep in the situation - how do they (or we) extract them out of it?”
My perception is that investment and technology are the only inputs that matter in the current Chinese business equation. All this western idealism seen in EOS is a weakness / hinderance to serious Chinese business people. Also - who you associate with and the social pecking order within the Western community doesn’t matter as much as real access, connections and experience. Again, maybe I’m wrong - but that’s what I’ve gathered so far.
Marshall Long bp.fish eboost.fun makes an offer:
“Quick question. Would anyone be interested in going on a hosted tour to visit some of our chinese friends? It's very obvious business culture is what causes this current rift we see. I think I can say THE LINK would be interested in hosting some tours not just around EOS but other crypto projects too (for perspective) It probably shouldn't be a highly public event like a summit (to avoid gov. Scrutiny)”
Everybody is really enthusiastic, they say yes and start to discuss Chinese culture mostly about positive way. They talk about the need to know Chinese voters better.