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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

downvoted 1% to sort replies.

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hone.heke (51) · 5 years ago

This BOOSTS THE REWARD POOL which gets scooped into the hands of the TOP EARNERS.

It was a bit of shock to me that one of the stated goals of Economic Improvement Plan was to 'Normalize Flags' as if their was not enough abuse of flags going on already!

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

More flags = more money for the top-earners!!

futuremind (70) · 5 years ago

I'm no pro in the intricacies of Steem economics @logiczombie, and tbh, sometimes it gets rather taxing and stressful to even think about. I will however provide some thoughts because you were kind enough to think of me in a tag, thank you for that.

I relate what I see here to real world economics, it's a digital transposing how I see it, and through the safety net of a screen barrier, you get the privilege (or disposition?) to see what is really going on with the collective human psyche.

Disagreements happen all the time with people, sometimes to the point of volatility. It is understandable to a degree considering the psychopathic morally destitute system we have created for humanity, but how I see it is, why hold grudges and expend so much energy with a "war" mindset?

There's a Steemian here, who I won't call out by name, had a disagreement with me like a year ago, and goes around behind the scenes trying to create issues for me, when I am not bothering the person at all.. not a bit.. Yet, it just doesn't stop. I feel nothing but pity for that person. It is very sad to me. I've had my disagreements with some (you've seen examples), but it's generally short lived, and I really don't like confrontation. I get over it and move on.

People going to the extremes over a grudge, raping reward pool, exploiting, silencing ect ect... really amalgamates with how shit works in this world. Free speech is an interesting topic. True free speech should have no moderation whatsoever, imo, even if 99.99999999 percent of people do not like the topic, any suppression goes against what free speech is about. (of course, just my opinion!)

I'm not sure if I answered this adequately or not, I did my best with my philosophical based thinking.

I hope you're doing alright my friend.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

How does someone "steal" from the "reward pool"?

Doesn't it seem like that would be a systemic design flaw that should be resolved with a systemic fix?

I appreciate your time and consideration.

futuremind (70) · 5 years ago

How does someone "steal" from the "reward pool"?
Doesn't it seem like that would be a systemic design flaw that should be resolved with a systemic fix?

Given the current economics, it's my opinion that vote buying is akin to stealing, because it is off the basis of what "the buyer" feels their content is worth, and not the collective majority. (it also takes some coinage out of everyone else's bucket, somewhat unfairly and selfishly.) Of course this is arguable too, because vote buying is somewhat akin to an ROI based investment so to speak. Many grey areas and varying opinions on this.

I personally do not like the economic structure here, but by participating in it, I am supporting it. Same goes for real world economics. Hard to think free will is such a thing, because those who don't chase the dollar will starve. Unless you obtain the skills and desire to go caveman style out in the woods somewhere.

I appreciate your time and consideration.

Likewise friend. Why payout declined? I wanted to upvote, but consider it a waste of resources to do so (considering the economics..)

!ENGAGE 50

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

By voting for my "payout declined" comments and posts, you are supporting the highest-quality-community-approved-content of the top-earners!!!

I've concluded that the voting system is completely broken and will use delegation as an alternative.

Vote-selling is exactly like buying banner ads (paid-endorsements), which steemit doesn't seem to have the slightest "problem" with (I'd even buy some myself if they let you pay for them with steem).

futuremind (70) · 5 years ago (edited)

By voting for my "payout declined" comments and posts, you are supporting the highest-quality-community-approved-content of the top-earners!!!

Lol, although I do feel your comments and posts are quality, I am not sure I understand the logic here.

Vote-selling is exactly like buying banner ads (paid-endorsements), which steemit doesn't seem to have the slightest "problem" with (I'd even buy some myself if they let you pay for them with steem).

Great point, but if it's truly "paid endorsement" a user might decline rewards and pay for the promotion, otherwise, it's profitable "paid endorsement" right?

And I don't see many flags on the posts that decline rewards and pay for votes.

I think it's logical to "assume" that not declining rewards, and buying paid endorsement that is profitable, comes with the intent to earn from the paid promotion, otherwise the user would be willing to take a hit to promote their content.

Yeah, many aspects are broken alright, but given how this system works, I do find it hard to envision a perfect system, and that is probably why I'm just a lowly content creator :P

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Great point, but if it's truly "paid endorsement" a user might decline rewards and pay for the promotion, otherwise, it's profitable "paid endorsement" right?

If I pay an ex-football-star to sign tee-shirts at my car-dealership next week-end, I expect that's going to be "profitable" right?

futuremind (70) · 5 years ago

But you're not paying an ex foot ball star, you're paying yourself by way of paying for a profitable vote.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Ok, maybe it's more like paying an ex-football-star $1,000.00 to buy a car at my dealership this weekend.

They're going to buy a car somewhere, and if I pay them to buy one from me, is that "unethical"?

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

By voting for my "payout declined" comments and posts, you are supporting the highest-quality-community-approved-content of the top-earners!!!

Lol, although I do feel your comments and posts are quality, I am not sure I understand the logic here.

When you vote for something that's "payout declined" your contribution goes directly into the "reward pool" which gets distributed to all the posts that make more than $20 steem, with the highest percentage of the pool getting distributed to the top-earners who are providing the highest-quality-community-approved-content!!!

So you're not contributing your steem to me, you're contributing your steem to whoever the whales decide "deserves" your steem (but I still get a small rep boost).

futuremind (70) · 5 years ago

But hey, I still got around it didn't I, with some ENGAGE , so you got rewarded for your time whether you like it or not!!!! 😛

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Thanks! Those tokens can't be downvoted out of your hands!!

futuremind (70) · 5 years ago

I get it now, I thought this might be what you mean.

It seems rather sarcastic, directed at the top earners in a bitter way.

Not really sure what to say, but I get where you're coming from to a degree. Still, why not accept rewards? Being bitter about it and declining rewards while spending time to create conversation and content is not really cool in my opinion. It doesn't serve much of a purpose to me.

It's just my opinion man, but by saying that, it's like saying "vote me so you can support all the people I don't agree with", which doesn't really taste good to me.

Just being honest, but I do support your opinion, just not going to upvote on the bases of such sarcasm. It's rather negative to me, and lacking any semblance of positive forward thinking.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Ok, well, thanks for your understanding.

I've already been criticized for my voting habits and accused of "being greedy" (specifically for complaining about downvotes).

So I figured, in order to "prove" I'm not doing this "just for the money", I should go ahead and decline payouts.

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logiczombie (57) · 4 years ago

∴

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futuremind (70) · 4 years ago

∴👀

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sunlit7 (59) · 5 years ago

I remember when you got fifteen steem to start. The majority of the time you couldn't get on steemit during the day...back then I usually was on at night as in the wee hours of the morning so that helped a lot. I guess they changed it to stop people from creating multiple accounts to scam the system.

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hone.heke (51) · 5 years ago

I guess they changed it to stop people from creating multiple accounts to scam the system.

Are talking about free flags here?
The people with the most number of alt accounts appear to the whales and they are the people who directly benefit from the removal of rewards from other accounts.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

The people with the most number of alt accounts appear to the whales...

Yup.

fredkese (69) · 5 years ago

Those downvoting, I'm not sure there's any measure that would stop them. The only thing will be to counteract them with upvotes.

Posted using Partiko Android

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Do you think it's a little strange that the same people who benefit the most from downvotes are the same people who changed the code to allow more downvotes?

fredkese (69) · 5 years ago

No, they only thinking of themselves. The same people who operated bots are now downvoting others for seeking bot upvotes

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

I guess they've lost their moral coherence!

logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Tag @r0nd0n, what was your take on the whole @starworld situation?

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3 votes

https://twitter.com/i/status/1228371321567969280

valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

"...how do we onboard new users..?"

That's under control.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Zoiks!

Here's the new boss, same as the old boss...

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3 votes

logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Well, somebody's happy!

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freebornangel (73) · 5 years ago

Ok, not short.

A minimum payout can be had by buying sbi shares.
A coded minimum payout would lead to sybil attacks.

What we have is working is working almost as well as the original @dan had in mind.
This will only improve as the inflation, and selling, dilutes the ninjamine.

The ninjamine blew the math curves all to hell, but the nature of the design fixes that in a few more years.

What was the question, again?

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

A coded minimum payout would lead to sybil attacks.

Please explain.

freebornangel (73) · 5 years ago

Bots already reap the pool, if they were guaranteed payouts there would be no end of them.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Ah, ok. Why not just kill all the automatic newb delegations from @steem?

If new accounts started with ZERO steem-power, wouldn't that solve the problem?

Steemit could be "invite only", like fa.cebuk (and a few others) when it first started (you'd need a sponsor).

freebornangel (73) · 5 years ago

Why not just kill all the automatic newb delegations from @steem?

No rc's, no posts.
They have to have some delegation to even vote.
We have invites now, nobody is getting viral signups.

Honestly, we have plowed most of this ground in the first year.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

No rc's, no posts.

Maybe if the newb delegation expired after 30 days that would cut down on the exploit?

freebornangel (73) · 5 years ago

What would help is the community making a welcome wagon to vet accounts.
It takes vigilance because behaviors change without notice.
Steemcleaners and SFR have stepped up into that role.

Right now it is hard on the newbs because of the tax on low sp votes.
I haven't gotten good answers to my questions about that, and it leads me to be suspicious.

When i got here, newbs did not matter in the math until much higher sp amounts.
It is better now, afaik.

Stinc does keep an eye on accounts and lowers the delegation as sp grows.
'Soon' there might be a fork to make rc pools which will let the newbs comment, but their votes will be even dustier.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

What would help is the community making a welcome wagon to vet accounts.

That's why I was thinking "invite only".

If I invite (or adopt) a newb, I want to make sure they're actually posting stuff and are willing to engage in some level of conversation and not just upvoting or just downvoting all the time.

If an existing user has to delegate to the newbs (no automatic delegation) then they're more likely to cancel the delegation if that newb doesn't act like a person.

Also, if you want sock-puppets, then you have to fund them yourself, which sort of defeats the purpose...

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Broken links to replies (-4rep) that don't show on my replies feed,

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For example, https://steemit.com/steemit/@logiczombie/q5p0k8

Doesn't show stopthemarkymarks comment at all, not behind a click through "show comment" or anything.

And if you view the comment from stopthemarkymark's replies page, the link is broken,

For example,
https://steemit.com/steemit/@stopthemarkymark/re-q5p0k8-20200214t153241

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Tag @futuremind, @crypto.piotr, @freebornangel, @bewarecenterbase

Please fact-check my brief post and set-me-straight if I'm mistaken.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Tag @ura-soul,

Please fact-check my brief post and set-me-straight if I'm mistaken.

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owasco (67) · 4 years ago

The more I read of you, the better I understand

Perhaps anarchy already exists and government is merely the highest manifestation of organized crime.

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logiczombie (57) · 4 years ago

∴

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

By the way, this post is copy-pasta and super low-effort.

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