Yes, I'm also against fake natties telling people who's possible on Youtube. The supplement industry is incredibly corrupt. In fact, responsible use of steroids far from the worst. Dorian Yates is still healthy after all these years. The worst are people who who put toxic compounds like superdrol and amphetamine into supplements without the consumer's knowledge. Not only that, most whey proteins on the market are fakes that contain far less protein than they claim and even toxic fillers.
I would mostly agree your sentiment that Nate Diaz is about the peak of natural athleticism... but I would say that he's not natural, because he's a paid athlete... he's taking some sort of PEDs... yet I would also say that it's actually possible to get maybe 5-10lbs bigger than him naturally if you train for size rather than performance. My examples of natural limit would be Frank Yang and Omar Isuf.
This video is an excellent explanation... It's just mass, but a certain 3D look, and even smell, behavioral mood, performance level, speed of transformation, consistency of look, etc.
Frank Yang and Omar Isuf are good examples. But still they devote hefty portions of their time to gymming. It's rather unfair to present this as natural, even tho it's natural! It is natural, but it's also a full time job. Also we don't know what role genetics plays in those cases: maybe they're lucky.
I watched the video. What would be interesting to see, would be to present those examples to random people, and ask them whether they think those bodies are natural. I'm pretty sure most men and women would think something like #12 & #10 and many others are natural bodies. We've gotten desensitized, basically.
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Yes, that would be interesting. There's another point of not just size, but also polished look. For example, this guy isn't natural, yet he's quite small: https://www.instagram.com/rowanrow/
He doesn't stand out at all in a shirt, but you can tell from his shape that he's on weak anabolics and fat burners.
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