Flagging is not censorship

solcross (52) · 7 years ago

Well, some people wouldn't mind seeing movie suggestions and trailers to know what movies to view. I for one, that's how I get to decide which movie to watch. That might also be a bit of bullying as well. Posting just quotes I can relate. But what if content related to that, that's what keeps some people coming back to steemit? There has to be balance to everything, and I for one won't be rushing in to criticise people that post trailers..maybe some of them could just make a little more effort, yes.

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stabilowl (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

This is suppose to be a site for original contents. Posting just trailers that have been moved straight to here from YouTube is not original content. If it is accompanied by commentary and reviews that was written by the person who post it then yes, by all means we welcome that. Otherwise, you are profiting upon other people's content which is just not right.

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contentjunkie (73) · 7 years ago

This site is not just for original or long form content. I can see how you would get that impression from some of the zealots though. The site is a social network inspired by reddit and I share interesting links as intended. The content was designed to be shared just as it is being done.
The movie content creators hope for such a thing. Sharing content is a huge part of any successful social media network. To not recognize that is myopic.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

You are so full of shit, if that was true, you wouldn't need to do this:

Over $200 five times a day for linking a movie trailer? It's a shame no one else will flag your bullshit.

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contentjunkie (73) · 7 years ago

You're a hypocrite. You run vote bots. Yeah I went to the market and purchased SBD helping drive up the price and volume on the market and then spent that on votes to promote my account so what? I'm helping the Steem economy. You don't really have a point that makes sense here. I invested in the account via the promotion systems like the ones you own and operate, I'm not ashamed of that.

Some people did flag me and asked that I not go over $50sbd. The reason others don't flag me is because they aren't as small minded as you. They can see it's obviously not spam or plagirism and is exactly how one would use reddit, twitter or facebook. They recognize actions like yours only serve to hurt the platform and turn away adoption from a mainstream user base. You are literally punishing me for using the site and promotion bots as was intended.

It's also kind of ironic that you would title this post "flagging is not censorship" and then you go and use flags to censor all the posts on the account.

If flagging isn't censorship how did all these post get censored by your flags?

Or the previous ones you flagged into censorship which caused me to return to vote buying to fight back.

Stop pretending like you aren't censoring, own up to the fact you aren't fighting spam you're just censoring content you deem low effort. You're just doing your best to make sure Steem isn't fast and easy to use. Great marketing genius you are. Make sure everyone knows that you have to spend a long time and work really hard writing essays to earn Steem. Don't risk buying SBD and investing in your account because that douche whale @themarkymark might not like it. If it's fun and easy don't even bother he'll flag you down. You've obviously never been involved in building a successful online community.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago (edited)

I know this comment was hard for you since there was nothing you could cut and paste.

They didn't get censored, you can still see them just fine or just go to YouTube and watch the original. I just didn't want to be bothered calculating the exact amount. You were not censored, your rewards were just adjusted to more accurately reflect the effort.

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makerhacks (66) · 7 years ago

Your voice is worth something
Get paid for good content.

How is automating/pasting youtube links with zero added value either your voice or good content?

a community where users are rewarded for sharing their voice. It's a new kind of attention economy.

Again, where is YOUR voice? You are adding nothing unique to the community. Zero.

I think you need to read what Steemit is about
https://steemit.com/faq.html#What_is_Steemit_com

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contentjunkie (73) · 7 years ago

You are mistaken. It is not automated with zero effort. It is manually curated to avoid duplicates and while not being a huge burden does take some effort to maintain a centralized list of recent movie trailers. Day in and day out for almost two years now. I was doing it when they made a penny or less. It's curated link shaing with a specific theme as every social network has.

The fact is there are some people that enjoy the content and the account does add something unique to the community.

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makerhacks (66) · 7 years ago

It is manually curated to avoid duplicates

So it is copypasta.

Why not spend a few more seconds to write something unique? Where is your voice in this effort?

If the only effort is remembering if you pasted the link before then it is not really what I would call adding value.

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distantsignal (64) · 7 years ago

I think what's happening here is that everyone more or less thinks it's fine you share trailers and articles, but the reward for doing so was simply too much considering the level of effort. Curating trailers or copying most of an article and "quoting it" isn't at all difficult or represent something original.

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spiritualmatters (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

Okay, I will ask the rhetorical question.

Iyho, why does Steemit allow this abuse of the reward pool? Saying they have no viable solution is an insult to developers everywhere.

Imho, I sense that there is profit for the persons with the biggest Wallets. After a few months on this platform, I believe that for many this is all the Steem platforms are really about. Not to sound negative; but, jmho.

I respect the energy put into keeping the conversation alive; but, it soon becomes like being in a room full of people, talking to the wall; because the ones with the greatest concerns, apparently aren't making the rules.

Best regards.

Peace.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Same reason I suspect the government allows people to have kitchen knives when they can be used to kill people.

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spiritualmatters (55) · 7 years ago

Ughm, let's see...kitchen knives are a good thing for a good purpose; BUT could be used for harm in the wrong hands.

I'm not sure I follow your analogy; but, carry on. Apathy is the worst thing one can let fester. Posts such as yours keep ALL mindful of the problems with the platform. Eventually, positive change will happen with reward abuse; or something new will come along, leaving this platform to resemble Facebook's current dinosaur morph.

Best regards.

Peace.

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silentscreamer (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

I truly dont understand why you would want to do this. Would it really be that hard to take it down to 2 posts a day and write a 500 word review of the trailer or whatever. Gave us your thoughts? I mean even your GPU post im looking at has like 40 words you have written.
I truly dont understand that. Instead you have a witness coming after you. Youre making the rest of us feel stupid for not upvoting ourselves to the moon, having 10 times the quality in our content.

This behavior is all just shitty shit shit shitty shit! I know its all "online, virtual, whatever", but cmon people!

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emwalker (64) · 7 years ago

Run this by those making the films and those who hold the copyrights - pretty sure you'll change your ideas about it quickly - sharing somone else's content and making money with it while not having a revenue splitting agreement is a good way to end up sleeping in a cardboard box. Do you know how fucking crazy Disney is? But what do I know..... It's not like I work in the industry..... Not like I've personally sued people over ad rev on sites streaming my films or films I'm affiliated with.

The amount of exposure you're providing for the content creator compared to the $$ you're bringing in is insanely unbalanced.

Hell why not use your platform/ status for good. Start sharing independent films / short films and do a 60/40 split with the creator - I've go a few I'd love the opertunity to make money on. Not even kidding.

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contentjunkie (73) · 7 years ago

Those making the films encourage them to be shared in this fashion hence why they publish them on a site that encourages embedding and sharing of their videos. Everything I've done is completely on the up and up as far as copyright is concerned.

This is the intended behavior for the content and a highly appropriate place to share it.

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enforcer48 (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

In all honesty, the ethical thing to do is to decline payout when you copy/paste these trailers. You shouldn't be paid for PSAs.

If you actually put in your own analysis, comments, etc. into those contents, then you can probably monetize it.

As of now, you are just setting yourself up for massive law suits when the authors/copyright holders find out about you. Last time I checked, Reddit doesn't pay out users for regurgitating what's already on the Internet. Karma points aren't money.

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contentjunkie (73) · 7 years ago

I combined my love of watching movie trailers with a nifty social network that pays you for using it. I see nothing wrong with receiving rewards for using the site as intended. People gain plenty of likes, upvotes, retweets on other social networks for sharing this type of content. I have not broken any terms of service or laws. The rights holders can revoke access to their material at any time but they won't since it's what they want. They literally pay to have these trailers shown on television.

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enforcer48 (68) · 7 years ago

I thought about a lengthy response, but I figure it's easier to keep it simple

tl;dr - It'll be easier if you just do a 500-word review. You'll get these guys off your back, and possibly save yourself some future headaches when the holders do notice.

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stabilowl (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

Sharing with other users for free and reproducing for profit is two completely different concept. You might actually be breaking some law here I am not sure.

Regardless, if you think that reposting trailers are OK arguing that it is allowed here, then remember that flagging is also allow as an organic way for users to express displease to your content. So it is not censorship, it's just part of the game. As @enuser48 suggest, why don't you just write a small review for each trailer you post? I am sure whoever is reading it would appreciate it.

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contentjunkie (73) · 7 years ago

The fact that flagging is allowed doesn't support the assertion that it doesn't result in censorship. I write reviews and summary's on my main account @movietrailers has a specific theme and some people enjoy it. It serves a niche and most certainly doesn't deserve being auto spammed as a scam.

What harm do you think is being done?

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solcross (52) · 7 years ago

That is why I said... Yeah, a bit of effort needs to be put in. You and I are saying exactly the same thing.

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isabella69 (49) · 7 years ago

In the first case we see an example of censorship of flagging an example, in the opposite direction of its opposite direction as it can download 19 user content at home, in many ways how actively posted nearly five movie trailers, which develops 30 dollars from any of them used for 200 dollars etc. Discussions come with popular power steam power steam There are a lot of issues to discuss as well yesa and steem dollar and some of these topics briefly discussed gunabalisampanna does a lot of the conversation through the fire to the talking posts

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booster (68) · 7 years ago

This comment has received a 0.28 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @isabella69.

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michelleast (50) · 7 years ago

I guess these kinds of things give you the facepalm, @themarkymark.

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samirich (60) · 7 years ago

I had some laugh when you said

Considering all he does is copy/paste, wonder where he would find enough relevant material to create a post on this unique topic.

Greed is what makes Humans act thus. Keep doing job by keeping steemit sanitised.

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viraldrome (67) · 7 years ago

I'm flagging more these days.

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rokhani (69) · 7 years ago

nice post and give enlightement
i have experience with down vote. Sometime a minnows didn't know why he got flag or down vote.
i upvote and comment a @haejin post then i got down vote from @kimjongpoo.
i was shock, in my mind i say why he down vote me?
Any way i thought possitively. It may be the way to teach me sail the steemit ocean.

llfarms (68) · 7 years ago

I hate users who just copy and paste, especially when they do it in the name of curation, but that is a topic for another day. For the record, that photo plus your title made me literally laugh out loud... thanks for that.

meno (73) · 7 years ago

Its understandable that most don't want to participate on the flag wars because

Have not enough SP to make a difference (my case)
Know that some of the abusers have agreements with some whales

Its the case of CJ here, even pointing this out puts me in harms way, but its not like this is a secret.

So to me the conversation becomes, if the ones who are supposed to protect the blockchain actively participate on its abuse. What can I possibly do?

I will concentrate on supporting good initiatives, witnesses who I believe are working on good things and hopefully those efforts will outweigh the abuse.

It's not perfect, it's not ideal... but its reality.

contentjunkie (73) · 7 years ago

What sort of abuse and harm to the blockchain do you think is transpiring?

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meno (73) · 7 years ago

I'll change my wording to something less aggressive sounding... soft farming sbd. but listen man... we may not see eye to eye on the subject but I'm not going to attack you, insult you or anything of the sort... we don't know each other, I have no reason to think you are a bad person... I'm simply stating my disagreement with the behavior, not the person.

We have to agree to disagree, because I think copy paste has no merit but you do. That's OK, we had this conversation before.

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emwalker (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

What about this guy - I've noticed he's on the Blacklist and each post gets the comment from
badcontent bot - But he's still pulling in $20 a post.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

I have been trying to get this on the SteemCleaners list.

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emwalker (64) · 7 years ago

Thanks for getting back to me - I've submitted it to them my self on discord - their response was "we don't handle videos" - ok then.

I'm spending hours / days on writing Posts - spending time and money to go out and take pictures and I usually make nothing - this guys stealing content and cashing in. The money is secondary to principal. Hard work should be rewarded - theft and scammy bullshit should be stomped out.

Keep fighting the good fight brother.

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personz (66) · 7 years ago

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personz (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks Bernie

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valued-customer (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

I appreciate your position, but I would point you to the Oxford Dictionary definition of censorship: Definition of censorship - the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc., which flagging does meet. Also...

"Every single post is still visible, not one is sub-zero, even if they were they are not censored, they are still visible."

This is your own language. Do you know why you said this? It is because you DO believe that flagging to invisibility is censorship.

I believe that censorship has a place on Steemit. It is necessary to control commercial activity that is excessively rapine, and the account you treat here is a perfect example. This is a new position for me, and I also will here acknowledge for the first time ever that I believe votebots may not be intolerable (I realize that this is the weakest way I could phrase this, but it's a big step for me!) for commercial endeavors on Steemit.

However, personal intercourse is a wholly different animal, and there, I believe, censorship has no place.

An issue here is that personal intercourse and commercial activity are somewhat inseparable on Steemit, and all social media platforms presently. This makes is difficult to reign in profiteers while not potentiating censorship of political or other personal views.

I am coming to believe that commercial and personal intercourse on Steemit should be clearly demarcated, perhaps even fueled by separate rewards pools. What do you think?

I hope you find the time and desire to reply, as I feel you are sincere as hell in your statements and hard work that you have put in to Steemit, more than almost anyone I know. It's easy to feel stuck by custom, but sunk costs aren't a good reason to keep sinking costs, so that's not a good reason to refrain from carefully considering one's position.

I have confidence that you will eventually discover that there are better means of growing Steemit and rewarding people than are currently common on the platform, and that you will remain determined to do the right thing, whatever you feel that may be.

Thanks!

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Censorship is not possible on Steemit due to the fact no one has control to remove content.

Flagging is a gift to the community

Not only does it burn their votes, it burns yours and gives it back to the community reward pool. There are no police officers patrolling Steemit removing bad content or punishing bad actors, it is left to the community to handle it.

Everyone here is all happy to receive upvotes from random people usually with no regard to a damn thing you wrote, but get a flag holy shit the world is going to end and there is a terrorist on the loose.

valued-customer (67) · 7 years ago

Your position that censorship is only the utter deletion of content isn't complete. I was just editing my comment to add the relevant portion of the Oxford English Dictionary definition of censorship: the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc...

Flagging to invisibility definitely, incontrovertibly does suppress content. Flagging can do much worse, and render accounts invisible, which @skeptic is an authority on. He has been flagged into invisibility and recovered his rep afterwards, which takes quite a bit of work.

I agree with you 100% as to the financial benefits of flagging to the community, as well as the common response to being flagged. I have often stated my belief that flagwars may be the best thing whales can do for minnows, at least that they are willing and able to do.

You probably missed the edit I just made where I state that I have acknowledged that flagging to the degree that it becomes censorship is beneficial to Steemit; that censorship itself is necessary not only to eliminate spam, scams, and criminal acts, but to reign in commercial endeavors excessively rapine, as @contentjunkie is, IMHO. I further agree that promotions for commercial activity may be appropriate--which you may recall is a HUGE change in my position that votebots are bad.

However, those both necessitate that commercial activity and personal intercourse be treated differently, because censorship of personal opinions isn't appropriate, and neither is the kind of advertising @contentjunkie undertakes for personal intercourse, and not even for commercial endeavors. Part of the problem is that votebots promote content by drawing down the rewards pool, and advertising can be profitable as a commercial endeavor itself, rather than only by attracting potential customers to your product. I think that's the only reason @contentjunkie does it.

If advertising was profitable in that way outside of Steemit, we'd never hear or read anything but advertising.

The extant code of Steemit creates these problems, and they can't be solved (IMHO) otherwise. Various mitigation attempts seem to inevitably cause more problems than they solve. Your effort to blacklist profiteers is an example, reducing your earnings per hour of work from your commercial endeavor, while unscrupulous botters that don't bother are rewarded financially for not bothering.

I apologize for the confusion caused by my late editing of my comment. Thanks for taking the time to consider my points.

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anthonyadavisii (70) · 7 years ago

Lol. I remember screencapturing some shady shit @contentjunkie did way back when but not sure where the hell I saved it. Think it may have been last minute upvoting.

Either way, I am not surprised to hear your experience nor his dislike of the flag mechanism given his track record. He's called my flagging initiatives useless.

Most honest folks I encounter appreciate anti-abuse work. Seems to me that those that do not have a track record for abuse. Just the way it is. Strange that he joined the SFR Discord server. Not sure if he noticed his label though. It's been like that for at least a couple weeks. 😂

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noobsin (56) · 7 years ago

On youtube you can post content from others but the ad revenue goes to the original creators. Maybe it is possible to establish a similar system here on steemit so the payouts go to the original creator if he has a steemit account.

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zainabshaikh (53) · 7 years ago

hello @theymarkymark

check my blog i m blacklisted plz remove blacklis status my content is good

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chriselyngascon (54) · 7 years ago

This more similar to @haejin's posts. Where he only upvotes himself. This is why @berniesanders got a rant for this matter because of his greed! How can the system stop that?

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tntdabomb (62) · 7 years ago

Flags are not censorship, but they can be. Users may choose to downvote the content merely for political reasons. The feud between Bernie and Haejin is a great example of that. Although, I also agree on using this method to eliminate spams and unoriginal content.

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chidipeters (25) · 7 years ago

He is making us all look stupid by monetizing something he didnt create.. He should kicked out totally if thats possible.. What nonsense..

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https://steemit.com/politics/@sobujdas/re-adamkokesh-qo3ix2fr-20180501t033813406z#@sunlit7/re-sobujdas-re-adamkokesh-qo3ix2fr-20180501t090017474z

sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

Off topic: Anyway while you are here...last night I ran across a comment someone made nine days ago here:
https://steemit.com/politics/@adamkokesh/t7pdwcyo#@sunlit7/re-adamkokesh-t7pdwcyo-20180424t082724133z

Look at funbobby51's comment then take a look at how this guy used the same comment here but it wasn't funbobby51:

I've heard this has been going on with people copying other people's comments and pasting them in other blogs but I don't remember who was dealing with that issue.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago (edited)

That happens a lot. There is a group of comment spammers that do one of the following.

Nice Post or equal useless comment
Flat out copy another users comment
Copy chunks from various comments on the thread, and turn them into a new Frankenstein comment

#3 is harder but there are bots that do this for you, the idea is it is very on topic and can pass off as a real comment. No one wants to waste their voting power to flag, and they hope to get the random upvote. Since it is all automated, it costs nothing.

It's about the same value as ContentJunkie (and his alt's) posts.

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sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

Frankenstein comment...lol, yeah I 've seen a few of those also, usually pretty decipherable.

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yalzeee (61) · 7 years ago

The choice of content which are flagged should be reviewed, some don't deserve to be

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

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gvincentjosephm (59) · 7 years ago

Haha I like the way you explained it. Well done sir!

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fr3eze (68) · 7 years ago

Actually I'm not sure why they are buying votes from bots as the ROI is almost certainly be negative. Or is it for visibility for more upvotes?

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solcross (52) · 7 years ago

It could be to gain more followers, exposure.... But then, quality content would have to be put up.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

LOL, what type of exposure and followers does he need? Trailers are all available on YouTube. Pretty sure everyone here knows how to find them.

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solcross (52) · 7 years ago

That was a general thought. Because I was thinking to myself... Really, why would someone use a bot, when you are likely to lose a bit. That doesn't apply to him, obviously

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yris (68) · 7 years ago

Se hace lo posible en redactar contenidos únicos. Le otorgo toda la razón.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @themarkymark!
Your post was mentioned in the Steemit Hit Parade in the following category:

Pending payout - Ranked 6 with $ 468,66

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intelliguy (68) · 7 years ago

Cheap content just creates noise for the chain. I hate this stuff as much as you do... Keep up the good work.

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gothika47 (48) · 7 years ago

What would you call "cheap content" tho? Are quotes cheap content? What about people who just spam pictures on their blog. My gaming videos? The people who stream? The daily vlogers? People just bitching at each other? I mean its hard to define "cheap content" imo. Also I think the problem is that its not HIS content.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

He likes photos that take 2 weeks to edit of young ladies. :) @intelliguy, I am mostly teasing.

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moarafatshow (53) · 7 years ago

Plagiarism in short is a crime on Steemit. Flagging is the deserved punishment for Plaigarism, When you are abusing a system you are committing a crime, it's no different to committing something life theft and selling it on the black market for a high price.

Steemit is quite small now, so many companies don't know about it but if it gains huge popularity over the years then they'll have to introduce a copyright system to protect other people's content. I am not a fan of the copyright system because it can be too strict sometimes, however it will reduce the number of plagiarised posts.

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sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

I seen a whole post on flagging, the flag was never meant, according to that article, to be abused to censor people's opinions as long as the person was being civil in their response. It's flat out wrong to flag people just because you have a different opinion or see something differently. Half this platforms problem is people fear giving their opinion out of being flagged...probably a contributing factor many bloggers who could help grow the platform leave. I agree with the use of the flag for what he was doing, I don't see anything wrong in what he was doing but for the amounts of money he was getting most definitely yes.

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stabilowl (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

Contents on steemit is supposed to be original. If you just copy and paste you are making profit from other people's creation. That is what's wrong with what he was doing

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sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

He can do that as long as it's attributed. He found a niche, nothing wrong with that, it's just not worth what he's getting for it. Ten bucks or under for his endeavor to bring movie reviews to steemit seems okay.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago (edited)

These are not movie reviews, these are trailers. It's just scraping trailers off YouTube and posting them 5+ times a day profiting off other people's work. If movie companies saw this there would be DMCA notices.

Sharing is one thing, profiting off is a very different thing.

Regardless, this is freaking ridiculous.

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sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

I agree the amount of money is ridiculous. I made a comment to a woman who was running a stock market guess what the rate will be tomorrow contest and she was ranking in hundreds. All she had to do was keep posting the same contest and writing down people's answers. We talked, I haven't checked but I think she better understands what the problem was, huge profits for little effort. Like I just said in another comment on here if the movie industry is putting stuff on Utube they know that stuff is going to get shared....maybe even edited and used as meme's. They know the risk involved putting their stuff out there and as long as he's not claiming he did the trailer it's not against the rules. If he gets sued that's on him, if you want to stop abuse of the rewards pool that's on you.

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contentjunkie (73) · 7 years ago

There is no DMCA issue. He has no clue what he's talking about. I shared URLs that link to a YouTube video. He's a computer guy so I'm guessing he's just pretending to be ignorant of the fact that these videos are all hosted on YouTube with the blessing of the rights holders. The blockchain and Steemit Inc are not hosting any copyrighted work. Any transgressions would fall on the YouTube account. That is why I try to select YouTube accounts that appear to genuinely have rights to the content as to ensure longevity of the post. It's not a huge detail but it's just one of tiny bits of effort I put into each post. I will never claim the posts are arduous but there is some effort and stamina involved.

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sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

I do have to agree with him though that the rewards you are getting are ridiculous, a lot of people been on here for quite a while writing highly intelligent stuff, putting a lot of effort into it and their post get ten, maybe fifteen bucks. We all need to be conscious of the rewards pool in order for Steemit to survive in the long run.

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contentjunkie (73) · 7 years ago (edited)

I can understand your opinion. There are a couple points I would like to bring up though.

First is I'm paying a high amount to get high reward votes to be listed high and gain exposure I'm buying up SBD on the market to spend which helps the economy and price. I'm not going to lie this usually results in a positive ROI because I like to time my bids during beneficial windows but it has also resulted in a negative ROI I've promoted these posts during bear markets as well at a loss. After you account for a 25% cut to curation and 50% coming in the form of SP not SBD the margins shrink rapidly.

Second point is that the rewarded amount will only ever go to someone else that is paying for it as long as one person is bidding in a window which is pretty much guaranteed to be the case every time. Those bots vote on a timer which uses their vote power as a countdown and then doles out the votes only to those that paid them. Those funds are carved out of the reward pool already by the bot owner's stake and essentially reserved for vote buyers. Any thoughts that I am taking away from hardworking minnows pouring their lives into content just isn't so. I'm competing with other bidders over that stake and anyone else can do it easily too.

If you have a problem with vote selling in general you should really take it up with @themarkymark he does appear to be the largest vote seller on steemit running bots I didn't even know he owned until recently looking into it. The really high paid screen grabs he likes to show were voted on by his bots.

He's the vote pusher, I'm just an addict.

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stabilowl (63) · 7 years ago

Don't you think it's wrong to copy someone's work and profit from it? If I copy but attribute your work, put on my blog and got even $10 for it while you posted it up for free, do you think that is fair for you? I feel like that was what steemit was originally design for - for creating new content, not sharing contents that someone else has done. Except for may be information that is censored otherwise, but movie trailers doesn't fall into that category does it?
Of course people are entitled for their own opinion, and that what flagging is for, so I guess that brings it back to @themarkymark's point. If it's fair call to copy other people's work and profit for it, it's fair call to be flagged for it as well, so don't whinge about it.

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sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

There's nothing wrong with what he's doing. It's allowed on here. What else you want me to say? I am sure the movie industry doesn't care...it's just another avenue getting info out to movie goers. I am sure when they put that stuff out on Utube they know people are going to share it....that's why there's a share tab. You just can't write someone's stuff and attribute it to yourself. That's the rule, I didn't make it.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

There's nothing wrong with what he's doing. It's allowed on here.

This argument is bogus. You are allowed to stab people too, but you only get in trouble after you do it. Does that make it right?

I am sure when they put that stuff out on Utube they know people are going to share it....that's why there's a share tab.

There is a big difference between sharing and profiting off other people's work.

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distantsignal (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

I found these arguments as fruitless as planting stones. They just don't give a shit. They think that because the platform "allows it" that it's okay or that because it's "promoting" the work it's okay, or because copyright is bullshit that it's okay. They just use post hock reasoning to justify unprincipled, amoral and devious behavior. They know it's destructive to the network, but they don't care. As long as they get theirs. Content skimmers and plagiarists are just thieves and thieves don't care if they hurt others.

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sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

I have spent three years blogging and most the blog sites I've been on copy and paste news article for discussion, very few only use part of a article and link....I think most news site really don't care because the link is always required, it puts their name out...free advertising, if people like the article or several articles from the site they are more apt to start following the site. More followers more advertisers advertising.

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sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

I watched four movie trailers...(though I didn't want to...lol), one came with a warning at the end that said it was copyrighted and the trailer couldn't be use for blah, blah and so on, another just said Imax was a registered trademark of Imax, and the other two had nothing at the end. So I guess it's a mixed bag, if they don't label it copyrighted material I would image all is fair game. I have seen some things removed from Utube before that song artist have done that say this was removed for copyright reasons....and I've also seen where in news articles they've placed a video off utube in the article and you go to click on it and it will say the video was removed due to copyright.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

That's all fine if you're sharing it on Facebook, the moment you start profiting from it, I guarantee if Hollywood saw it they would be all over it with lawyers.

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the1andonlyrebs (39) · 7 years ago

Totally agree, cannot simply copy/paste and expect to "win"Steemit.. People need to stop being so sensitive and cry censorship/bullying every two seconds. There is a reason flagging exist.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

I agree flags are not censorship. Huge posts attacking end users for not liking their content is dramatic and bullshit though.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Voting links to movie trailers for $200 is bullshit.

He's been abusing the system for a long time.

Huge posts attacking end users for not liking their content is dramatic and bullshit though.

What content? He doesn't make anything, he just takes other people's work.

The fact he cried in #steemitabuse for an hour about the flags and said he will make a big post about it (which I was skeptical about as I don't think he can string that many words together without stealing it from somewhere else) was the reason I made the post so the community could decide how they feel about it.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

Do what you need to I guess. Seems like we have bigger problems. Whatever.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Unfortunately, we do have bigger problems, but I can only deal with what I can handle.

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stabilowl (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

I am surprised at other people's comment here and how people don't seem to understand plagiarism is wrong. I am pretty sure no plagiarism is one of the rules when signing up. I guess one problem may be they are not realising what they are doing Is wrong since in facebook for example you just share whatever you find interesting from the web. I wonder if there is a solution to that...

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

The problem is no one is flagging and SteemCleaners can't keep up with the garbage not to mention they have a lot of strings attached to what they can actually deal with.

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stabilowl (63) · 7 years ago

I think as one other reply suggested, people fear retaliation from flagging. That's why people turn a blind eye on it.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

I don't think you understand what plagiarism is. Plagiarism is passing off someone else's work as your own. That isn't what is happening here.

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stabilowl (63) · 7 years ago

I understand what plagiarism is, and you are right, it is not straightly plagiarism. It is still not original content as steemit is intended to be. Sharing and reposting for profit is very different concept.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

What is your source, for saying that SteemIt is supposed to be about original content? According to whom?

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teenovision (52) · 7 years ago

Flags cannot be called as a censorship, but still depend on if anybody down vote the content then it will harm the one who has written the post

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dindar (63) · 7 years ago

Still observing every day, a lot of shit posts are getting well paid due to voting bots. I am not against bots, but minimum quality of a content should be maintained.

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

What about abusing the power of down-voting someone to zero, just for removing personal grudge?

No one answers that.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

I am not a fan of that but sometimes it is easier to just blanket flag than to calculate the exact amount across multiple posts to keep them visible. Then again posts are never invisible so it is really just an arguing point.

It happens though. Money fuels emotion.

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torreypines (49) · 7 years ago

Steemit benefits from useful, fresh content. The road that @contentjunkie has chosen to take is just lazy. Nice job pointing it out for the benefit of the community. We need to encourage, and if necessary, shame, others to keep steemit a vibrant community of new posts and uncopyrighted ideas.

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zorank (60) · 7 years ago

I think flagging should not be opposite as upvote. What we would need is actually upvote, downvote and flag. Let me explain why.

For example ... somebody writes a post on a football game he or she watched and I make a comment like

in my opinion team A played a better game, but has lost because referees made some mistakes ...

What happens is fans of team B will immediately attack you with some flagging, eventhough they don't actuall mean to flag you, it's just they don't agree with you. Seems flagging in this case could be pretty harsh punishment for making simple opinion.

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chifij (29) · 7 years ago

I think this platform, deserves much more than youtube reposts, nobody really comes to steemit to view what is already popular on youtube, therefore his posts just takes up space that other valuable content could have taken.

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