Flat Earth Debunked &amp; Gravitational Model Debunked by The Electric Universe Model

son-of-satire (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

I'm a little disappointed, Titus.

There's nothing wrong with entertaining new theories, but to label this as a debunking is inaccurate and misleading.

The electric universe theory requires gravity to work. Gravity is still a theory in itself, and so the electric universe is also just a theory. You can't debunk anything with a theory, only with a fact.

I would advise relabeling this to something more akin to 'a lesser known theory on the origins of the universe' as it is certainly not a debunking and I believe saying it is will dramatically lower the amount of upvotes you receive.

Just to clarify, I am a fan of your videos and I often watch them, but this is little more than an arrogant assertion of a lesser known theory, presented as fact.

This is actually the reason we see no progress in discerning the truth of the matter, because too many people speak as if they are 100% sure when they have no right to do so, which just leads to arguments rather than sharing of information to refine our understanding.

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9 votes

titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

The flat Earth "hypothesis" is completely wrong. I accurately demonstrate why it is such due to how the electromagnetic force forms planets.

The evidence presented by the Thunderbolts Project, along with other researchers more than demonstrates how the "Gravitational Model" is wrong, therefore yes debunked. There is plenty more evidence all which I referenced in the film.

If you want to argue against the evidence I presented, go for it. However to just call it "another theory" is inaccurate, because the EU theory debunks the Gravitational Model by presenting a better explanation for how the Universe and planets form. I never said "gravity doesn't exist", I merely said the electromagnetic force is far stronger and what is responsible for planet formation. Being such, all planets form with a rounded nucleus and an electromagnetic field around them just like how an atom forms.

If you can provide a better theory for the Universe formation than the EU Theory I am all ears, till then this theory is the best explanation we have and therefore debunks the gravitational model and certainly debunks the absolutely nonsense flat Earth bullshit.

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son-of-satire (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

There are hundreds of versions of the flat earth hypothesis, plenty that I have not had the time to look into and I'd wager that you have not either.

However to just call it "another theory" is inaccurate, because the EU theory debunks the Gravitational Model

You just called it a theory yourself there. Until we can get up into space and see for ourselves, without relying on NASA's often deceptive intel, we know nothing. We are merely ascribing to whichever theory we believe holds the most water.

But we need to stop with all this 100% debunked shit, because all it does is draw a line in between us and whomever ascribes to the theories that we are allegedly disproving. I feel this gets us nowhere.

If you can provide a better theory for the Universe formation than the EU Theory I am all ears, till then this theory is the best explanation we have and therefore debunks the gravitational model and certainly debunks the absolutely nonsense flat Earth bullshit.

Having a better theory does not debunk a theory that is not as good. It only adds another theory into the list of options. Also, it is a completely subjective opinion that this theory is any better than the other two, the facts are interpreted in a way to suit the theory.

I'm not here to put forth a better theory. I'm only here to advise you, respectfully, to not claim to have proven something false simply because you believe your theory is more likely. That is unscientific and unethical.

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9 votes

cobceo (56) · 8 years ago

I appreciate your thoughtful and wise comments son of satire I thought the 'flat earthers were cray cray until I read and studied and now i am pretty sure it is not what we were told in school, as far as the globe model, but i am not sure how to describe it. I am still open minded about it. I will learn more about your proposed theory titus to see if it works in with my thoughts.

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son-of-satire (69) · 8 years ago

Thanks, I think that's the right attitude. To go into everything with a completely open mind and be ready to have your mind changed upon the discovery of new information.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

The flat Earth hypothesis is proven false in my video. You cannot have a flat Earth:

when ships sail over the horizon

Furthermore you are changing the subject and dodging. I don't care if there is a million different "hypothesis's" that claim the Earth is flat, they are all wrong unless you can show me:

just one physics model that shows how a single planet forms flat

I'll be waiting forever, because it doesn't exist because the Earth is not flat, which has been proven emphatically over and over again.

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son-of-satire (69) · 8 years ago

I know not why you sound so offended. I'm merely advising you not to take such a rigid stance on something you have no way of proving.

Also, why are using huge text? This is unnecessary, especially when considering the content you have chosen to enlarge.

Ships disappear over the horizon... Says who?

For your information:

As for a physics model that shows how a plane is formed, there doesn't need to be one. To those that ascribe to the flat Earth model, or at least to most, the Earth was created by God.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

How did I know you were a flat Earther. The confirmation bias is oozing through your replies. There is a multitude of evidence showing how boats disappear over the horizon, including seeing it with my own eyes. Obviously you didn't watch the playlist of videos I assembled, or even the video I made, at this point I am done responding to someone who is arguing about a video they didn't even bother to watch.

Ship over the Horizon repeated:

Dogcam footage showing curvature:

I am done.

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jacobtothe (70) · 8 years ago

Gravity is not a theory. its effects are measurable and predictably consistent. Only its causes remain debated, because it doesn't seem to fit into a unified field theory along with nuclear forces and electromagnetism. Nonetheless, Einstein's theory remains plausible and verified by experimentation.

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ironshield (69) · 7 years ago

Excellent. Following, upvoting @ironshield

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max-float (30) · 8 years ago (edited)

I dove into the Flath Earth Theory some months ago, but I am not a very technical or mathematical thinker. Some days ago I asked to my friend to look at this with me. He quickly pointed out the the fact that Polaris is not visible on the southern hemisphere. In a Flat Earth Model, it should be visible. So far, I have not heard a reasonable explanation how this would fit in a Flat Earth.

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4 votes

ironshield (69) · 7 years ago

It's too far away to see. I know that sounds too simple of an explanation, but it's true. We only see the world within a 'bubble' of vision in all directions. Steem on!

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kerriknox (57) · 7 years ago (edited)

No, it's not 'too far away to see', else the Southern cross would also be 'too far away' for people in Johannesburg , Tierra del Fuego, and New Zealand to all see at the same time. People in the southern hemisphere cannot see Polaris because it's hidden by the EARTH.

Stop posting nonsense and do some actual research instead of listening to cult gurus. Please end the ignorance and do the research.

Not to mention the fact that star trails in the Southern hemisphere show star trails with the Southern cross in the CENTER and star trails going in the opposite direction as stars in the Northern Hemisphere. There is no explanation for that on a flat earth, but a perfectly good explanation for that on a round earth.

Please stop the ignorant postings of easily verifiable things that are easily refuted.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Lolz, once again that is my video, this is the show notes and the steemit blog for my video.

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ironshield (69) · 7 years ago

Hey cheetah, stop BOThering people posting their own content. It's all good! @ironshield

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uglytruth (33) · 8 years ago

The simplest proof that the earth is not flat is from sunsets and timezones. The sun sets at the same time for everyone on a flat earth, but the sun sets at different times for people in different timezones.

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ironshield (69) · 7 years ago

I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round I really love to watch them roll...

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https://steemit.com/flatearth/@kerriknox/the-flat-earth-map-is-actually-a-globe

kerriknox (57) · 7 years ago (edited)

Still doesn't explain the ACTUAL time zones that we see in reality. Ugly truth is incorrect that a flat earth cannot have time zones, however, a flat earth would not have half the earth in darkness and half in light at the same time... unless god gave it a magic lampshade!

Also, it does not explain 24 hour polar days in the differing poles. So, please show me a model that can show:

circumnavigation of Antarctica
24 hour north pole and south pole days
Differing star trails in the poles
28 day moon phases
Predictable lunar and solar eclipses
Seasons

etc.

When you can do that, then you'd have to stop using a FLAT GLOBE MAP for your model and use an actual globe! Flat earhers can't even figure out that their OWN MAP is a globe map! Hell, your map doesn't even have accurate DISTANCES that anyone could navigate on! You have Southern hemisphere countries gargantuan in comparison to reality!

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ironshield (69) · 7 years ago

Flat-earthers are born by debunking flat earth. @ironshield

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