RE: When Governments Take Over Education, Young Minds Suffer

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When Governments Take Over Education, Young Minds Suffer

in freedom •  7 years ago  (edited)

You do relize that for the last 50 years money has poured ino public "education" at a steadily increased rate while, proficiency and literacy has steadily dropped don't you?

The DOD is money pit making the DOE a money pit doesn't fix the problem. You literally believe that if government didn't fund schools there would be a vacum that no person or organization would be willing to fill?

Americans are extremely benevolent. Private giving exceeds government funded foreign aid.

When people shreik about a government program being cut such as endowments for the arts they sweat a few hundred thousands of dollars per year for the endowments while totally ignoring that the private sector benefactors pours money into art in the billions.

We can do way better, and spending more money on the current model that is 100 years old and dates back to pre ww1 Germany isnt going to make it any better.

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The reason public schools are failing is because they are not getting enough money, because it is being wasted on other things like the DoD. The same way private schools fail when they don't have enough money so do public schools. There are currently about 80 million Americans enrolled in public schools in this country what would happen to them if the public school system would shut down?

You literally beleivw that if government didn't fund schools there would be a vacum that no person or organization would be willing to fill?

I said no such thing nor do I believe it, there are plenty of private schools in this country already and anyone who wishes to can attend one if they are allowed by the private school, and I have no problem with that I support democracy and freedom of choice.

The problem is converting to a privatized education system is not better by any means, it will simply create a nation of rich and poor. Sure changes should be made to improve the system but that requires competent people to run our government. Unfortunately the government is being taken over by corporatists who want to privatize everything because it will mean more profits for them. It is not a coincidence Betsy DeVos is the Sec of Education, she bought her way into the position so she can destroy the public school system so her and her family/friends can continue making money from their private schools.

•"The reason public schools are failing is because they are not getting enough money, "

There is no imperical evidence for this whatsoever.

Multiple studies have shown despite tripling federal spending on education over the last 30 years SAT scores and aptitude have either remained unchanged or declined.

Public schools have had 100 years in the US to prove their superiority. Time to move on.

It's 2017, not 1917.

Never in the history of the world has there been a time where there has been greater ease of access to knowledge.

Most people have a computer in their pocket that they chose to use for social media and selfies instead of signing up for free courses via Kahn acadmey or MIT ONLINE.

I'm not buying what you're selling...

I have no expaction to convince you of your fallacious thinking on this subject

Yet we do seem to agree the DOD spends entirely too much money on terrible things.

My thinking is not fallacious is it based on simple math.
There are about 80 million Americans enrolled in public schools.
There are about 90 thousand public schools in America.
There are about 3.5 million teachers employed, that is just teachers, the total number of Americans employed in some sort of job pertaining to public schools is probably 10+ million.
This is a system that affects about 30% of the US population, and you seem to think that replacing it with a privatized system would improve it.

There is no imperical evidence for this whatsoever.

There are plenty of articles written on this subject of how public schools are under funded, can't pay their bills, etc, etc....

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+public+schools+in+america+are+underfunded&oq=how+public+schools+in+america+are+underfunded&aqs=chrome..69i57.12543j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

There is one reason and one reason only why public schools are failing, they are not getting enough money, converting them to for profit private schools will not solve this problem.

All businesses/organizations fail for the same reason, does not matter if they are capitalist, private, public, socialist, etc. it is always lack of funding/revenue. There are plenty of private schools in the US that fail and shut down for this same reason.

No business ever in the history of economics said, oh yes our business would perform better if we got less revenue this year...

Also you keep mentioning the increase in funding for public schools, unfortunately it is not enough, simply because of population increase

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cZso3hCgPrFgZrvVrasR1KNNIgnIV2S_/view?usp=drivesdk

Seriously... your going to have to do better than a few opinion columns related to a google search.

The data is in and it's fairly solid.

Correlation between spending more on students and enhancing performance is not existent in any real sense.

Ok... and where is your solid data that private schools are a better solution?

When schools don't have enough money to hire teachers or pay their bills that is not an opinion, that is a mathematical fact.

https://www.npr.org/2016/04/18/474256366/why-americas-schools-have-a-money-problem

The schools that have better funding do a better job at teaching children, this is true both for public and private schools. You want the public school system to be more successful than it needs more funding, it really is that simple. Replacing public schools with private schools will not increase funding, it will create schools for rich and poor and the 17 million American children who live in poverty will not be able to afford any private school.