My Privacy Run In With Big Brother Tonight: A Small Incident That Has Me Awake & Posting At 3am.

in freedom •  8 years ago  (edited)

I'm awake laying in bed right now writing this post on the same phone that gave me a bit of a shock last night. We all are aware that we are spied on and some of us take small, sensible precautions to try to minimise this.

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I watch what I say around the phone when discussing some topics for example so Google can't harvest my every opinion on controversial topics, I've never consented to a browser caching my credit card details (although now I notice that Chrome does this and asks if I'd like to populate Web payment field with my most recently used card) and I always minimise the permissions that apps have on my phone especially related to access to call & text history, contact information, video, audio & location. I'm dubious that these permissions are honored but I try.

So last night we just felt like Indian. I searched on Google using my phone for Indian restaurants in my suburb. Found one and viewed it in Google maps. We drove there and found the info was stale as the restaurant had closed down. We then parked and walked around the streets looking for alternatives. We happened to find another Indian of a different name a few blocks away. Great! Let's order here.

Now I had my phone in my pocket and my wife had hers too. We spoke with the lady at the counter and I googled "Samosa" on my phone there to show the lady and query whether they had that on the menu. I paid with my credit card and then we wandered the complex waiting for our order.

After 20 min or so I was back in the shop collecting the bags and driving home. We'd not yet started to eat when a notification beeped on my phone. It appeared to be Maps asking me to rate my experience patronising the exact Indian place we'd purchased from. The restaurant was referenced correctly by name & I was somewhat struck numb.

I really felt violated. I know I avoid opting in on any service or feature that would allow the communication of information required to assess my activities like this. I am fairly certain it would have required a combination of inputs; likely my GPS location along with tower information, it may have referenced my two google searches to take a stab at the likely type of culinary purchase I was making but the fool proof input would have been the vendor information on the credit card I used to by that Google has their grubby mits on. I don't ever use tap and pay on the phone. Haven't even configured it.

I clicked on the phone request out of interest & it had my full name (google account) at a page where reviews can be posted for dining establishments in Maps. Again, they got the restaruant name and location spot on.

I hated it. It just really got to me. So I'm up typing about it. My wife's phone didn't ask for a review and she'd left the same geo breadcrumbs and was exposed to the same voice conversations more or less.

I think I'm going to start usung cash more (while it's still a thing). It's inconvenient but I'm going to do it.

I hate the fact that my car reports not only my location but driving telemetry, vehicle health, time to next service, parts needed, wear levels and all sorts of other stuff back to the dealer network. It even predicts a convenient time to book your next service with the dealer so it must have schedule algorithms running based on my usual movements. Perhaps it's time to get serious about opting for a "dumber" tow rig.

I've got a not-so-smart (probably naughties) vintage Samsung phone that I may dust off and start using. I'd hate to swap sim cards around but aside from the odd browse of the net at lunch and texting I don't use the phone much when out of the house.

I have years of history in gmail and google calendar alone that's very integral in how I plan my life. That'd be a mess to disassociate from but I do have another paid email account hosted out of the US that I use for certain things and maybe I could use that more heavily.

I could set up and an Ubuntu box at home for general browsing use. Been toying with that idea for a while too.

I'd really like to know the cache of information big brother has stored on me. I'd wager it'd be frightening.

Does anyone else worry about the implications of the increasing big brother in-the-pocket situation? Could you go back to checking email once a day at home? Would it make me more suspicious by not having the typical smart phone footprint? There isn't much that keeps me up at night but for some reason this issue is one. In my experience that means a gut feeling that is not wise to ignore.

Thanks for reading my late ramblings and as always, constructive comments welcome!

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  ·  8 years ago (edited)

I posted about smart phones a while back. They are ideal tracking devices. People really have no idea how bad it is either. If you want privacy, leave the phone at home. They are watching and listening all the time just like McAfee constantly warns. Even his Secure Phone concept doesn't solve all the problems. Your location can still be found for example.

Where do people have their most intimate conversations? They usually happen in bed at night. Where are their smart phones placed? They are placed right next to them. It doesn't matter if they are "off" either. I've turned my phone off at night to wake up to it being on too.

I agree @finnian. The only real "off" is battery removal. Perhaps I'll leave it off and out of the bedroom. I will use my watch to get me up in the morning. Great to hear a like minded individual.

I'm going to be tired in the morning!

People sleep way better when there's no wifi, other electrical signals, or EMI. It's good to have the phone off for that reason alone. :) Yeah, they are making more and more phones with batteries you cannot take out, and that's not by accident.

Pokemon Go.
That is all.

Our technology is a double-edged sword. It makes our lives easier while also tracking our every movement.

I'm pretty sure you can turn off most, if not all, of the reporting that your apps do back to Google. Even the Google based ones like Maps. Search your settings and return yourself to a place of peace, my friend.

Yep, will do that for what it's worth. Thanks @richhersey!

What you experienced was marketing, not big brother, or the gov, yet... google is the worst. Right now it's about and being sold as serving you ads that you want to see. It's also conditioning.

I don't watch tv but did see a commercial that had a guy stuffing things in his jacket like a shoplifter only to be stopped at the exit by the cashier telling him he forgot his receipt. Like there would be a cashier, but whatever.

I feel you are right to be concerned. The ground work is being laid.

I agree too with this. There are privacy settings like turning off google ads, erase gps history, and more. Since i no longer use gmail (but my account is still on, not active) i changed to tutanota.com and protonmail.com, but before doing that i disabled a loooooong time ago these privacy settings but cant remember where you do that.

I've definitely gone the way of non google email and sometimes use startpage for more private searching. I just wonder how much of a difference these steps actually make! Thanks @cama73ven

You are welcome

In some ways, I think marketing is becoming more scary than government in this area.

What if they're one and the same. It is scary when you get those "how did it know that? " moments!

If you ever want to read something truly frightening, read The Thor Conspiracy, by Larry Burkett. It's religious in nature, but his thoughts verge on the prophetic... Gives you a chill to think about what COULD happen...

For now yes it's about the advertising and the dollar but it's a very slippery slope and the data is already collected for when things turn more nefarious.

Agree with the conditioning too. Great reply, thanks @aboutyourbiz

We're headed down the slope no doubt, and it's creepy no matter how you slice it.

People are now choosing to put listening devices in our houses by the name of Alexa or Google Home that are processing speech in real time that can (and are) activating on certain key words or phases. It's frightening how this kind of technology could be abused.

Glad I'm not alone in detesting the introduction of these (especially voluntarily)! I remember my grandmother speaking of how careful you had to be just speaking privately about certain topics in nazi Germany and that was with 30s & 40s tech!

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Welcome to 2017 where the right to privacy is a joke.

Privacy is an illusion. I have other stories illustrating that too. It's still a shock when you are reminded of it! Thanks for the comment @littlebitfarm!

I hate it when my phone asks me to rate my experience everywhere I go and asks if I'd like to share photos. Also the malls seem to have some way of tracking my phone because as soon as I walk I start getting offers from various shops...
it's totally insane!!!

Its because when you click on i agree the terms you are done, your privacy goes to vacation and google replaces it. Change your google privacy settings (cant remember where you do that, its been years since i no longer use google stuff except translator and with a proxy). Also every chrome installation comes with an unique id, search on how to change your id.
Instead of using google.com use www.ixquick.com, it gives you the same google results but changes the original ip for other, so google doesnt know who is making the search request. its basically a proxy for google searches.

I know its ridiculous, but I feel locked into google. They have my email account, which lately I am regretting ever getting. I use DuckDuckGo, sometimes for search, but they are currently like a hydra, literally everywhere you go. You cut off the head of the snake one place, they pop up somewhere else. People have been making a big deal over Amazon, but Amazon, has never invaded anybody's life like Google!

Use www.ixquick.com, it does the search in google using another ip, that is my default search engine

Thank you. I will check that out.

Sure, anything i can do to help just call me :-)

Sounds like how startpage.com works.

startpage takes your search query, goes to google.com and return the results. google doesn't know who you really are.

It was likely through wifi. Even when wifi is "off" it says in the settings that it can still be used to find your location.

Good point I had neglected to think of that @littlejoeward. Well it'll have a rough time finding my location when I leave my phone at home!

It's not rambling, it's totally resonating with me!!! OMG my fiance and I were in the car driving one day and having this long drawn out deep spiritual conversation....when "Shannon" the google maps voice butts in....no kidding. Neither of us touched our phones and they were in the console charging. WTH???? It's getting to us too.....oh and believe me, we are waaaaaay far down the rabbit hole at this point. Just research fluoride. It doesn't stop here man....drink some chamomile before bed tonight....just don't use tap water!!!

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I have several devices. I'm planning to dump Google and Android completely in this future. For now I set up lots of different Google accounts. None of my devicesi are linked. All devices have different Google accounts with different aliases. Location based services are switched off.

Google are becoming communist. Stop trusting these idiots with your personal information.

The only way you can totally get away from them is to completely stop using all of their sevices.

To help you minimize the control, change your gmail password in your computer NOT phone, then restart the phone. If you use gmail from the phone ignore what i said, but if you dont use gmail in your cell leave the old password in the cell google wont have access to your phone anymore.
Eventually the phone will ask you to put the new password since cant make synchronization, its up to you give it or not your new password.

*computer NOT in the phone...

I had a similar experience with my phone. Not with gps but with a phone conversation with my doctor and an ad targeting me.

I had a phone conversation with my doctor to make an appointment for radiocardiogram the next day. It was a brief conversation around 2 minutes.

On the hour long bus ride over to the radiocadiologist's office I was listening to Pandora radio. I had 3 ads for radiocardiologists. I was creeped out. I've never heard an ad for radiocardiograms on Pandora ever and didn't know what ome was until I asked my doctor what it was on the phone.

There is only two explainations. Total coincidence or that I was being targted with this ad by Pandora. If it were the latter it would would be two explainations.

  1. The doctor's office sells my health records to ad agencies.
  2. My conversation was being recorded as a text file and being sold to ad agencies.

It probably isn't the second one but I wouldn't be suprised if it is possible.

Thanks for sharing your story with us wish you the best

I wish that for us all! Thanks @decorations

faaark

Yeah!

I was watching tv this evening and an ad came on for this google house device. You tell it to do something, and it does.
All I can think of right now is doomsday the machines fight back stuff. Or that will ferrell movie where the robots are in all the homes only to turn on people.
It truly scares the shit out of me, especially now since they're implementing micro chips into people. Soon you won't be able to function without one.
Living as a sovereign right now, I have an incredibly difficult time trying to function outside the system with just cash. Almost everything requires a valid credit card and you can't seem to get one unless you have government ID.
This experience is unsettling.

Well articulated @knownassam. The google home phenomenon is beyond disturbing and what I don't see is any intelligent push back from society. We here are of a niche mindset so, with that in mind, it's lovely to meet your Internet acquaintance

None!!! There's absolutely none!!!
Like... I GET the idea is cool. The technology is neat no doubt.
But do you want a corporate super giant in every aspect of your lives...???
Holy shit. :/

I've even steered clear of IOT devices, Internet fridges and smart (listening) TVs for that reason.

Smart choice.
Very smart choice.
The radiation from those devices ain't the greatest either.
We have wifi, that's it. I don't even have a smart phone. LOL.

Good move. Got my watch going again and the band replaced so I'm ready to use it for an alarm and leave the phone out in the kitchen overnight switched "off"

There's watches with alarms...???