You do know that Bukarin's good mate in England (Herzen at al - their Russian publication - was funded by a Rothschild loan? Now why would they do that? lol).
Useful idiots to a man...just sayin'
...Communism is a Rothschild brain child -(why else would the US banks and Germany fund Lenin in his bolshevik revolution?) and it is now where crapitalism is leading to right now, interestingly..
(centralized means of production by any name. Apple, amazon, google. etc.)
...fundamental principles of communism (no money or authority is naivety and illogical).
Communism can work but does not scale up without centralization , leading to totalitarian regimes, ultimately.
It's flawed logic that doesn't take into account human beings, human nature, and laws of economics ,( natural laws of efficiency, not man made models).
(I've read one of those authors a long long time ago, and I'm not ignorant of communism and it's mechanics, and principles, btw )
I do know the irrelevance of debating details of people long dead.
The facts are, the workers can simply continue doing the work, while refusing to play crapitalism by paying to get that work back from the wealthy and the world doesnt end.
On any given tuesday proper management brings us as close to utopia as we can get.
We dont have to call that communism, we dont have to delineate who owns the factories, we only have to properly manage resources to end wars and poverty.
The only people that get mad are the folks that like the misery inflicted onto others by the status quo, and their dupes.
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The factories are free? the plant machinery is free? the infrastructure is free?
It has to be paid for in advance by someone. If it's not stolen money, it's capitalism...
If its assets seized, its communism.
I don't like theft.
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Who built the factories?
Who does the fruit of that labor belong to if not the progeny of those that did it?
Very few factory 'owners' poured even one yard of concrete, or stacked one brick upon another.
Workers built this world, not 'owners'.
Anything controlled by a bank, or corporation, is ill gotten, and fair game in my book.
Even believing this, we dont have to disposses the owners.
They can continue in their positions.
Why they would want to is beyond me, they could be doing anything they desire.
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They are the enemy of capitalism (crony)
This has zero to do with the dynamic of what capitalism is.
Zero.
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Once rule by force comes off the table this debate becomes moot.
Coercion is the problem, not the specific management style.
Though, my bet is still on mutual aid rather than competition.
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except on a local scale, communism has to use force - too many people with different opinions...that's the whole point.
Localized communism is possible.
...but the very lack of communist model companies shows how they just don't work..
....Otherwise there would already be the dominant model.
Voluntary models that is - if they were any good - but they aren't..
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Nope.
It has to offer a better return on the people's time.
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...to offer a better return means an objective calculation of value......the only way to ascertain objective value is price discovery mechanism...capitalism anyone?
(Artificial price fixing is nothing to do with value, only control)
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should the mutual aid be voluntary or imposed? should people have the freedom to compete who can offer the best solutions? I want to be able to choose and support the service providers I value the most, as they meet my needs better than anyone else... why should I not have this freedom?
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If only it were that simple,...
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(whispers)...here's the con....it is..
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Or, we could treat each other like tribe members and not make our fellow human beings pay for using our knife, maybe even make one for him to have of his very own.
I dont see the world as improved if we tell our brother, 'well you could've used my knife but you have nothing to trade', or 'well i would give you a chunk of meat, but you dont have a knife, so starve'.
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'coulda, should, woulda' - it doesn't change reality.
Pretending nature doesn't exist, doesn't mean it will disappear.
We are a part of nature, not separate from it.
Every animal on this planet does any action for it's own advantage.
Altuism is a myth.
This is a natural dynamic. We are a natural beings.
You could argue that the issue is 'do you accept you are part of natures rhythms, or not?'
To not be, is by definition, against the order of things...?
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Why is it irrelevant to find out the motivations that sell snake oil?
It gives an sight into the motivations behind the actions of these people (selling ideologies that can never work, for example)
Does this not seem relevant?
...like Marx being 2nd cousin of Rothchilds. Does that not ring any alarm bells about the doctrine, and potential propaganda that might have been employed...?
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Because moving forward relies on what we do and think, not what they left in writing for us.
Ive never read marx, and dont reference his material, at all.
Kropotkin is my guy.
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Yep, you wont find anything but denigration of him in my writings.
If the banksters want us to know his name that xxx's him out, for me.
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....is it not a good idea to know what he wrote? (for the whole picture if nothing else)...just sayin'
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Ive got better things to do with my time than spend it reading something bankster approved, for now.
I thought i should read it, too.
Just to say i had.
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u ignorant! :D I love when people start with: you are projecting, you are ignorant, you don't know, you are a bigot...
It makes it so much easier when they introduce themselves.
Oh, the irony!
Jabotinsky was one of the Zionists who was sponsored by Rothschild. They cooperated and sponsored Hitler to move Jews to a desert... also bought by R. Hitler's materials built it. Jews did not want to go, so Zionists paid Hitler to force them or kill them. This is where the trains were going from concentration camps... that had theaters, swimming pools, operas, football teams...
Communism was created by Zionists who started the Bolshevik revolution. First USSR government was 99% Jewish.
Zionists created KGB. Created Hitler. Slaughtered 100 million people (100 million also in China), now they are doing the same to Palestine... Israel is a socialist country... with some free trade... but why notice the reality... instead call people ignorant :D because that make you awesome :D this person is trolling my Voluntaryism posts... really hard to reason with insanity
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