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chalidore (54) · 7 years ago

So you believe it is possible to simultaneously be an anarchist and capitalist, but you don't think it is possible to be both a socialist and a capitalist?
Many of the tenants of anarchism run in direct contradiction to capitalism, but that doesn't mean individuals can't adopt principles of both philosophies. It is hypocritical to go around calling yourself an anarcho-capitalist while telling others they can't just go around taking two political platforms and creating unique hybrids.
What exactly do you find so hard to believe about someone that owns a small business and votes Democrat. Sixty-four million of us voted for Hillary Clinton. Do you think we are all communists?
I will gladly read your blog. I will even spend more than 30 seconds on it, because when I read something, I like to read it in it's entirety.
If you want to make an effort to understand how I can be both a socialist and a capitalist, I wrote a blog entry you should read.

capitalistcat9 (46) · 7 years ago (edited)

No not even close. Free market capitalism is anarchy no regulation. You can sell nukes from your lemonade stand.

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chalidore (54) · 7 years ago

Also, are you seriously trying to tell me that a world where people could buy nukes at a lemonade stands would be a good thing?

capitalistcat9 (46) · 7 years ago (edited)

Chaos not disorder and chaos isn't necessarily bad you've been programed to believe it is. Rules not rulers. What's hard to understand that more people didn't vote than did. Presidents are selected not elected. You answered your own question the key word is private not government. Socialism is about robbing people (taxes) and try to justify it with useless social programs.

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chalidore (54) · 7 years ago

I provided you with textbook definitions. Chaos is not mentioned in either. You can't just invent your own definitions. The dictionary is not trying to restrict your freedom, it is there as a guide to keep you from making an ass of yourself.
I have seen enough chaos to determine that order is better. If you want chaos, go to a third world country. Order keeps people alive and safe. Order is necessary for a civilization to prosper.
The sort of capitalism that thrives in chaos is usually dangerous and predatory. Why would you want people to buy nukes at lemonade stands? How do you feel about other forms of dangerous and predatory capitalism. People are using bitcoins for human trafficking and child pornography. Is that the sort of thing you are into?
Capitalism versus socialism is a very old debate. I don't expect you to abandon capitalism, nor should you expect me to abandon socialism. I am simply advocating for tolerance, education, and understanding on both sides.
Our nation currently practices socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor. A democratic republic should be able to use both capitalism and socialism to create prosperity and opportunity for all citizens equally. Such a system is better for entrepreneurs that conduct themselves honestly. I was in sales for years, both as an employee, and as an independent small business owner. The most common objection I heard was lack of money. The most common reason for that lack of money was medical bills and prescription drug costs. The drug companies are price-gouging people on life-saving medicine, while they advertise hard-on pills during the Super Bowl. The pharmaceutical industry charges Americans ten times as much as they charge Canadians for the exact same drugs. They spend twice as much on marketing and advertising as they spend on research and development. This is not sustainable. A social safety net is good for business. When consumers have money, they spend it. Capitalists benefit greatly from having healthy and educated employees and customers. I know this, because I lived it. Read the blog entry I posted earlier for the gory details.
Democratic Socialists are not advocating some radical and unrealistic extreme of either socialism or capitalism. We are simply saying that The United States needs to get caught up to the rest of the civilized world when it comes to our healthcare system. Democratic Socialists are not trying to destroy capitalism, we just believe in organizing against giant corporations when they poison and exploit us. We believe that those who benefit most from our national infrastructure should be the ones to pay for it. To me, that makes a lot more sense than selling nukes at lemonade stands.

capitalistcat9 (46) · 7 years ago

Giant corporations wouldn't exist without government backing. And really all I get from that big long ramble is you want the government to hold your hand and you want them to enforce your beliefs.

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chalidore (54) · 7 years ago

The biggest corporations are international. I agree that governments shouldn't be backing giant corporations, but you can't say they wouldn't exist without government backing. Plenty of international corporations exist without government backing.
I am doing everything I can to educate and enlighten you about the complexities of the current geopolitical situation, and you are being dismissive and hyper-simplifying. It's rude.
I'm not asking you to change your mind about anything. I'm just asking you to consider other points of view without demonizing people.
If you think that all 64 million of us that voted for Clinton are communists, you have a very hateful and distorted perspective.

capitalistcat9 (46) · 7 years ago

I'm going to say it one more time I didn't vote I don't vote I don't care who you voted for because honestly in my opinion you wasted your time either way. I don't like government I definitely don't like socialism yes I do know the difference between communism. Universal health Care is wrong on many levels. I want people to be free and independent not the mindless slaves we got today.

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gamer00 (67) · 7 years ago

Wow, you and @chalidore are both batshit crazy. ;D

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chalidore (54) · 7 years ago (edited)

Anarchy is defined as "a state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority." Capitalism is defined as "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."
A SYSTEM of trade and industry CONTROLLED by private owners is pretty fucking far from disorder and lack of authority.
As I have clearly demonstrated, anarchism and capitalism directly contradict each other by very definition. That does not mean that components of both can not be combined to create something else.