GOLD: Are you a GOLD Bug? Just Because It Glitters Doesn't Mean you Can't Wait to Buy!steemCreated with Sketch.

in gold •  7 years ago  (edited)

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On the equity side, I believe we could see a fantastic first 2 or 3 quarters....like near double of DOW and SPX. Yes, yes...I know who the permabears are out there constantly calling for the skies to fall on the markets. It matters none to me as they've been doing that since March of 2009 and have been more wrong than a broken clock!

IF the equity market does near double; well, gold could fall because they are inversely correlated...right? NO! Not to me. I don't believe that such inverse correlation is a reliable indicator because they only are until they are not. I've often discussed the phasic and non-phasic nature of even cryptos. Many now think that if Bitcoin (BTC) rises, then the Altcoins will decline and the inverse. Not so, IMHO. The cycles of the Bitcoin and Altcoins happen to have overlaps (phasic) and segragated (non-Phasic) episodes. There are successful traders who use such cycles e.g. Hurts Cycles; but I have not gained the expertise. My method of analysis takes each and every article on its own merits for Elliott Waves and Chart Patterns. Of course, I scan and observe for market conditions and influences; but my analysis is primarily based on price being the purest and earliest reflection of sentiment and so price only matters.

The below chart represents a weekly chart of the precious metal: Gold. Allow me to take you through the chart. From the left, Gold completed a beautiful and vintage impulse wave of five waves. Elliott Waves states that after five waves, there is a requisite a,b,c correction. Sure enough, after reaching a high of $1,921; the correction started back in August of 2011 and has been continuing its mortifying decline of five red waves to complete the blue (a) wave of the correction. The blue (b) wave is always composed of three subwaves and its subwaves have been labeled accordingly. The first red wave 1 of the blue (c) wave completed and it seems the red wave 2 has also completed. This wave 2 of blue (c) wave also seems to be displaying a bear flag pattern; a highly befitting pattern for impending declines to come. That leaves red waves 3,4,5 of blue (c) and their completions could bring a long awaited closure to the Precious Metal bear market. I show red wave 5 of blue (c) ending at around $765 or so. Perhaps, the next time you hear someone call for GOLD targeted for $5,000 and Silver to $600, consider waiting and do your due diligence!

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I would love to see more of these commodity and stock analysis charts @haejin!

We all know crypto is where it's at now, but there will be a bear market one day, and I would love to learn how to apply your chart analysis to stocks and commodities as well, to be ready to jump onto them when the time is right!

Yes!! Silver also please @haejin

Yes!

I would also love to see more of commodity and stock analysis.

He said that some market manipulation by banks make the charts more difficult to read, would be great if he made some posts on it to explain how to deal with it.

Amen!

https://www.tradingview.com/x/q7Rhh2cM/ no bear market look fractial

Great call Haejin,
I have been saying on @marketreport for years that there could be a flush on PM's. Who's crazy now?
Gold could go down to $800
Silver could go down to $6
I hope to buy 10,000 more ounces at the bottom.
Be well...

Woa that's surprising. I guess with crypto being so dominate, ppl are just moving money from other assets into crypto!

In MicroEconomics, it's called Grisham's Law. Bad money drives out the good money. People are opting out of fiat and opting into cryptos.

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haejin,
What about Silver? Are you also bearish on Silver?

Master this time you are wrong you miss fractial https://www.tradingview.com/x/q7Rhh2cM/

Even your comments are educational. Thank you so much for all the information.

Gold will always be a solid investment and a good place to put your crypto profits for the long term- like cold storage

You should never use a word "always" when it comes to investments.

I agree but gold and silver are a storage of wealth to me not a investment i put fiat that i dont plan on touching for at least 10 years in to gold snd silver

I agree, except for gold...

Can we use 'never ' ? :-p

no

@theessential @hashbox , I agree with both of you... gold could be an interesting place to put some crypto profits (and funny: taking fiat --> crypto --> gold or fiat --> crypto --> fiat --> gold)... AND we "should never use a word always" nor never and ever... cheers.

Luckily, there are bitGold and bitSilver available in BitShares DEX.

Why wouldn't you want the real thing if you dont hold it you dont own it

I would agree in with “always” not being the right word in most context. Gold is a non renewable resource the has done nothing but go up over the years. As the supply becomes more and more scarce it will continue to rise. So I stand by my always remark when talking of gold.

Don't forget that it's possible, and becoming more viable, to mine asteroids in flight. This added variable can significantly increase the supply of metals like platinum, gold, silver, etc.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-mining-asteroids/gold-rush-in-space-asteroid-miners-prepare-but-eye-water-first-idUSBRE9AK0JF20131121

Yes !!! But in that case we have to count the costs of mining and shipping it to earth ...

I guess there is plenty of asterioids to go round hahah good point

That is if you believe there is an `Outer Space' to visit, even if we can get there, that everything that NASA puts out, from claimed Moon landings to the manned ISS, from the Space Shuttle to Mars expeditions, is faked, a hoax, or you follow the Bible's teachings that we live on an inescapable, flat, fixed Earth, enclosed in a firmament with just stars, Moon and Sun rotating above us and there is no Universe, as I do. I'll keep buying gold.

Because of tax laws in Canada, it can be more advantageous though to own actual silver or gold instead the bit versions.

mmm.... I don´t know... when do you want gold or silver, you don´t want just a bit, isn´t it?

I wonder if there is an inverse correlation between BTC vs. Gold when you compare the charts...???

lol
Would mean a lot of huge banks and investors actually bought BTC saying that it isn't a currencie and that it is a bubble, would be so hypocritical, but really possible.

Do you see the same pattern in gold as measured in other fiat currencies such as the AUD also, or could this downturn be USD specific mainly?

Silver has formed a relatively long term cup and looks like it's finishing the handle. This is a dual purpose HODL commodity that needs attention..

Yes silver looks nice!

The correction lasting from 2011 seems done, and I see the cup and handle from 2014 till now that you mention! Look out, baby on board! :)

Again, thanks for the tip!

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live-and-learn (37) Yes and a relatively longish reverse head shoulder formation https://goldsilver.com/blog/clive-maunds-silver-market-update-1/

Silver cup handle that I'm referencing goes all the way back to 1980! It could take another year to complete and when it does $600 will be chump change! My opinion only(disclaimer ;)

Whatttt! The chart only allowed me to go back 10 years, so I completely missed it! :)

Love the coffee drawing, an image is really worth 1000 words! Have you started laddering in yet?

laddering in yet? Of course, yes but my strategy differs from yours. Lets say some prefer diverse portfolios. I also hold Gold stocks and Bitshares, TRX and XVG cheers

The chart looks like half the cryptos I bought :-) without the huge uptrend (in cryptos was when they got on the market). I guess we have finished correction, but also wave 1 and 2, wave 3 is coming !!!.

I agree. According to the silver chart, I believe it is in a buy range. What is your opinion, @haejin? Thanks.

My thoughts exactly :) I think it is soon time to start ladder in, but could there be a lower low before the uptrend you think?

Interesting :)

I agree 100%! I would never have guessed this would happen to the gold price, but given that people will be selling their grandmothers to get into crypto in 2018, they will probably be selling (her) gold too! Oh man, that was just a little joke...love to all the grandmas of the world...anyway grannies just might try to sell their own gold, (and possibly their grandchildren, hehe) for the same reason. Makes sense @haejin! But I know... you do the chart and the news will come up to meet the TA:) We shall see what the news actually is!

thanks for the teaching! please do not stop teaching... books are on their way

Why would anyone want a useless yellow rock when they can have Steem and be connected to the world by a social blockchain.

Because smart people diversify their portfolio, @haejin has been hammering home this point for months.

Ok @haejin says gold is going down to $764 by 2020 so lets sell our cryptos and buy gold ;)

Let's sell 25% portfolio of cryptos and buy gold :-)

If you don´t get it then you don´t get it. But I advise you to go watch some of the many documentaries about broke-ass-brokers who has lost it all.

They always say the same things;

  • Why did I not take profits while profits were made?
  • Why was I so greedy that i gambled it all?
  • No-one saw the crash coming, and in one day I lost it all...

There are lessons to be learnt from history, and those who do not learn are bound to repeat those lessons.

All the hate for @haejin just died because ppl realized that this isn't facebook and that they can't control the system! decentralization for the win!

I have the feeling that world is changing with crypto and we are at a big turn in the history. Can't wait to see what is going to happen next!

i think it is more that there was an agreement because the discord upset the community and did the whole steem platform no good - transparent how easily the reward system was/is manipulated

It costs about 1,200-1,300 to get it out of the ground. Sure it could dip a little lower for a short moment. But 764 seems a bit low...

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Maybe there will be massive sells of what is already mined for wathever reason.

Interesting to see analysis of commodities! You're a beast!

I did an analysis on Xverge, assume it's pretty similar to yours but different targets perhaps:

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@benkalashnikov/xverge-xvg-analysis-165-potential-profit

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@haejin - I was wondering when you would expand your TA for us. If you ever have time, I'd love to hear your thoughts on HIVE (Hive Blockchain on TSX). It's a major crypto miner and I'm curious to see if it will soon follow the recent crypto gains.

Thanks sir!

I wrote a post on HIVE Blockchain last month but it would be interesting to see the technical analysis. Check it out:
https://steemit.com/investing/@morseke1/an-incredible-investment-with-maximum-leverage-to-blockchain-growth

@morseke1 - Great writeup! Very in depth! The great news is that the locked up shares began selling the same day that HIVE announced this massive expansion so the price stayed pretty stable (allowing us to accumulate a bit more). Wishing you wealth!

Thank you. I'm primed and ready for HIVE to catch up after this long pause.

I made a technical analysis of HVN a week ago, updated yesterday here:
https://steemit.com/haejin/@thedolphin/hvn-btc-targets-still-valid-profits-2400-sat-then-3900

@thedolphin - Hey! Thank for this, I should have been more specific, there is actually a company on the TSX that is named Hive Blockchain under the ticker HIVE :) If you ever find any time to look into it, I'd love to see what your TA shows! Thanks!

Oh, it is? I'm so focused on crypto now, but I found it at Tradingwiev so I gave it a shot in expectation of your like and follow :)

https://steemit.com/money/@thedolphin/hive-blockchain-technologies-ltd

Thanks so much for taking the time to put that together! Greatly appreciated! Im hoping you are right in your TA ;)

Just remember we can't predict in time, only in sentiment of price.

This is surprising but does make sense. People are putting money they would have put have put into gold, into cryptos. Good for us but not so good for

This really correlates with the large move over to Bitcoin...as soon as crypto perma bear Peter Schiff allowed Bitcoin for gold, i knew it would cause this to happen..of course there are other factors, and i like gold, i own some myself, but the waves don't lie

nice! gold!
thats interesting. I still am stuck in just cryptos for now but plan on expanding VERY SOON hopefully!

Yeah man, I've been slowly investing in silver and will dip in to gold next year at sub $1000 prices if/when it gets there.

I think I will put something into silver, it's massive undervalued in my opinion...

There are several variables that must be taken into account. 1. what strength will the USD have against other currencies($764 Gold in USD could be $1600 AUD then)

  1. Today's sophisticated computer algorithms have been manipulating Gold and Silver beyond reason.
  2. Manipulation always ends
    Demand far outstrips supply, any collapse in the gold price may last days if not minutes, moreover, who will be able to purchase physical gold then?

Demand of gold will shrink a lot, as people rather want to hold bitcoin. When the masses in India trade their gold to crypto I bet supply will be 2x demand.
I messaged haejin's gold chart to the local goldsmith, and he said it is very likely, but of course he hoped the dip would not go so far.

Silver is so low value now they melt jewellery, spoons and bowls into bars all over.

Manipulation ends ? I hope so but it's been going on for a very very long time

Just buy RaiBlocks, the next Bitcoin... Instant transactions and zero fees. XRB makes gold and stocks look cute. If it matched $BTC market cap it'll be worth >$1500, now its only $28.

You can buy it on KuCoin exchange: https://www.kucoin.com/#/?r=1Nu4P

If this is an affiliate link and you make money, then you should inform others of it..!

Don´t believe this recommendation people, he is getting paid...!

I will maybe do it, but I'll cipy paste the linked, then erase the affiliate number, just because you do not telle it's an affiliate link. People love honesty and hate malice.
I know you're not doing any bad, and it's harmless, but still, just tell it's an affiliate link, people will appreciate that ;-)

Thanks Haejin. Could you please do a Vertcoin update. Thanks!

Amazing and informative post, Really helpful for me, Thanks for sharing @haejin

Great post dear,,, Yeah, you are right.I totally agree with your logic.
You have good knowledge about market strategy. Thanks man for this awesome post........................

Haejin, any update on the ARK of wealth??

This ARK that should go up but seems sooooo laaaazy. Just hodl and stop thinking at it, that's what I do.

Excellent analysis.

Hahahahah $735, that's so ridiculous!

Well one can always hope for it 😄

And the dollar shrinking against bitcoin at the same time. Is there any Gold/BTC charts?

Wow that would be the call of the year and in my opinion very unlikely. I agree Q1 and 2 are likely upwards and in the fall a retracement. That is fairly common behaviour for the metals. Once it breaks out of the channel we know a lot more.

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Very nice

In a few months you will ;)

If this plays out. I plan to take some crypto profit and buy some gold on that big dip.

yep, that is (or could be) the point. That point.
And you could buy some big batch of honey and olive oil - extra virgin... you can storage for a couple of years and exchange it locally for others supplies. ;)

Me either. We just got to win at the lottery :-)

Great analysis, thanks Haejin!

Thanks @haejin, I learned TA from you (and the books you advised), and practiced on crypto (still learning, but i can understand what you describe :-) ).
Now I'll take a look at more common stocks/currencies pairs and maybe gold or silver.
If it goes down to your target I'm definitely buying some :-)

I've just begun in the cryptomarket I'm planning on using this guy's analysis as much as possible :)

what would be the forecast for once the $764 bottom is reached ? Is $5000 Gold and $600 silver just pie in the sky ?

Fools Gold...Tho I have a pipe dream of mining it...Eh, I'll just mine DGB or LBRY Credits :)

good content

I really love the insight you gave on the market of gold and considering the fact that cryptos are the way forward now for trading.

I would love to see a crypto company find a new 'element' then weigh there value against that element and lets see if they live a day

very good your post

@haejin... nice that you mentioned dow/spx .... can you please give a TA on those 2 ?

can u do an update on $TRX please @haejin

master you miss Fractial look https://www.tradingview.com/x/q7Rhh2cM/

Awesome as well as helpful article Valuable for me personally.

awww my gold coins value will drop !!!

Thanks haejin for opening up our horizons, that ETF post was chinese to me though I will look at the one you did in december to see if it is clearer.

Thank You for this soo much !

lik blz

I hope this isnt true. I took a little of my crptyo gains and bought 200 oz of silver and 2oz of gold like in the last 5 damn days! Will be a hold for me!

Silver will go up imo.

If it is for your retirement (which mine is) then you can just HODL. It is still a very safe investment I would say..

Silver?

@haejin that is a great article.

Nice post. Thanks for sharing.

사람들이 비트코인은 에너지 낭비가 너무 심하다고들 하지만
지구상 늘린 저 가치수단으로서의 수많은 금을 관리하는데 비하자면
참 궁금해지는군요
어느것이 더 낭비라 할 수 있는지...

** u are really great , don't stop work ,
crypto will be the 1st way to get money in this days

@haejin, wow, that really stinks. I've been deeply investing in gold/silver/uranium miners for the past few years and have an awesome portfolio. If Gold really crashes to $765/oz, the market will be back in liquidation and so will my portfolio. I'm hoping you're wrong, but have a lot to think about now. I'm still shocked by your analysis. Are there alternative possibilities?

In future Crypto will be on the top of the currency and it will jump like lion when the time is come for jumping

I suggest you take a look at the Bitshares bitGOLD:

https://cryptofresh.com/a/GOLD

When i look at the silver chart i dont see a bull flag, look to me more of a triangle..perhaps the will become non-phasic or what do you think? @haejin

Gold Gold Gold! This is my gold!

thanks haejin, i was actually planning to sell some portion of my profits in crytpo to gold.

@haejin what if anything would negate this? doesnt this at all look like a rounding bottom to u?

Thank you so much for providing examples of equities and commodities. You cover all the bases... Very thorough!
I am in the process of learning EW analysis.
With cryptocurrencies exhibiting pure sentiment driven behavior, you alluded to equities deviating from such behavior. due to other factors (e.g. manipulated buying etc.) From other research, I believe this to be true as well.
Are there certain equities or equity sectors that behave like cryptocurrencies in regard to price action, and EW models? The reason I ask is I would like to be able to apply EW theory to traditional stocks ....eventually. Thank you!

There will be a day when we will know how to synthetically make gold. And then we are screwed. Well not we :)

Costs are huge. 'fake' diamonds are for technological use, not as perfect as natural I guess.

What are you talking about, fake diamonds did not take much away from the diamond industry, who wants fake diamonds and gold?

Well, in future you won't notice the difference.i guess

i heard its possible already

Good post, thanks 👍👍👍

Well i do not have any other option. For me, I have to wait.

Love seeing some commodity charts here! Would love to hear your thoughts on Silver. It's been on my radar to diversify a bit with these massive crypto gains.

@haejin I recently discovered VERI is the actual digital gold. You know what? You are the actual human gold.

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Good post

@haejin will you please look at the market for uranium? I have been told to get in long term by a friend (but he is a banker so I don´t really trust his advice!) There are several stocks and I would love your insights on them and the market in general :)

Thanks again, this post was sooo very useful!

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The cost to produce a pound of uranium is $60. The market value last year was around $20/lb so in the last part of 2017 the two largest produces announced big shutdowns of their mines and will be taking uranium supply off the market. This is the definition of a bottom in resources, when you can't keep producing at a loss, you stop producing. What happen next was the price went up to $24/lb and uranium company's stocks have remarkably recovered in a short amount of time. There are very few uranium companies and explorers. Between China and India there are hundreds of nuclear power plants in construction or planned. The bottom is in for the long bear market in uranium.

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Thank you soo much, I guess the advice was not so bad after all despite coming from a banker :) Did a quick search, and Russian companies seems to own most of the worlds uranium, but I think we in the west are blocked from investing as per the US sanctions! Need to dig a little deeper into this one :)

  • If anyone have some good info on uranium stocks not affected by sanctions, i.e. not Russian please share!

FCUUF is my top position! It has won awards three years in a row for the outstanding resource they discovered. It's a monster. The average grade globally is 0.2% of every pound of rock they pull out is uranium. They are getting drilling results in the 6%. Check out their website to learn more.

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Wow Canada! I had no idea :) I will check this out asap, great tip and thanks for sharing!

My pleasure.

Love it : 'by a friend (but he is a banker so I don´t really trust his advice!)'
just lol
Great question anyway, uranium is really important. In Europe a lot of government are planning to close nuclear plants and use more renewable energy, but will they do it or not is another question ...

I think not, I am from Europe and we have been talking about it since the 70ties, yet we are still repairing the old reactors and even building new ones... It is the absolute cheapest energy source, and so I don´t think that it is going anywhere anytime soon..

Haejin can u analysis TRX one more?

Im still bullish on gold and silver the coming weeks

There is an e wave up for the bear flag. After that completes, wave 3 down could be next.

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Interesting. If gold goes down, so does silver. Usually. Silver is lately trading at range where miners are not making money and it shouldn't be sustainable. If silver goes few more dollars lower, I wouldn't be surprised seeing some miners stop production. If that would happen I would guess it would be a final flush before a buy for a very long time. I will be watching.

Disclaimer, I'm silver bull :-) I'm holding some physical silver and I will just keep it for a few years... :-)

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

That's what was also said with BTC and Alt coins, however those phasic sentiment patterns are changing...

Also fundamental difference between gold and silver, is gold being recognised as a store of value (...or at least it DID to a crypto enthusiast), whereas silver is also considered a valuable resource which is in demand (by car manufacturers etc..) very similar to BTC and Alts... IMHO

Really doubtful of the super massive down, i mean $764 is like...we still couple of strong supports way before the 700$ range ..

Could take years if you look at the chart.

I disagree. Gold will never go below mining cost of $1200 and silver $16.If gold reaches $700 all mining companies have to shut down. This will reduce the supply. I can see gold will reach all time high this year and going higher.

Resource values certainly go below the cost to mine the resource. It happens in every resource bear market. Gold bottomed in December of 2016 at $1050 and the average all in sustaining costs to produce an ounce is between $1100 and $1200/oz. The mining companies were trying to stay alive.

gold consolidation is over after 5 years it's time for blastoff!

That's what I've set my portfolio up for, until this post from haijen.... It would be a wicked bad thing for my portfolio if gold drops to $765/oz. It's got me seriously thinking. All the newsletter writers are following the script that the bottom was in and we have started the next gold up cycle. I also do know that the market has a way of punishing people when everyone believes something is true. I think this is the exact point to Haejin writing this off-script post.

that's a great chart Haejin..totally agree!

What you are saying is interesting but I look at it a bit differently. Gold and silver are inversely correlated to the equity market because so many of the companies rely on those as industrial metals for production of goods; mainly silver. It is If silver was to rise sharply, then it would cut into the profits of these companies (similar to how a sharp rise in gas prices could affect the sale of SUV's). Precious metal prices are manipulated to keep the prices low and also somewhat stable over time. There is a lot going on here aside from the charts.

Wonderful post! I must commend you for dishing out your expertise on Gold, bitcon, altcoin and cryptocurrencies in general. I called you the Grand master of crypto-world. I follow and upvote you.

I've been following for a short period of time & for the most part have say that your predictions are quite accurate, however with relation to Gold seeing it drop below $800 US would be the biggest buying opportunity ever, especially with Oil creeping up slowing to the level it was at prior to 2011 which coincides with Golds bear market.

I personally am in a healthy disagreement with you from a fundamental basis, the dollar lost 12% against Gold last year is continuing to fall against all major currencies including crypto's, Oil is creeping up & so will inflation, geopolitical tensions and even when the Fed hikes interest rates Gold moves higher..

If it did however drop below $800 I would be a major buyer..

Thank you very much

If gold dropped much lower than its current price, it might not be profitable to mine it. So I think I am in agreement with your post. If gold got close to $1,000 USD, i might convert half my USD savings into gold. And if it got to $800 I would probably convert the other half.

If gold would get that low it would only be the paper derivatives which are fake anyway... you would just pay a really large premium over spot. This has happened with silver in the recent past already, when I got all exited and tried to buy it sub $14.... also delivery times at the big sellers like apmex go to unreasonable times. Just my 2 cents though.....

I think the precious metal markets are manipulated so much that it is hard to compare it to crypto.

Nice one bro

Considering the PMs market to be so highly manipulated rigged, doubtful the powers that be will let that happen.

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That's quite funny:)