Would it be desirable and feasible to enable accounts to display an indicator, verified by the blockchain, showing that the account does not self vote? There could be one for posts and one for comments. I think it is important to give all Steemians a more visible choice between supporting accounts that upvote themselves or not.
Self-upvoting is NOT abuse in any way. It is an intentional benefit of accumulating, holding and using Steem Power. However there are clearly many accounts that are happy to act against their own financial interests for the benefit of the Steem community and the health of the reward pool. The question is, if some of the financial benefits of Steem Power are "culturally" denied, then will SP become less appealing? For some, quite possibly, however, I think those that sell will be replaced by other accounts that value SP more highly for other reasons.
Therefore, I think it would be very helpful to provide Steemians with a clear indicator of wether or not a Steemian upvotes their post and how long since they last upvoted themselves.
Perhaps a change in voting habits would then occur which would support a shift towards less self upvoting.
The assumption I'm making in terms of benefit is the more of the reward pool available to discovering and supporting quality newer accounts, coupled with the greater the influence lower SP holders feel in giving Steem, the better for Steem as a whole. I think the evidence provided by the no whale voting experiment showed a powerful correlation to that effect.
Let's give Steemians a visible choice. There may be other visual cues (like the 100% post power up indicator) that could also help.
I don't think this would effect a low SP account for self upvoting, especially on their posts, but at a certain level, Steemian voting support may favour larger holders who forego self-voting in favour of pure community rewards.
I would love to know your thoughts.
Happy Steeming
I am just hoping that self-voting will not be an epidemic in steemit as it will greatly affect the community as a whole because most people will just try to avoid everyone that only self-votes and the spirit of being a community might degrade.
If the devs could look upon this issue maybe they can do something to taper it out.
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Steemit's overall character will be a manifestation of the sum of all our interactions. The beautiful thing is that, like humans in general, there's a lot of scope for variety and there is strength in depth.
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I think in a fair and just Steemit world, this would be a good addition. However, we don't live in a fair and just Steemit world. We currently live in a Steemit world where newbies are being favored over minnows who have worked hard for their position. These minnows had to fight their way up and now have to fight to stay visible. One way of doing that is to upvote their own post, so it looks more appealing to others (the alternative is no one opens their posts anymore).
This might sound a bit sour, but it's what I've noticed a lot lately and it's what I hear about a lot from others aswell. Adding such an option would only serve to ignore these older members even more.
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Does self-voting give your blog post more visibility. I feel that some of my posts don't get any visibility at all. I turned off self voting so it wouldn't automatically vote on my posts. A lot of people might not have even noticed that that check mark was there. I think it was pre-selected for me when wrote my first post. I don't self vote but also am frustrated that I don't know IF my post was seen and not voted on or just not seen. I should like to know the number of times the post was viewed vs. how many upvotes.... to see then if it's my material that is not interesting enough or if it just got buried under all the other posts. Is there a way to see the views? Anyone?
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Hi silversmyth, just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with up-voting your own posts :) So don't fret at all. The question is whether or not, as a community, we would chose those who have considerable Steem Power (and therefore their upvotes are quite to very valuable) would still attract upvotes from the rest of the community or, given more visibility, would the community favor those that do not upvote voluntarily.
At the bottom of any post you make, you should be able to see a little eye symbol which shows you how many views you've had. It is next to the vote indicator.
Visibility can be challenging initially. Probably the best way to raise your visibility is to comment sincerely and intelligently on other people's posts. Hopefully, if people like your comments, your followers will increase and the visibility of your own posts.
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Thank you! I'm now going to review my posts to see what I can do better! : )
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Quality posts must be supported by many sounds. This is the chain of steemit life, from minnows to whales need each other.
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Almost sounds poetic :)
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Could be a good idea don't know what the big boys would say . Cheers mike
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Many of the whales have already shown themselves to be thinking of Steem and Steemit's long-term success over immediate financial gains. I think there is a very good chance of support. It's only better information for what is occurring already.
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That's a fair comment thanks for your reply mate cheers mike
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self voting does appear abusive when coming from a steem power holder account that is high valued. The way my influence on steemit based on my power I would have to up-vote all my content. Really this is extraordinarily subjective, I say yes for now I am positive that will alternate as my influence and many others grow. Appreciate the share.. @benjojo, cheers!
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I hope that social factors can make self-upvoting less appealing for the short-term financial gains of those with considerable SP. Lower SP accounts who are hoping for a bit of extra visibility should go for it and upvote.
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i can't see the problem with self voting by those on low levels of influence and even those with more have a right to limited self voting due to seeking return on investment perhaps -- i think this is just a distraction from the real and significant drop off in votes since HF19 -- we don't need to make a big issue out of self voting
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There are many forms of return on investment and many ways to look at the value of SP. I don't believe there is anything wrong with self-upvoting....it is part of the design and someone who wanted to hide it could fund other accounts. But, if someone who had multiple accounts was outed for self-voting when they were claiming not to, I think that could be very costly in terms of social capital. If you believe that rewards are better off, in the end, going to growing new talent and giving people with less power more visible influence....then like me, you might consider only supporting those large SP holders who forego self-voting. It's no big deal, just something we should all consider.
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it is a thrill to a new comer like me when someone suddenly boosts one of my posts beyond the usual low levels - i guess this happens from people who aren't so concerned about monetary returns -- good to know you Ben
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Waw very extraordinary
I was very impressed to see it
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Wonderful, thank you.
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Great topic and being new here I would place value on seeing a visual clue on if someone self votes! A few of the folks I know from YT coming over to Steemit are having to try and wade thru this river and trying to adapt to something so different in terms of the structure and the do's and do not's that they are setting back dealing with headaches of trying to figure it out, some are just reading post after post after post trying to find someone to follow that gives correct information that does not clash with our thought processes and beliefs. Considering the many from YT finding their way here to assist in growing a awesome community of visual/video content creators I believe perhaps a well done set of videos that can be restreemit to others here would be a benefit to the entire community. Even tho we are part of this community it is no different than walking into another persons home and some set rules of behavior and acceptable actions for breaking those said rules are needed. Thank You for bringing this topic out! Resteemit to share to others!
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There is most certainly a lot to learn and navigate. To make matters more of a challenge, the environment and culture is in a state of flux. One day soon I hope it will settle and all this trial by fire everyone new is going through will pay off! There is still some evolving to go through before that point though I think.
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I recognize we are still in beta and accept it is going to take time and it will have growing pains and for me I believe it is worth the wait and the investment of my time here. Thank You for being here @Benjojo!
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you raise a valid point, i think if this feature were implemented , steemit is gonna be more better...#nice writeup
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Cool, thank you.
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I rather like the idea myself but I am not sure it would totally change how I vote on other's posts. If I find a post valuable, I will give it an upvote, regardless if they vote for themselves or not. Though I have never upvoted my own comments (always felt too self serving), I did leave the default on the automatic upvote on my posts for awhile - not sure if it was helping or hurting me as I was so new to all this. I think it may have been one of your previous posts that I had read that lead me to the decision to deselect that option and I am glad that I did. Of course, it is great to be able to earn ourselves, but if it all because about what we can earn then the focus on building a healthy community is lost and I think that is too important to let go of. Besides, it is a great feeling knowing you can give back when you have not spent all your voting power on yourself :)
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To upvote someone's post if it is valuable to you, regardless of how they have voted themselves is absolutely fair enough. Perhaps though, someone else who isn't upvoting themselves is producing something you value too. With limited votes, would you favour the one who wasn't?
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I am @nauval I just joined in steeimt, this condition certainly makes me still very less adaptation tat on this social media, and some isitilah here I also can not understand it, but I read your article may be very helpful to the steemian like me, You and your friends do that for me, i am so thankful to you @benjojo and youfriends who have been kind enough to help me in steemi, and this my account @nauval.
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I am very happy to help.
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I love to hear it, I just posted my article, what you are willing to vote for me, as well as your friends at @ steem. This is my account @nauval and this is my article https://steemit.com/photography/@nauval/poor-dolphins
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Good talking points. Being new to the platform, I do upvote my posts, if only to get a bit more of a push. All of my Steem, goes to Steem power. As my reputation, value and voting power rises, I will focus more (than I can now) to upvote the efforts of others and help them more.. It'll happen with time.
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That is perfectly understandable and the most sensible thing to do as you try to build your influence.
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I can't believe that I recently let a few of my own post payout without me upvoting. I enjoy upvoting posts outside of mine, but it's always tempting to give that shrinking 100% upvote to myself. This has been the best hardfork yet. @benjojo, Steem On!
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i hear you bud :)
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Nice post:) By the way, did you know: Australia is the only country that is also a continent, lol:D
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That's good to know! :)
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@benjojo I loved that logo..
Amazed that how you always come up with new ideas.
The ones with higher SP could vote on new users who create quality posts rather than self voting (a request).. I have seen many new users who create good posts but their posts are still undervalued. Because of the Hard fork which lessened your Votes in hand (Giving you more power), massive crowd of new users in the blockchain, less no. of curators+dolphins+whales all ultimately don't encourage new authors.
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Thank you so much :)
I have set my voting power to 25% so that I can vote around 40 times. Do you think it's a simple case of getting that message out? I generally think the HF19 was a positive change....perhaps with a couple of further tweaks.
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I too think setting it at 25% is a good idea but is it same as we used to vote at 100% before the hf? . And I have no idea considering massive crowd, what should be the best whether it is to lower down from 25% ?
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