You can pretend all you want of being the victim of my downvotes. I NEVER downvote without cause. You've not only been constantly downvoting me but persistently upvoting @kimjungpoo (proof below). Your misplaced sense of rightousness is uncouth! That makes you a racist by providing supportive upvotes of racist memes!
I was wondering if you would leave a comment to try and justify your actions. You can trust that I have been weighing my votes carefully. Not sure I've been called 'uncouth' before :)
I have downvoted you for the same reason as most other due to disagreeing with your rewards, but the 10% vote I used would barely be noticeable to someone who makes about as much in a week as I've made in 2 years. I just felt some need to do something to ensure a better spread of rewards on Steemit. I reserve most of my voting power to support others, including those you have flagged. I think the only times I have self-voted in the last year are to counter your flags.
I'll accept that the Kim Jung Poo comments may be in bad taste, but it made me smile. How I vote has nothing to do with race and in your case has nothing to do with the content of your posts.
Your actions in mass flagging everything some people post is bullying in my eyes. My posts did not even mention you, but you took away about as much as you have given yourself on this comment. Destroying the reputation of others who just want a better Steemit is just not a nice thing to do. I would have some sympathy if I saw you helping others.
I don't expect my actions to have any affect on what you do, but I've been cheered up by the overwhelmingly positive responses I've had.
I don't like to see any threats or intimidation. People hide behind pseudonyms. It's interesting to see just how many are on each side of this discussion.
It's not appropriate to get racist over this. I thought the comics posted were more satirical. He does himself no favours by attacking any critics. He's trying to scare people so they don't dare to flag him. If he showed any signs of wanting to be a better member of the community he would get some sympathy.
Let's not resort to comparison to Nazis. Nobody is going to die from flagging.
'My side' is just me, but others have a similar attitude. I've met plenty who could make more, but choose to help others. Why wouldn't I favour them over someone who rarely does that? I'm not including Bernie as I really don't know what drives him.
The Nazis were truly evil. This is mostly just about money. See Godwin's Law.
This is not driven by race, or at least I'm assuming not for the majority. Steemit is just a little corner of the internet. It's still working out how it should work. Bernie is some random person who has some power here, so is H. If someone behaves obnoxiously then people are likely to take against them. I should just ignore H as it will take bigger players to have any effect on him, but I can't resist getting involved. I'm not jealous of him and I don't care where he comes from. I don't think he deserves the share of the rewards he gets and I want to see others who work hard get something too. Is that so bad? I apologise for any offence I may have given, but his actions are over the top and I stick by the 'bully' tag.
Plenty of people hate Bernie too, hence his very negative rep. I've no idea what race he could be and really don't care. It's what people do that matters.
I keep saying that Steemit is the wild west and this is a prime example of this. I prefer to work with people who want to build something great here and they have shown support for me. That's what matters to me.
Bernie is a loose cannon, but he does some good. What H does is pure greed. It's nothing to do with what the community likes. He's been offered some options, but he just carries on.
in my humble opinion, I do not think that the issue of haejin will be solved until the real problem in bernie is solved.
Bernie has done some good, though I often think it is a facade.. to hide the fact he is incredibly abusive. Look at @abusereports. For every spammer bernie flags there is a good steemian he tries to drive from the platform.
Bernie is spamming flags and comments on every user who interacts with haejin's content.. which is probably encouraging haejin to upvote himself and flag his enemies.
I stand by this statement. If bernie was out of the picture, I think @haejin could be worked with to limit his upvote abuse.
Absolutely. Prior to seeing your post I had posted something similar.
I got flagged purely for leaving a comment on Haejin's IBM TA; for someone like me, that makes a big difference. I am new to this platform and was shocked when I saw that.
Haejin does good work, even if it is clear he has a selfish streak. He makes plenty of money, but does not want to upvote the newer readers, as he gets little back from us.
Having said that, I vote purely on content and I will continue to upvote Haejin on that basis.
Haejin is not the only person abusing Steemit, but he's the most visible. I don't support all that Bernie does, but I think that reigning in some of the biggest earners is good for steemit
I don't approve of all Bernie does. I like that steemit makes most actions transparent and we can expect to be judged on what we do. Haejin is big enough to get away with a lot as he has scared off many. If he keeps attacking then he can't expect attitudes to change.
Overall I have to agree with Haejin. I have left comments before and found that @Kimjumgpoo downvotes ALL comments left on his posts. Franklin flagging others' comments is disgusting and against the spirit of what steemit is about.
Upvoting Kimjongpoo shows a lack of respect for other users, as he affects our reputation just because of his dislike for Haejin. Also the title of his character is clearly meant to be racist as it is targeted at a Korean.
I will agree however that I have rarely seen Haejin upvote others.
I am finally shocked - down voting one of the most supportive members of this platform, someone that is do anything to support good content, helping newbies and minnows, never self upvotes, never uses bid bots now becomes downvoted by the richest person on this platform? This is ridiculous honestly.
Given the reputation which is now set in stone and the unbelievable rewards daily will maintain that way one could say the experiment Steemit is DEAD. Time to Power Down or a new HF to avoid such dictatorship. What can be down behind curtains or on the blockchain!? Wasn't there certain agreements already? Where are the big whales and witnesses to prevent something like this? @ned@dan@berniesanders@ausbitbank@blocktrades - what can be done now? This is a sad day for Steemit!
Bring back the rules of max 4 or better 2 posts per day!
This has been going on for some time. Luckily my rep can survive his flagging and has already recovered thanks to the generosity of this community.
I think some mistakes have been made in the design of Steemit and perhaps some can be fixed in future hardforks, but a lot of damage has already been done. A lot of people feel disenfranchised as they see certain people get rich whilst they get nothing. I don't think it's the end as long as some of us keep doing what we think is right.
Two of them delegate to shitty users quite often. The other claims that he at least tried to change the rest of STINC’s mind to not change the protocols that made this current environment what it is.
But these guys don’t appear to be doing much of anything on Steem/Steemit. Still waiting on communities, a mobile app, improved onboarding, “world-class” documentation, and marketing...you know...the things they said they would deliver in 2017. And now they added SMTs to the list.
Nothing delivered yet. Plenty of promises and I guess what you might be able to call “hype.” That’s about it.
Meanwhile...the platform burns from the piss-poor hard fork changes from last spring that they refuse to acknowledge are a huge fucking problem.
Power down, sell when the price is right.
That’s probably the best advice anyone can give right now, especially if you’re someone who needs the money. This place is what it is and there aren’t enough non-scammy douchebags who want to change it.
Yeah - I share most of your comments @ats-david - I actually still had kind of faith in the platform even we know certain things are f...ed - simply as there are still people trying to change something and where i had the feeling some people take care a bit about this thing - today was just a shock see someone gets flagged for nothing in my point of view from someone owning more power than the owners or the big stakeholders - maybe it is not dead yet! I got some people telling me the platform will survive and is not going to be killed by one raper - haejin is not the one that started raping - he used the existing system in an intelligent way - so blame the ones that created the environment!
I hope the good people here will keep going. Some are not out to get rich. Steemit is a great platform to empower the world and we'd hate to see that wasted due to a few greedy folk. Ned has his own agenda and wants to stay out of the squabbling.
This is the sad reality - these guys with the three letter names created this platform I heard? In Germany we would say - if all users come together (small and big) and handle this daily with a little of their Voting Power - Der Drops wäre gelutscht! Thanks @berniesanders - I have the fear in 6 months the reward pool left for all others might be under 50%........
So Sorry you have been attacked by this guy Steve, he obviously doesn't know how much you support other people and encourage positive use of the steemit platform. Flagging like this makes me sad :( Steemit is not the positive place it once was
yes and you are one of such people. My mom told me something when i was a kid. She said to me my son learn to give up on somethings even if you are right cos it might bring more good to others than you winning and course more harm to people around you.
This really is the ugly side of Steemit. if people like him keep doing this then in time something else will come along that overcomes this problem (another Steemit) and we all lose.
Either something is going to happen, or else the platform will die due to greed. I for one would hate this to happen.
I know you will read this @haejin, look at the bigger picture, do you want all this to end? Am I going to be the next one to be flagged because Im simply showing you the future and what may happen?
Hi @steevc. I appreciate this post very much and yes it is difficult to see this type of behavior. I believe that over time people like him will be outed but we have to bide our time and be careful how we approach it in the meantime. The platform no matter how it is configured will have to allow for some bad behavior. He is exploiting the workings at the moment but this will change over time perhaps. Another thing to consider is that Steemit also encourages those interested in getting a return other their investment to be on the platform. When I see people like Haejin this is what comes to mind. The platform is built for him as well as those looking to progress with good comment. I might be wrong but changing things too much might discourage those who come here to invest. Stay strong.
Yeah, I don't think waiting is going to solve anything.
Waiting got us in this mess.
Face it, whales have failed us.
The only way to fix things is for people under them to start flagging more.
I say flag a whale at least once a day, wake them up.
As mentioned above, I am totally against upvoting Kimjungpoo, as it is against the spirit of what Steemit is supposed to be about and he downvotes everyone, including minows like myself.
Having said that I totally agree with you that more needs to be done to avoid a handful of individuals benefiting at the expense of others who also post good content.
Being relatively new, I am not sure what the solution should be, but I would be very sad to see Steemit fail as I love the platform.
I hope a solution is found soon, as seeing these flame wars is not something that I enjoy.
I agree but things are so interconnected and dealing with things takes time to figure out because they will certainly have other implications above just him. Perhaps give it some time and keep doing your thing.
I think it is a shame to mis-use power like this and 'steal or kill' rewards like this. Although I like the liberty of this platform, these kind of things are a real pain in the !@# , with the wrong intensions you can break or make some-one.... In Holland we say 'To puge' ..... I will help you were I can Steve !!
Who is his tame whale, and can we persuade him to stop supporting haejin?
Ultimately though, this issue needs Ned or Dan to step in with a massive downvote on his account. Sadly Dan has gone and only pops in once every few months, but perhaps you can contact Ned?
i think steemit have to come together and call @haejin have a talk and resolve this issues once and for all and try to bring back those innocent victims i was lucky at that time i guess. Or if it should continue like this more people will fall a victim
I think the value is in activity. Anyone taking the time to comment should get something unless it’s a worthless or irrelevant comment. Of course by power is so low it doesn’t make a big difference. I use 100 pct out of laziness.
Also if you don’t think your post has value why comment? If you do why not vote?
One issue with self-voting comments is it moves them up the page. I think it should be up to the post author and others to decide what comments have value. I don't comment with the expectation of reward, but I know a lot of people do and I'm less likely to vote on those I don't consider sincere. Steemit is not just about grabbing money. It's a social platform where people should be interacting. I very rarely self-vote. I've only done it recently to counteract some flags.
Haejin engaging with his audience with comments and upvotes would solve a lot of the backlash he receives but to go after someone like yourself disgusts me and is nothing less than vindictive. I personally do not follow or read any of Haejins posts and it baffles me that his following is so large, you have true followers unlike Haejin and are a great role model.
The witnesses have to push changes in the code. This is a structural problem. It would only take 3 or 4 accounts behaving like this to destroy the platform. An easy way for a competing project to bring this one down. Who wants to be on a platform with bullies? And vote-buying bots rather than people.
@holoz0r copped similar earlier.
Now he has the highest rep, nobody can bring it down, @themarkymark has been posting about it.
Where do we go from here? Do we need to upvote a champion to lvl 80, so he can chop haejin back down to size?
That's a shame. It shouldn't be able to get that high if the votes are mostly from one account. I suppose we need someone to get a higher rank and flag him.
I fully expect him to flag this post too, but I felt I had to say something.
As I keep reading these posts, I am coming to realise I did not fully understand the full implications. I still am against kimjungpoo as I think it was unfair to flag me for an innocent comment; however I did not realise that haejin nearly only voted for himself.
I won't flag him, but I have now removed him from my followed list and will not upvote him in future.
To counteract flagging perhaps. Even if it was not allowed people could do it using proxies. Some do it purely for profit. I only use it if I get flagged
Touché! Okay, but his votes is worth a lot more than mine and he is making thousands each day anyway. He voted up his own comment for $67 before anyone flagged it. I don't go around flagging anyone who disagrees with me. I care about making steemit his for more people and one person voting themselves massive rewards goes against that. I count his rancho votes as self votes too.
I'm so sorry! I hate to see how bad people use their power to try to control the freedom of oter people and that user are doing this: he try to close the mouth of people if people do something he doesn't like! It's just violence and it's really a dark side of this cozy community! Now it's really too much time that this user use to flag people who don't appreciate his behaviour here, I think it's really time to stem this bad behaviour!!!
@steevc, you are a very good guys so please just let this go so that you can continue you good work for you help a lot of people on steemit or else a lot more like myself will miss you badly please we all love you
I'm sorry to see the flags on your comment, dear Steve! My 100% upvote doesn't work too much. I'm sad to see people herewho use flag just beacause other people are saying something they don't like.
There's a lack of restrictions on what we can do, but people would try to work around limits anyway. You could self-vote indirectly through proxies. I object to bullying behaviour. People have a right to flag here, but abusing it like this is uncalled for.
Thank you for doing this! One of his initiatives killed @waterloolaw's account. After just posting multiple legit articles - a little enthusiastically I admit. Now she gets flagged for every post and comment. Sadly leaving Steem forever.
Sorry, I can support you, but I can't support anything that I suspect of being connected to youknowwhosanders. Good luck taking down youknowwhojin, I hope he's taken down soon.
I have no connection with Bernie and I don't think the flagging bot does either. It was created by @hendrix22 who was tired of being flagged. Bernie does some good stuff, but I don't know his motives
He greatly sucks, but you knew that already. I have upvoted some of your flagged posts, not that you will notice much financially, but the intention was good 8-).
I can see both sides of this argument because I've been a victim of both sides when I've commented on things in @haejin posts.
If I said something good, I was down voted by everyone who hated Haejin. If I said something bad, or offered differing analysis than what Haejin was offering, I was down voted by accounts that support Haejin. How is that fair? I was simply being honest and giving my own opinion. If you don't like it, than don't vote for it...but it shouldn't be down voted.
The truth is, I don't understand why there are downvotes at all. If content is bad, people won't read it or upvote it. Why do we need down votes?
On one hand, downvotes just give whales the power to destroy anyone they see as a threat. It basically gives whales a monopoly. They can destroy the competition.
On the other hand, it also gives people who are jealous of others success a way to hurt them simply for making good content. Just because you're successful doesn't mean you should be punished.
I say let the free market decide. Stop allowing people to down vote content. A lack of upvotes should be good enough. Also, if you're worried about people only up-voting themselves, why not cap the amount of upvotes you can give yourself? Why not penalize users who have more than a 60% self upvote? This would incentivize people to upvote others and not just themselves.
I'm fairly new here so I don't pretend to have all the answers. I'm just brainstorming. While I certainly don't like the idea of only a few people having a monopoly on steemit, I also don't like the idea of down voting very successful person simply because you feel they're too successful. There has to be a way to keep it fair without down voting. Just my 2 cents...maybe I'm wrong.
Flagging has uses, some of which are displayed when you do it. I and others think haejin doesn't warrant the rewards he gives himself. We want to see others get a better share
I can understand...and I agree. That's why I suggested maybe changing the rules so someone can only give themselves a certain percentage of upvotes. I just think if you are able to downvote people, this problem will continue. I think the rules on Steemit need to change. Get rid of down voting as well as the ability to upvote yourself more than a certain amount. Maybe make it so no more than 60% of your upvotes can go to yourself. Just a thought.
People would get around this with multiple accounts. It's not simple to fix. I still support keeping flagging as a moderation tool, even though it has been used against me. The community has supported me
if @ned should get involved, people may say he is choosing sides and may lead to a different thing all together. i got downvoted once for commending on their post sometime ago so i never want to get involve that is why i always run when i come across such names. @steevc upvoted even though its small all the same i see @haejin to be a good guy but it's just a little misunderstanding and i can say a lot of people will always upvote themselfs a thousand times if in @haejins position no hard feeling thank you you guys should just make up and i know when you guys come together you can make steemit a more better place to be and we the upcoming too may follow your steps but what when ever i hear @haejin i run and keep running @randomwhale and many others we beg come together as one. you can check my post i barely make 1 sbd on my post if not for buying votes from bots. thanks
ah ok. i always say @haejin as a positive long term member. he probably has his version of truth too. Since when this bullying is going on? Weeks or months?
Imortant to know for me as I sell steemit as a platform of positive people here in Germany.
He's done this a long time, but usually he goes after smaller fish he can crush. Steemit still has lots of good people and some will deal with him. He doesn't do much for the platform as he just takes. 99% of his rewards are from his own accounts
Yes, haejin is an @$$. But, you do have to hand it to him: he is very successfully robbing the rewards pool. He would insist that he's being rewarded for creating good, consistent content & developing an audience - and, he could make that point. Except for one thing: he upvotes himself with 94.1% of his voting power. That's just plain greedy, compared to how the vast majority of Steemians give a significantly higher percentage of upvotes to other people who are creating good content.
As far as him dogging your payouts this week: if you mess with the bull, you get the horns. I've tangled very softly with haejin myself, and taken a couple of downvotes from him. But, I am careful to make an honest attempt at commenting on his posts & the overall disagreement that many people have with his behavior on this platform.
Unfortunately, haejin does not uphold the Steemian spirit that this platform was created with. I believe it's intended to be equally balanced between making a profit and helping others to do the same. Win - Win, right? Well, haejin has created a Win - Lose situation. He's an @$$, but there are still a good number of people following him. They're probably newer users who don't know any better.
His amount of followers means nothing, have you ever seen the comments on his posts? He hardly gets any community interaction. Most of his followers are dust accounts. I see people with tonnes less followers get WAYYYY more comments and interaction on their posts. Everything about the @haejin account is fake, the views the followers, look below the surface, there are only like 4 or 5 people on STEEM that actually support him, out of 30,000 strong? 30,000 WEAK lol.
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Definitely, my downvote is only worth 60 cents, and I can only give HJ'in a couple a day because I like to be able to still upvote in the community, he came twice in this last week and removed 180.00 of my potential earnings.
Play fair? He don't know the meaning of that. He just wants to suck this place as dry as he can with his promobot @ranchorelaxo that he pays for off the blockchain, yet has the gall to complain about people using promo bots lolol! Such a sad little man he is.
Oh yeah, I've always been a delegator, first 5,000 to @steemlegion, and then when they stopped flagging I transferred it to @hendrix22, @weflaghaejin and @flagthedonkey. Later when the donkey started flagging me anyways, even though I never made a direct hit, I took some SP back and started flagging him myself, I still have a couple thousand between hendrix and weflaghaejin.
You can pretend all you want of being the victim of my downvotes. I NEVER downvote without cause. You've not only been constantly downvoting me but persistently upvoting @kimjungpoo (proof below). Your misplaced sense of rightousness is uncouth! That makes you a racist by providing supportive upvotes of racist memes!
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I was wondering if you would leave a comment to try and justify your actions. You can trust that I have been weighing my votes carefully. Not sure I've been called 'uncouth' before :)
I have downvoted you for the same reason as most other due to disagreeing with your rewards, but the 10% vote I used would barely be noticeable to someone who makes about as much in a week as I've made in 2 years. I just felt some need to do something to ensure a better spread of rewards on Steemit. I reserve most of my voting power to support others, including those you have flagged. I think the only times I have self-voted in the last year are to counter your flags.
I'll accept that the Kim Jung Poo comments may be in bad taste, but it made me smile. How I vote has nothing to do with race and in your case has nothing to do with the content of your posts.
Your actions in mass flagging everything some people post is bullying in my eyes. My posts did not even mention you, but you took away about as much as you have given yourself on this comment. Destroying the reputation of others who just want a better Steemit is just not a nice thing to do. I would have some sympathy if I saw you helping others.
I don't expect my actions to have any affect on what you do, but I've been cheered up by the overwhelmingly positive responses I've had.
Go in peace.
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The problem isn't as much how much he earns but how little he shares.
About kimjungpoo comments, I don't care if it's racist it's being used as harassment and should not be encouraged.
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The goalposts keep moving on why the people hate haejin.
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He was earning 10-20 per post and getting 2000+ views before he started receiving RR upvotes. Quit lying.
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I kind of expected it, but H returned to flag my post at the last moment. He couldn't cancel all the reward. Leaves him less power to flag others
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FYI, I had already stopped flagging you when you made that comment.
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Racist memes make you smile... good to know.
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Haejin is Korean and Kim is from the other Korea. It could be far worse, but race should not enter into discussion
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They are of the same ethnicity with an artificial border between the two countries.
Race shouldn't enter into the discussion, but apparently if they are used against an adversary it makes you smile.
I suppose that is human, but not very virtuous.
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Nobody is perfect. At least I'm not flagging the world to suppress discussion.
I won't flag you
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I don't like to see any threats or intimidation. People hide behind pseudonyms. It's interesting to see just how many are on each side of this discussion.
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That's not what he said, you're putting words in his mouth.
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Here here!
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It's not appropriate to get racist over this. I thought the comics posted were more satirical. He does himself no favours by attacking any critics. He's trying to scare people so they don't dare to flag him. If he showed any signs of wanting to be a better member of the community he would get some sympathy.
Let's not resort to comparison to Nazis. Nobody is going to die from flagging.
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But why would he want to be a better member of a group of people treating him this way?
Would you?
Comparing those beheviour to nazis pre ww2 is very accurate
Hitler got his general support thanks to telling the masses they are poor because jews hold the wealth
Haejin earns a lot so lets destroy him the'll be more for us
Isnt that whats repeated time after time by your side???
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'My side' is just me, but others have a similar attitude. I've met plenty who could make more, but choose to help others. Why wouldn't I favour them over someone who rarely does that? I'm not including Bernie as I really don't know what drives him.
The Nazis were truly evil. This is mostly just about money. See Godwin's Law.
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This is not driven by race, or at least I'm assuming not for the majority. Steemit is just a little corner of the internet. It's still working out how it should work. Bernie is some random person who has some power here, so is H. If someone behaves obnoxiously then people are likely to take against them. I should just ignore H as it will take bigger players to have any effect on him, but I can't resist getting involved. I'm not jealous of him and I don't care where he comes from. I don't think he deserves the share of the rewards he gets and I want to see others who work hard get something too. Is that so bad? I apologise for any offence I may have given, but his actions are over the top and I stick by the 'bully' tag.
Plenty of people hate Bernie too, hence his very negative rep. I've no idea what race he could be and really don't care. It's what people do that matters.
I keep saying that Steemit is the wild west and this is a prime example of this. I prefer to work with people who want to build something great here and they have shown support for me. That's what matters to me.
Love...
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Bernie is a loose cannon, but he does some good. What H does is pure greed. It's nothing to do with what the community likes. He's been offered some options, but he just carries on.
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in my humble opinion, I do not think that the issue of haejin will be solved until the real problem in bernie is solved.
Bernie has done some good, though I often think it is a facade.. to hide the fact he is incredibly abusive. Look at @abusereports. For every spammer bernie flags there is a good steemian he tries to drive from the platform.
I stand by this statement. If bernie was out of the picture, I think @haejin could be worked with to limit his upvote abuse.
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Absolutely. Prior to seeing your post I had posted something similar.
I got flagged purely for leaving a comment on Haejin's IBM TA; for someone like me, that makes a big difference. I am new to this platform and was shocked when I saw that.
Haejin does good work, even if it is clear he has a selfish streak. He makes plenty of money, but does not want to upvote the newer readers, as he gets little back from us.
Having said that, I vote purely on content and I will continue to upvote Haejin on that basis.
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You do yourself no favours with such threatening language. I still won't flag you
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Haejin is not the only person abusing Steemit, but he's the most visible. I don't support all that Bernie does, but I think that reigning in some of the biggest earners is good for steemit
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I don't approve of all Bernie does. I like that steemit makes most actions transparent and we can expect to be judged on what we do. Haejin is big enough to get away with a lot as he has scared off many. If he keeps attacking then he can't expect attitudes to change.
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Racist? Try fucking hilarious.
You're a turd that needs to be flushed.
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Overall I have to agree with Haejin. I have left comments before and found that @Kimjumgpoo downvotes ALL comments left on his posts. Franklin flagging others' comments is disgusting and against the spirit of what steemit is about.
Upvoting Kimjongpoo shows a lack of respect for other users, as he affects our reputation just because of his dislike for Haejin. Also the title of his character is clearly meant to be racist as it is targeted at a Korean.
I will agree however that I have rarely seen Haejin upvote others.
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I am finally shocked - down voting one of the most supportive members of this platform, someone that is do anything to support good content, helping newbies and minnows, never self upvotes, never uses bid bots now becomes downvoted by the richest person on this platform? This is ridiculous honestly.
Given the reputation which is now set in stone and the unbelievable rewards daily will maintain that way one could say the experiment Steemit is DEAD. Time to Power Down or a new HF to avoid such dictatorship. What can be down behind curtains or on the blockchain!? Wasn't there certain agreements already? Where are the big whales and witnesses to prevent something like this? @ned @dan @berniesanders @ausbitbank @blocktrades - what can be done now? This is a sad day for Steemit!
Bring back the rules of max 4 or better 2 posts per day!
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This has been going on for some time. Luckily my rep can survive his flagging and has already recovered thanks to the generosity of this community.
I think some mistakes have been made in the design of Steemit and perhaps some can be fixed in future hardforks, but a lot of damage has already been done. A lot of people feel disenfranchised as they see certain people get rich whilst they get nothing. I don't think it's the end as long as some of us keep doing what we think is right.
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very good comments.
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Power down, sell when the price is right.
I don't have any other advice as this point. Nobody gives a fuck.
@ned? @dan? @blocktrades? give me a break...they don't give a shit about making this place better...what the fuck have they done lately?
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Two of them delegate to shitty users quite often. The other claims that he at least tried to change the rest of STINC’s mind to not change the protocols that made this current environment what it is.
But these guys don’t appear to be doing much of anything on Steem/Steemit. Still waiting on communities, a mobile app, improved onboarding, “world-class” documentation, and marketing...you know...the things they said they would deliver in 2017. And now they added SMTs to the list.
Nothing delivered yet. Plenty of promises and I guess what you might be able to call “hype.” That’s about it.
Meanwhile...the platform burns from the piss-poor hard fork changes from last spring that they refuse to acknowledge are a huge fucking problem.
That’s probably the best advice anyone can give right now, especially if you’re someone who needs the money. This place is what it is and there aren’t enough non-scammy douchebags who want to change it.
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Yeah - I share most of your comments @ats-david - I actually still had kind of faith in the platform even we know certain things are f...ed - simply as there are still people trying to change something and where i had the feeling some people take care a bit about this thing - today was just a shock see someone gets flagged for nothing in my point of view from someone owning more power than the owners or the big stakeholders - maybe it is not dead yet! I got some people telling me the platform will survive and is not going to be killed by one raper - haejin is not the one that started raping - he used the existing system in an intelligent way - so blame the ones that created the environment!
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I hope the good people here will keep going. Some are not out to get rich. Steemit is a great platform to empower the world and we'd hate to see that wasted due to a few greedy folk. Ned has his own agenda and wants to stay out of the squabbling.
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haha, they helped a lot with memes. Both such a start lately.
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This is the sad reality - these guys with the three letter names created this platform I heard? In Germany we would say - if all users come together (small and big) and handle this daily with a little of their Voting Power - Der Drops wäre gelutscht! Thanks @berniesanders - I have the fear in 6 months the reward pool left for all others might be under 50%........
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This whole BS is so ridiculous that it’s hard to stay motivated.
It hurts me what I observe! Bad actors wherever you look going after loyal people like Steve! What a shame!
I could only upvote with my 💯 % to help just a little bit @steevc
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So Sorry you have been attacked by this guy Steve, he obviously doesn't know how much you support other people and encourage positive use of the steemit platform. Flagging like this makes me sad :( Steemit is not the positive place it once was
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Thanks. I think the responses here show there are plenty of good people on steemit
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There are tons of good people here, I hope the 'flagging war' situation is resolved soon or we will lose them and that would be a real shame
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yes and you are one of such people. My mom told me something when i was a kid. She said to me my son learn to give up on somethings even if you are right cos it might bring more good to others than you winning and course more harm to people around you.
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This really is the ugly side of Steemit. if people like him keep doing this then in time something else will come along that overcomes this problem (another Steemit) and we all lose.
Either something is going to happen, or else the platform will die due to greed. I for one would hate this to happen.
I know you will read this @haejin, look at the bigger picture, do you want all this to end? Am I going to be the next one to be flagged because Im simply showing you the future and what may happen?
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I wonder if he can keep up with mentions, but there's a high chance he will flag this. Seems he has time for that, but not to vote up his supporters
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I have not much to add. You are a pillar of Steemit society, Steve, and flag wars are stupid.
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Hi @steevc. I appreciate this post very much and yes it is difficult to see this type of behavior. I believe that over time people like him will be outed but we have to bide our time and be careful how we approach it in the meantime. The platform no matter how it is configured will have to allow for some bad behavior. He is exploiting the workings at the moment but this will change over time perhaps. Another thing to consider is that Steemit also encourages those interested in getting a return other their investment to be on the platform. When I see people like Haejin this is what comes to mind. The platform is built for him as well as those looking to progress with good comment. I might be wrong but changing things too much might discourage those who come here to invest. Stay strong.
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Cheers. I appreciate the freedom here, but it allows him to do what he does. We need the community to act to deal with such issues.
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Yeah, I don't think waiting is going to solve anything.
Waiting got us in this mess.
Face it, whales have failed us.
The only way to fix things is for people under them to start flagging more.
I say flag a whale at least once a day, wake them up.
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As mentioned above, I am totally against upvoting Kimjungpoo, as it is against the spirit of what Steemit is supposed to be about and he downvotes everyone, including minows like myself.
Having said that I totally agree with you that more needs to be done to avoid a handful of individuals benefiting at the expense of others who also post good content.
Being relatively new, I am not sure what the solution should be, but I would be very sad to see Steemit fail as I love the platform.
I hope a solution is found soon, as seeing these flame wars is not something that I enjoy.
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I think we should support those doing things we like. We smaller players cannot deal with the big abusers. I hope things will work out
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I agree but things are so interconnected and dealing with things takes time to figure out because they will certainly have other implications above just him. Perhaps give it some time and keep doing your thing.
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I think it is a shame to mis-use power like this and 'steal or kill' rewards like this. Although I like the liberty of this platform, these kind of things are a real pain in the !@# , with the wrong intensions you can break or make some-one.... In Holland we say 'To puge' ..... I will help you were I can Steve !!
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Who is his tame whale, and can we persuade him to stop supporting haejin?
Ultimately though, this issue needs Ned or Dan to step in with a massive downvote on his account. Sadly Dan has gone and only pops in once every few months, but perhaps you can contact Ned?
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i think steemit have to come together and call @haejin have a talk and resolve this issues once and for all and try to bring back those innocent victims i was lucky at that time i guess. Or if it should continue like this more people will fall a victim
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People have tried to talk to him, but he's happy to carry on and there's little we can do about it.
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You can see who gives him the big votes and many suspect he controls that account too.
Ned must know about the issues, but he chooses to not get involved. Dan has his own plans and probably doesn't care what happens to steemit.
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Well, judging by this - clearly a dick and enjoys his whale power. Some blockchains create monsters, prime example here. What can we do though ?
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Remember refken, he was flagged till he left the platform. I wonder if that could happen here.
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I expect others will leave, but I'm sticking around.
BTW I'm not voting on your comment as you already did so.
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Fine with me. I vote for all comments all replies and all post I comment on. I want this to be more like Reddit.
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Why? If they have value then others will vote. Opinions differ on this. I only voted on mine to counter the flag
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I think the value is in activity. Anyone taking the time to comment should get something unless it’s a worthless or irrelevant comment. Of course by power is so low it doesn’t make a big difference. I use 100 pct out of laziness.
Also if you don’t think your post has value why comment? If you do why not vote?
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One issue with self-voting comments is it moves them up the page. I think it should be up to the post author and others to decide what comments have value. I don't comment with the expectation of reward, but I know a lot of people do and I'm less likely to vote on those I don't consider sincere. Steemit is not just about grabbing money. It's a social platform where people should be interacting. I very rarely self-vote. I've only done it recently to counteract some flags.
The stats can be interesting :)
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Why did you even think to downvote that comment @Haejin?
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Haejin engaging with his audience with comments and upvotes would solve a lot of the backlash he receives but to go after someone like yourself disgusts me and is nothing less than vindictive. I personally do not follow or read any of Haejins posts and it baffles me that his following is so large, you have true followers unlike Haejin and are a great role model.
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With all the brilliant minds here on Steemit, it is difficult to imagine nothing can be done. Alas for your pain; 100% upvote... a small contribution.
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Cheers. It's a fact of life here, but I've been cheered up by all the support I've had today
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The witnesses have to push changes in the code. This is a structural problem. It would only take 3 or 4 accounts behaving like this to destroy the platform. An easy way for a competing project to bring this one down. Who wants to be on a platform with bullies? And vote-buying bots rather than people.
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my solidariety and a couple of 100% upvotes (not so much but better than nothing), Steve :)
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Thanks. I expect he will flag me again for speaking out. I don't care so much about the money, but people need to know what he's like
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@holoz0r copped similar earlier.
Now he has the highest rep, nobody can bring it down, @themarkymark has been posting about it.
Where do we go from here? Do we need to upvote a champion to lvl 80, so he can chop haejin back down to size?
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As it stands now, rep is meaningless outside of flagging and impression to new users and outside audience.
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Unless youre score goes under 10 and can't post any images
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Only whales can dent his rep. We can support those he attacks.
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Actually, this is not true, no one can change his rep in the downward direction.
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That's a shame. It shouldn't be able to get that high if the votes are mostly from one account. I suppose we need someone to get a higher rank and flag him.
I fully expect him to flag this post too, but I felt I had to say something.
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As I keep reading these posts, I am coming to realise I did not fully understand the full implications. I still am against kimjungpoo as I think it was unfair to flag me for an innocent comment; however I did not realise that haejin nearly only voted for himself.
I won't flag him, but I have now removed him from my followed list and will not upvote him in future.
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To counteract flagging perhaps. Even if it was not allowed people could do it using proxies. Some do it purely for profit. I only use it if I get flagged
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Touché! Okay, but his votes is worth a lot more than mine and he is making thousands each day anyway. He voted up his own comment for $67 before anyone flagged it. I don't go around flagging anyone who disagrees with me. I care about making steemit his for more people and one person voting themselves massive rewards goes against that. I count his rancho votes as self votes too.
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Apparently your rep can only be damaged by those with a higher rep, which might be the reason for the sudden spike in retaliation flags.
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I'm so sorry! I hate to see how bad people use their power to try to control the freedom of oter people and that user are doing this: he try to close the mouth of people if people do something he doesn't like! It's just violence and it's really a dark side of this cozy community! Now it's really too much time that this user use to flag people who don't appreciate his behaviour here, I think it's really time to stem this bad behaviour!!!
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@steevc, you are a very good guys so please just let this go so that you can continue you good work for you help a lot of people on steemit or else a lot more like myself will miss you badly please we all love you
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I'm not going anywhere. I can't help wanting to fight injustice
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I'm sorry to see the flags on your comment, dear Steve! My 100% upvote doesn't work too much. I'm sad to see people herewho use flag just beacause other people are saying something they don't like.
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They can't handle criticism so they try to hide it. Thanks for your vote
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A little support vote from me...
not big, but still ;-)
As a great steemian once mentioned: " We have a hygiene - problem"
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Haha, time to clean the fridge.
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Cheers. I do love this community. That's what keeps me going.
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I don't like unlimited ability to self vote but but it is a part of Steemit and I'm okay with it.
However, I think that ability to easily flag everyone and wipe their rewards for no valid reasons is not good for this platform...
People will never say their real opinions if they fear devastating flags.
I think some amount of flags should be needed (5?) for posts to actually get flagged or some other abuse preventing mechanisms should be implemented.
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There's a lack of restrictions on what we can do, but people would try to work around limits anyway. You could self-vote indirectly through proxies. I object to bullying behaviour. People have a right to flag here, but abusing it like this is uncalled for.
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Thank you for doing this! One of his initiatives killed @waterloolaw's account. After just posting multiple legit articles - a little enthusiastically I admit. Now she gets flagged for every post and comment. Sadly leaving Steem forever.
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It's sad to see good people chased away. I just felt I had to speak out. It may earn me another flag, but at least it reduces his voting power
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Sorry, I can support you, but I can't support anything that I suspect of being connected to youknowwhosanders. Good luck taking down youknowwhojin, I hope he's taken down soon.
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I have no connection with Bernie and I don't think the flagging bot does either. It was created by @hendrix22 who was tired of being flagged. Bernie does some good stuff, but I don't know his motives
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I was referring to the bot, and hendrix22 is o.k. as far as I know. Thank you.
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He greatly sucks, but you knew that already. I have upvoted some of your flagged posts, not that you will notice much financially, but the intention was good 8-).
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Thanks for your support. This has been an interesting experience. You get to see the true nature of people under stress
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It's not always pretty.
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I can see both sides of this argument because I've been a victim of both sides when I've commented on things in @haejin posts.
If I said something good, I was down voted by everyone who hated Haejin. If I said something bad, or offered differing analysis than what Haejin was offering, I was down voted by accounts that support Haejin. How is that fair? I was simply being honest and giving my own opinion. If you don't like it, than don't vote for it...but it shouldn't be down voted.
The truth is, I don't understand why there are downvotes at all. If content is bad, people won't read it or upvote it. Why do we need down votes?
On one hand, downvotes just give whales the power to destroy anyone they see as a threat. It basically gives whales a monopoly. They can destroy the competition.
On the other hand, it also gives people who are jealous of others success a way to hurt them simply for making good content. Just because you're successful doesn't mean you should be punished.
I say let the free market decide. Stop allowing people to down vote content. A lack of upvotes should be good enough. Also, if you're worried about people only up-voting themselves, why not cap the amount of upvotes you can give yourself? Why not penalize users who have more than a 60% self upvote? This would incentivize people to upvote others and not just themselves.
I'm fairly new here so I don't pretend to have all the answers. I'm just brainstorming. While I certainly don't like the idea of only a few people having a monopoly on steemit, I also don't like the idea of down voting very successful person simply because you feel they're too successful. There has to be a way to keep it fair without down voting. Just my 2 cents...maybe I'm wrong.
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Flagging has uses, some of which are displayed when you do it. I and others think haejin doesn't warrant the rewards he gives himself. We want to see others get a better share
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I can understand...and I agree. That's why I suggested maybe changing the rules so someone can only give themselves a certain percentage of upvotes. I just think if you are able to downvote people, this problem will continue. I think the rules on Steemit need to change. Get rid of down voting as well as the ability to upvote yourself more than a certain amount. Maybe make it so no more than 60% of your upvotes can go to yourself. Just a thought.
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People would get around this with multiple accounts. It's not simple to fix. I still support keeping flagging as a moderation tool, even though it has been used against me. The community has supported me
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I just think down voting gives whales the ability to destroy any competition...but I see your point. You're right, there's not a simple fix.
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if @ned should get involved, people may say he is choosing sides and may lead to a different thing all together. i got downvoted once for commending on their post sometime ago so i never want to get involve that is why i always run when i come across such names. @steevc upvoted even though its small all the same i see @haejin to be a good guy but it's just a little misunderstanding and i can say a lot of people will always upvote themselfs a thousand times if in @haejins position no hard feeling thank you you guys should just make up and i know when you guys come together you can make steemit a more better place to be and we the upcoming too may follow your steps but what when ever i hear @haejin i run and keep running @randomwhale and many others we beg come together as one. you can check my post i barely make 1 sbd on my post if not for buying votes from bots. thanks
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Not all of us self-vote or use bots. Some of us want Steemit to be better for the good of all
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but in your case the downvotes are just too much
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poopy behaviour. just poopy. sorry to hear that @steevec.
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Welcome to the club!
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Ouch. So that's why you have hidden posts now. :(
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I'm afraid so. I was able to vote since back to visibility. I only do that to counter flags
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@steevc dear a boy ,down voted me and that become a reason that my rank become stucked ...what can i do ?
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Just keep doing good stuff and others will support you. We are too small to really fight him
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thanks
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the "flag wars" have started
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They have been going on a while. I'm stepping down for now
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ah ok. i always say @haejin as a positive long term member. he probably has his version of truth too. Since when this bullying is going on? Weeks or months?
Imortant to know for me as I sell steemit as a platform of positive people here in Germany.
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He's done this a long time, but usually he goes after smaller fish he can crush. Steemit still has lots of good people and some will deal with him. He doesn't do much for the platform as he just takes. 99% of his rewards are from his own accounts
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So he massively bought steem AT the beginng?
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I assume so. Some people were able to mine it early on when that was an option.
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did someone challenge him for a talk online? Some people loose their bullying behaviour when they face th public.
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I'm sure people have tried. He just seems to think he's being attacked for nothing.
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what app is that you are using? So he flagged you?
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That's Steemnow
https://steemnow.com/@steevc
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@steevc , can i flagging haejin??
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You can do what you like, but it's a risk he will strike back
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it's a right concept of steemit platform
resteem done
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Yes, haejin is an @$$. But, you do have to hand it to him: he is very successfully robbing the rewards pool. He would insist that he's being rewarded for creating good, consistent content & developing an audience - and, he could make that point. Except for one thing: he upvotes himself with 94.1% of his voting power. That's just plain greedy, compared to how the vast majority of Steemians give a significantly higher percentage of upvotes to other people who are creating good content.
As far as him dogging your payouts this week: if you mess with the bull, you get the horns. I've tangled very softly with haejin myself, and taken a couple of downvotes from him. But, I am careful to make an honest attempt at commenting on his posts & the overall disagreement that many people have with his behavior on this platform.
Unfortunately, haejin does not uphold the Steemian spirit that this platform was created with. I believe it's intended to be equally balanced between making a profit and helping others to do the same. Win - Win, right? Well, haejin has created a Win - Lose situation. He's an @$$, but there are still a good number of people following him. They're probably newer users who don't know any better.
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He's a celebrity, but that doesn't make him a good person. I just want people to see what he's really like. Expect this post to get flagged too
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See his reply, with hefty vote, above. I doubt he will give up his money mine.
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His amount of followers means nothing, have you ever seen the comments on his posts? He hardly gets any community interaction. Most of his followers are dust accounts. I see people with tonnes less followers get WAYYYY more comments and interaction on their posts. Everything about the @haejin account is fake, the views the followers, look below the surface, there are only like 4 or 5 people on STEEM that actually support him, out of 30,000 strong? 30,000 WEAK lol.
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Im curious to know how organic his followers are.
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Somebody should find out. :D
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I doubt many of them are real. Thanks for your support today.
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Time to bridge the healz on this issue.
Holy flying fucknuggets this war is still ongoing?
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OUCH
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incredible, this is very entertaining reader, I really like it go on friend
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Cheers. I hope people can help you recover your rep
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Definitely, my downvote is only worth 60 cents, and I can only give HJ'in a couple a day because I like to be able to still upvote in the community, he came twice in this last week and removed 180.00 of my potential earnings.
Play fair? He don't know the meaning of that. He just wants to suck this place as dry as he can with his promobot @ranchorelaxo that he pays for off the blockchain, yet has the gall to complain about people using promo bots lolol! Such a sad little man he is.
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Oh yeah, I've always been a delegator, first 5,000 to @steemlegion, and then when they stopped flagging I transferred it to @hendrix22, @weflaghaejin and @flagthedonkey. Later when the donkey started flagging me anyways, even though I never made a direct hit, I took some SP back and started flagging him myself, I still have a couple thousand between hendrix and weflaghaejin.
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