Moving to hive

kryzsec (59) · 7 years ago

To the people that don't seem to understand. The value of your upvote is calculated based off of some function of how much steem is in the reward pool, if the reward pool hits 0 then your upvote (and downvote) are worth 0 Steem, 0 SBD, 0... Right now we are still able to make 1000 SBD upvotes, and consequently, downvotes, but if we keep allowing people to take 10,000+ Steem a month then our reward pool will deplete way to fast and destroy the community.

Thank you bernie for taking the bullet for the little guys! Its almost debatable on whether steemit deserves someone that actually cares for the community like you. #bernieforwitness

well, nextgencrypto but same thing different pile.

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karenmckersie (74) · 7 years ago

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ozmaga (50) · 7 years ago

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ozmaga (50) · 7 years ago

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kult300 (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

I really understand this and I agree. I also mentioned it in an article that @berniesanders had good intentions. https://steemit.com/steemit/@kult300/how-to-downvote-right
But there are so many whales which abusing the reward pool. Watch out.

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marketanalysis (44) · 7 years ago

Thank you for this eloquent explantation

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taimoorahmad (58) · 7 years ago

Holy crap. He's son of a mother ><

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steemlegion (50) · 7 years ago

YES. Back with a vengeance the Bernie we know and love. If anyone wants to contribute to the battle anonymously see our blog for instructions.

It's not much, but we now have ~6000 SP thanks to a few brave Steemians.

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bitfiend (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

Between this and all the plagiarism and abuse that goes on, it's only a matter of time before this system implodes if nothing is done. Seeing @haejin's posts I see little to no contribution to the platform other than charts and predictions.

Here's what I think about people making $30,000 from "predictions":

Beloved, believe not every spirit, 
but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:1 KJV

I just hope you keep a level head. I agree though, we are all standing by like little bitches and taking it while this guy rapes our rewards. My question is when is enough going to be enough? Until he has a $10 million dollar account? 50 million?

I hope everyone realizes that he's going to upvote himself when he gets to that point, assuming he doesn't cash out.

Why does a TA get 30k a week? If his predictions are so mega awesome, then he's already stupid rich. So is everyone watching him. Why more? I can haz some wealth too?

Can my $0.04 upvote be worth something or will that be stripped away by this TA also?

Because I can guarantee you -- when this guy bails with his millions, I will still be here powering up. What's better for the community? Giving one guy 30k a week or giving 30 really sweet minnows 1k a week? or maybe 300 minnows $100 a week?

Anyone who can read the white paper can see that the rewards pool is limited

Just because it seems unlimited doesnt mean that it isn't. Of course I know that people have argued the rewards pool should be raised. Okay, 9 billion coins a day so we dilute the hell out of everything. We can all have 16 trillion coins but when they're worth nothing don't stand around wondering why. Don't be like "Oh fuck, we should have listened to that crazy bernie guy, or that crazy grumpy cat. Oh man. We fucked up"

Well, greed is why decentralization can fail. People that want to do something to stop it is why decentralization can succeed.

So all you greedy guys out there, what side are you on? 'Cause if you say you're for decentralization, you clearly need to re-examine your logic when a self-governed system still has limits

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5 votes

entrepreneur916 (60) · 7 years ago

The plagiarism kills me man, I try and call attention to that as much as I can.

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momskitchen (61) · 7 years ago

Upped and resteemed @berniesanders !! we must get the word out about this B.S !!!✌👍😀

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indurkin (48) · 7 years ago

You can threaten anyone you want, but the truth of the matter is that there are plenty of people with far more SP than you and your little bitch will ever have.

Like I said in my reply, you're fucked.

I'm not interested in taking sides but where did that come from? What did I miss?

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creatovert (58) · 7 years ago

I'm pretty sure sir @berniesanders will be on the top witness throne if he decides to go for it!
Do you have any plans as running up as a witness sir? If you do, you have 5000 followers who'll vote for you :D

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14 votes

pathtosuccess (51) · 7 years ago

i suggest you vote for nextgencrypto for witness ... hint hint :)

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creatovert (58) · 7 years ago

Ohhh... I've set @ats-david 's witness ID @ats-witness as a proxy. He too doesn't support any form of bullshit in Steemit. I'm pretty sure he'll vote for bernie sir!

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biasnarrative (51) · 7 years ago

nextgencrypto is bernie. :]

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creatovert (58) · 7 years ago

Yeah I missed his previous announcement :)

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marketanalysis (44) · 7 years ago

People dont understand that 1 person can simply take so much of the reward pool no one will get crap!

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14 votes

ganjagirls (59) · 7 years ago

I guess ganja & flag wars is good! <3

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karenmckersie (74) · 7 years ago

Go Bernie Go Bernie @berniesanders !! 👍👍👍💕😀

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3 votes

mmckersie (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

Is this the reason why our posts keep going down in value?

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4 votes

marketanalysis (44) · 7 years ago

Does this effect the value of your upvote?!

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kryzsec (59) · 7 years ago

Yes, the value of other posts does directly effect the value of your upvote and consequently the value of your posts.

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bitfiend (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

This is exactly why our posts keep going down in value. It seems not enough people know this.

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trumpman (72) · 7 years ago

Bernie keep the good fight!

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erodedthoughts (66) · 7 years ago

I love when Trump supports Bernie.

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jpbaliw (32) · 7 years ago

Lol. Hahaha

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isnochys (66) · 7 years ago

@grumpycat .. @berniesanders
Come on!
My popcorn reserves are depleted!
Need to buy new stock for this weekend!

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sinner (50) · 7 years ago

the user "thenightflier" is abusing the pool reward cause his best friend witness upvoting him every shit he is posting. downvoter, check him!

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salahchiva (59) · 7 years ago

yes i igree with you haejin is the big scammer in this platform
Watch out for him

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alxgraham (58) · 7 years ago

Hey "Bernie Good Whale". I recorded a short video asking a few questions, which i'm uploading now. Hopefully you have a few minutes, and hopefully in the future we can talk. I'd love to hear your side of story, on some level at least, whatever that would take, please advice. Alx.

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alxgraham (58) · 7 years ago

I like your liberal use of curse words lol. But the STORY here, i think, ends up with you choosing to be the MUCH bigger man than H____, and making some bomb ass shit happen on the positive side, with the probably 100's of absolutely real geniuses who're on steemit right now. Sorry about the background sound, my laptop pretty suddenly got hot.

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alxgraham (58) · 7 years ago

I voted for myself just because i'm weak as fuck and wanted to potentially get your attention. To that i guess i just pull out my eighth favorite made up saying: "Shhhhh,it Happens". I'm sure we'll talk one day. I'd just be happiest if it were today. I'm pulling an all nighter so i can be on my kids schedule this weekend. They're eight and six, and they've heard of you lol. If you wanted, they could interview you instead. That'd be fucking awesome. Please think about it! Thanks, Alx

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bachone (54) · 7 years ago

Interesting I thought everyone was all friendly just yesterday.

I like you and your posts, but if a small fish like me starting to flag someone larger, my reputation can be killed in an instant, I think that is why not many "minnows" will participate in such action.

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marketanalysis (44) · 7 years ago

This is exactly why..i wouldnt mess with a whale unless youre a bigger whale..and that still will cost you..very little benefit unless youre trying to improve the platform.

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thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

What is the good in downvoting when he has enough SP to eclipse a thousand small fries? If you want your SP to be used for downvoting, give STEEM to someone like Randowhale who also pays back its value in SBD.

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4 votes

californiacrypto (61) · 7 years ago

If thats the case steemit has a flaw its not Haejin fault. But can we not go through all this again. You guys need to find a real solution not a dumb flag war.

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freebornsociety (61) · 7 years ago

Steem isn't flawed, flags, that were originally downvotes, are necessary to prevent this abuse.
What could we do if dissent wasn't allowed to bite as hard as support?
We'd get a circle jerk raping the reward pool and not have a recourse.

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californiacrypto (61) · 7 years ago

I didnt say the flags are a flaw. Its a flaw that allows one guy to rape the rewards pool.

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tatchcapital (47) · 7 years ago

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californiacrypto (61) · 7 years ago

Classic

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californiacrypto (61) · 7 years ago

Bernie gota be the bigger man and figure out a different way. All this is hurting the community. I follow both of you and have before all this started.

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kryzsec (59) · 7 years ago

flagging doesn't hurt the community, if anything it allows the community to grow when 2 big fish go on a flagging war with eachother. Think about it, your upvote is worth more when there is more money in the reward pool, your upvote is worth nothing once that reward pool is depleted.

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californiacrypto (61) · 7 years ago

Just splitting the community up. I follow both of them upvote whatever post i like on both sides. I personally dont take part in the flag wars.

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kryzsec (59) · 7 years ago

I don't either because I could take away at most like 0.20 from either of them. Instead I focus on upvoting decent posts and let the bigger ones fight it out, since it would take like 350 of me to equal 1 haejin vote and I do not know exactly how much SP bernie has distributed over all of his accounts (as he uses anonsteem to make them) but I believe he had between 1 and 2 million SP at his peak. So that is like 1000 of me kind of thing and that is just 2 of them, there are hundreds with more SP than either of us

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californiacrypto (61) · 7 years ago

Yeah same here. Just bought my first batch of steem hopefully that will help my steem power. But yeah it still wont be nothing close to these guys.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

What happens to the so-called agreement? I'm expecting this anyway. @haejin is the embodiment of greed. Shame on him!

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

I decided to not bow to the threats I received. Fuck them.

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alxgraham (58) · 7 years ago

Please please contemplate the possibility of ignoring the guy and his crypto witchcraft. I know you're a giant compared to myself, duh, but at the same time, it takes all types. I'm a hyper creative childish figure with skills that could certainly be brought to bear if and when the goal becomes to demonstrate conclusively, that you ARE, not just a good whale, but a fucking Great Whale. Alx PS: i'll stop commenting now, but all nighters, they tend to get weird. :)

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

ignoring problems does not make them go away

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alxgraham (58) · 7 years ago

But for the most part, unless you're making a controlled "bern", it's not most effective IMO, fighting fire with fires. I guess if bernie is putting a lot of money back in the reward pool for the people, that's cool, but i tend to think that the power could be used for true good. You cannot really defeat evil, and actually have to replace it. If haejin is that who knows, seems extreme, probably just mad greedy. Will fighting with haejin make him go away? Seems unlikely.

What do you think should be done @anarchyhasnogods?

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

capitalism is a system that promotes greed, there is no way to escape making more greedy people and putting them at the top of society.

there is no effective way to fight them, and I see nothing wrong with fighting them head on. Putting the money back into the reward pool is the goal.

What do you even mean by true good? (good and evil are also social constructs so it doesn't even matter)

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studgriffin (48) · 7 years ago

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

them going away isn't the point, its to redistribute the amount of money he is getting from the pool.

and follows are not where his money is coming from, the vast majority is coming from a single person

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danielwong (67) · 7 years ago

Man what this guy is doing is ridiculous. Every day this continues to happen it's less for everyone else and for the new signups and minnows, it's gonna be so discouraging to them when they post quality content about their lives and stuff and get nothing for it.

Steemit is suppose to empower people that didn't have an outlet to produce content and earn from it.

What's happening is killing the pond and the ecosystem of Steemit.

This is non other than a rewardpoolrape!

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nicholas83 (56) · 7 years ago

OMG. Here we go again.

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spaceginger (61) · 7 years ago

I got zero idea what's going on here but I know Bernie Sanders is some kind of American politician or something and that's about it. Pretty weird your level is a minus lol.

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marketanalysis (44) · 7 years ago

There is a feud stay tuned

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sames (65) · 7 years ago

Wait I thought you two made a truce?

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praise-eu (67) · 7 years ago

I admire you courage and boldness @berniesanders. It doesnt matter whose ox is gued as long as you speak what you think is correct. I commend you for that though the world may hate you for that. Altimately you will be remembered by and by. Keep on with the good work.

May I use this medium to ask if the chainBB project is closed. No more upvote coming from you and others. That platform brought life line to newbies like us who have strugged for months to make a cent from posts. Blessings

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hooiyewlim (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

@berniesanders i provide you the example that show he is not an expert
https://steemit.com/teammalaysia/@hooiyewlim/the-are-no-experts-in-cryptocurrency

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moon32walker (71) · 7 years ago

What do you think about this? https://steemit.com/flags/@moon32walker/fascists-behind-adsactly-account

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gilc (34) · 7 years ago

they should not fight

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omstavan (52) · 7 years ago

Can you please elaborate how he violated the truce conditions? However, we must find some solution for reward pool rape!

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

I don't know the exact terms of the "truce" other than powering up 6 out of 10 posts, but I don't particularly like the idea of him bullying on @Steemcleaners in retaliation for downvotes from @adm. I can kind of see the reward pool raping...afterall, that is how the game was created. However, I think he would be better off if he just ignored downvoters and accepted that some people would downvote him on their own accord. Anyway, I suspect that this has something to do with it.

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danyelk (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

Is the STEEMIT FLAG WAR @berniesanders vs @haejin back on???

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freebornsociety (61) · 7 years ago

Let me see if i got this right, you want support for your dissent, but any dissentions that you don't agree with are not deserving of support?

I don't like the reward pool getting raped by anybody, but until dissent gets some support around here, what do you want me to do?

Dissent is very important to staying on the path, if all you get is circle jerked by sycophants and dupes what do you expect to happen?

Thanks for caring, Bernie.

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oyvindsabo (53) · 7 years ago

I won't comment on Haejin's content, but I do want to take his side on this. The whole ecosystem on Steem is based on content getting rewarded based on who likes it, so if people find value in Haejin's work, he deserves whatever it pays him. That's how Steem works. We could, however, discuss if this is the ideal system for Steem, but Haejin is playing by the rules (as far as I know), so if anyone thinks he doesn't deserve his rewards, you should criticize Steem and not Haejin.

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pathtosuccess (51) · 7 years ago

You've got half of how Steem works. The half you like. Most people like.

There is another half. The half that allows for people to disagree with the potential rewards a post is going to receive. The rewards are not the person's until they are paid out, until then they are potential and any SP holder can disagree with the amount and reduce that by downvoting.

The disagreement with potential rewards doesn't have to be about the content. It could be the size of the rewards, the frequency of the postings receiving them or the fact that the rewards are generated by a very small number of votes rather than accumulating through a large number of voters upvoting to generate the reward. For instance, one vote giving $300 in rewards on a post is excessive for anyone. Multiply that by multiple posts in a day it goes over the top.

So, the system is working. It just needs to be working completely, not just the part that is liked.

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oyvindsabo (53) · 7 years ago

You make a valid point. Downvotes targeting payout, rather than content does actually make sense. In my head it just seems more right if the system was made so that a dislike meant that you disliked the content and a like meant that you liked the content. It just feels wrong to dislike decent content just to limit the liking.

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pathtosuccess (51) · 7 years ago

from a Facebook mindset .. what you're saying makes sense.

The difference is that on FB there is a centralized authority to deal with the real bad actors. On Steemit .. it is up to the community to deal with issues.

The joys of adjusting to a decentralized system.

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seanytan (60) · 7 years ago

'The joys of adjusting to a decentralized system.'

nicely put

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crypto3lite (44) · 7 years ago

Seemit Wars 2 , dam

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ifartrainbows (48) · 7 years ago

Hell yeah, steem already correcting itself at the news the pool is being saved again.

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phgnomo (64) · 7 years ago

Wait, what? What happened to the peace agreement? Haejin broke the terms?

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omstavan (52) · 7 years ago

and it starts again. I hope this time it is resolved for the good of steemit!

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putryy (45) · 7 years ago

Anyone can work as he wishes
So threats like that should not be matured our spirit
So there is no reason to be afraid of threats because we work from ourselves

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sinner (50) · 7 years ago

i didn't know about the threats...

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kingsberry (58) · 7 years ago

Waiting to see flag war against @haejin.

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markkujantunen (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

@haejin is making out like a bandit. If he only made a lot of money for his readers with correct large market cap coin analyses, then fine. But the micro market cap coins are all too easy to manipulate. Be careful, people.

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hooiyewlim (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Here is a good example.
https://steemit.com/teammalaysia/@hooiyewlim/the-are-no-experts-in-cryptocurrency

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marketanalysis (44) · 7 years ago

I dont think he is trying to pump micro cap coins...but with his youtube audience..he definitely can.

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steemengineteam (71) · 7 years ago

Hello berniesanders!

We have found your post and the @SteemEngineTeam wants you aboard!

We are the fastest growing content, vote and follower sharing community on Steem. Please see our introduction post for details on how to join and start earning more votes!

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pariza (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

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Your Reputation Could be a Tasty Snack with the Wrong Comment!

spaminator (68) · 7 years ago

Generic comments could be mistaken for spam.

Thank You! ⚜

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omstavan (52) · 7 years ago

wrong place to spam bro! get ready for the incoming flags!

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dragonking (57) · 7 years ago

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dragonking (57) · 7 years ago

If I'm wrong you have to warn me. But without any asking you downvote me. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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madushanka (74) · 7 years ago

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madushanka (74) · 7 years ago

Why you flagged me

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davedickeyyall (73) · 7 years ago

Stupid question #1

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madushanka (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

What? Ok I don't want flag war. I leave from here.

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hooiyewlim (68) · 7 years ago

since you love him so much, try explain this.
https://steemit.com/teammalaysia/@hooiyewlim/the-are-no-experts-in-cryptocurrency

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studgriffin (48) · 7 years ago

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hooiyewlim (68) · 7 years ago

what it show here is that @haejin is not an expert as he claim .
If you all follow him blindly, you will be burn in no time.

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rik432 (0) · 7 years ago

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ratul8940 (0) · 7 years ago

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studgriffin (48) · 7 years ago

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago (edited)

I know you're too fucking ignorant to see how the system works, but anything that do is "working in my favor". Any flag, upvote, etc. they spend power on that isn't on haejin's posts is working in my favor.

Seriously, you fucking morons need to learn how Steem works already. You're just making yourself look like you have no ability to learn and comprehend.

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trumpman (72) · 7 years ago

thanks for taking the bullet for us

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studgriffin (48) · 7 years ago

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