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jennamarbles (57) · 8 years ago (edited)

Excuse me, I thought only about the good. I watched a lot of challenge on YouTube. And they all work on this principle. I'm not a marketer. I am an ordinary teacher.

I am very sad that all you see only 4 the point of my conversion. Although he is there symbolically. I didn't think someone would be able to refuse. Because to do good is so simple and is so nice.

I have nothing against that would change that. For me, the main idea is to show people that STEEMIT can do amazing good things together. Let's change the rules of the game, I created them as I felt right. You think otherwise, and I can hear you. We're a community, we can discuss it. Tell me how, I do not have this experience. The idea of a marathon because good? Let's fill STEEMIT kindness and love. Let's keep the main thing:

Do a good deed!
Tell us about it on STEEMIT use hashtag #heartgoodnesschallenge.
Send your challenge to any three users.
I'm not looking for fame, I want to do good. Do NOT need to abandon their intentions. Fix my mistakes. Let's run this marathon together.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

thanks, @jennamarbles.

of course, I saw past "your 4 point conversion." I would have hoped that was clear as progressing through the entirety of the article. I think the conflict just came down subtleties in the languaging of the delivery. My intention was to draw attention to the impact such had on the deliverability of what was obviously a well-intentioned proposal.

good luck with this project, though I'm not the person to run the marathon with you. :-)

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liberosist (70) · 8 years ago (edited)

I completely understand @jennamarbles ' intentions - noble they certainly are - but I agree with @piedpiper . It's best for the community at this stage to not to have competitions and divisions, particularly based on what is a noble idea. It is just going to divide us.

That said, if you truly fulfill your promise of supporting charities without any other agenda, all power to you, Sir. :)

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jennamarbles (57) · 8 years ago (edited)

They all say that don't like my method of presentation, but I have no one to tell. Us 30 thousand and everyone says different.. I'd like to discuss many issues, how to do better. To ask for advice.

And instead of support get the blame. I wanted it to be fun. And STEEMIT filled with good deeds.

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liberosist (70) · 8 years ago

I know, I know. Like I said before, both here and on @piedpiper's post, I admire and respect your intentions. Don't worry about it, keep doing what you're doing. We are just expressing our opinions.

Maybe you can organise something where you encourage people to do good deeds. BUT not make it a challenge or a competition. Good deeds should be done without any other motivation but to do the good deed, and certainly not to win a challenge or competition.

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jennamarbles (57) · 8 years ago (edited)

I long thought how to think of it as a game . And I came across a video - calling the " ice - bucket " I was surprised by its popularity . I thought it an excellent idea. STEEMIT are lacking in the communities where they could share with his idea to ask for advice .

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positive (61) · 8 years ago (edited)

Regarding @rok-sivante

This was a very low-quality rehash of @piedpiper 's article.

Anyways, you're not any better and I resent your arrogant undertones.

You're trying to play morally superior by hinting @jennamarbles was dishonest (regardless of your disclaimer "oh but I'm sure she's nice").

Her challenge was no attack, so I see no reason to shit on it.

I've personally spoken to @jennamarble and she's a friendly person, so I really disapprove of this base behaviour.

However, I resent your sanctimonious tone, and if there's a person I resent it's a sanctimonious person.

You are NOT better than her for deciding to declare your charity donations.

After all your are deciding to declare your decision NOT to declare your charity donations, so your criticism should be pointed at yourself.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

I never meant to suggest I'm better in any way. However, it is possible that's how it came across. It's quite possible that as Kate's message came off differently than intended, so did mine. And it's quite possible that there are indeed arrogant undertones in the writing. I did used to be a pretty condescending, arrogant bastard - and while I've weeded out alot of my shadow traits, there's no doubt some arrogance left that might creep in from time to time. and perhaps, there is still some sanctimoniousness left in my shadows that you're helping bring light to.

As such, I thank you for bringing this to my attention. While I feel your separate article was going over the top and bordering on defamation, I see the clarity in what you put forth here, respect the straightforwardness - and while my ego may not be happy, do appreciate the feedback.

I never meant it to be any sort of shitting on Kate, simply honest feedback of how she rubbed me the wrong way with the presentation of her challenge.

Though the irony of this loop - clearly, your feedback is simply honest feedback of how I rubbed you the wrong way - proving that what triggered me about Kate's miscommunication also exists in me.

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nia-kningty (45) · 8 years ago (edited)

Have you tried speaking to @rok-sivante? I read that you accused Kate of being a bot before (or is it your tactic to create a reaction from her, so you can get her number :)), now I learned that you gave her a benefit of the doubt and reached out to her. You accused Rok (and me. Unfairly so) at a point of defamation, and still got a fair response. Don't you think it's fair if you do the same and reach out to him, if you're SO passionate about this issue?

I agree that Kate meant no harm btw.

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positive (61) · 8 years ago

haha! I thought she was a Catfish. :)

We have spoken, and I feel as though he's a good guy after all.

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nia-kningty (45) · 8 years ago

So you have spoken to Rok before? If that's what I thought you were saying, than I know for sure that you are not telling the truth.

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positive (61) · 8 years ago

I have no idea what you mean? Perhaps English is a language barrier.
Are you asking me if I've discussed this matter on steemit with rok-sivante? If so, then I have.

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nia-kningty (45) · 8 years ago (edited)

Quote: "I've personaly spoken to jennamarbles, and she's a friendly person." That's what I meant by reaching out. You haven't tried to reach out or spoken to Rok.

My understanding is speaking to someone and chatting with someone on comment section is two different things.

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nippel66 (64) · 8 years ago

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kevinwong (76) · 8 years ago (edited)

Handling a local orphanage.. :)
Anyway everytime when it comes to this, it kinda minds me of this funny episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Just plain old misunderstanding and funny human moments xD

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

lol. :-)

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anduweb (61) · 8 years ago

Did someone challenge @dantheman to this one as he just pulled out 13k Steem of of his account :):):)
Just kidding, trying to lighten the mood a bit given the negativity around.

I think @jennamarbles' intentions were good. It matters is that she's seeing she overstepped some boundaries and is wiling to change her approach to reach her true goal: doing good deeds for others. The goal is noble and should be given credit.
Constructive feedback is also welcome in such situations. As long as everyone keeps it constructive.

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spookypooky (55) · 8 years ago

Somewhat reminiscent of the whole "ice-bucket" challenge. Interesting concept, catchy excecution, held back by 'rules' and 'spirits of the game'. Give your way and give what you can miss. Bureaucracy-free social economy is the strongest selling point of Steemit.

Good on you for donating to something on your own terms.

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acidyo (80) · 8 years ago

I read @piedpiper's response to it, and before that I hadn't even heard of the game. But you are correct: "Don't put people on the spot like this with an ultimatum." That was the worst part of it all, instead of working more like everyone else is, and then contributing votes and SP earned to a charity, she chose to go the unethical way and put people on the spot or lose 10% of their wallets... not cool.

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jennamarbles (57) · 8 years ago (edited)

I am not a marketer , I did what they are doing everything "ice-bucket" challenge. We are a community and we can change the rules of the game .

It is not hard ! I did not want to force anyone . This was not the main idea of my .

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steemedbroccoli (51) · 8 years ago

You must sell all of your belongings in the next 15 minutes, give the money to the first homeless person you see, and live on the streets eating nothing but dirt or you are an awful person!

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

that sounds about right. :-p

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benjojo (70) · 8 years ago (edited)

I have nothing against this post or it's author rok-sivante. I understand why he was upset by jennamarbles 'challenge,' though I don't agree with everything in the post or the way his points have been made.

I am deeply surprised at how many whale votes this post has collected. Was there any need for a post of this length to deal with jennamarbles' over-enthusiasm? Is this post worth all these rewards when her post attempting to start a viral charity effort has received approximately $20? I'm a little disheartened to be honest. I think jennamarbles is deserving of a touch more faith and a lot more understanding.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

though in the end, it brought more attention to her challenge, didn't it...? ;-)

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exitmass (57) · 8 years ago

I agree with you 100%

I had so much more to say but deleted it, it wasn't needed.

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https://steemit.com/votefunding/@steemit-inga/my-name-is-inga-and-steemers-please-multiply-community-healing-power-and-help-this-amazing-little-fighter

mranderson (57) · 8 years ago (edited)

I can tell you as a person supporting a great cause that most importantly could make the difference in a little girl's life, but at the same time promote STEEM in a way that no marketing department could.

I is gut wrenching to watch other posts that are a great read, but no different than the houndred other ones before it that talked about how to follow the whales.

It is embarrassing for me to think that I fell for it hook, line, sinker that STEEMIT could bring the world something different. Sure there are scams out there and there is a little bit of luck involved, but then you have real stories with easily verifiable authenticity and it is ignored. They are ignored over and over.

Here is a real story, happening right now that any reasonable logical person could immediately see the upside for everyone; and it appears to be written in a way you prefer. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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rockymtnbarkeep (48) · 8 years ago

I am VERY interested in benefiting from the "Hookers and Blow" charity. More information on this please.

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