[생각] 최전선에서 싸운 병사에게 상을 내리지 않으면 누가 다음 전쟁에 앞장설까?

in hive-101145 •  5 years ago 

이번 하이브/스팀 사태가 소강상태로 접어들고 있습니다. 개인적으로도 스트레스를 많이 받았기에 의식적으로 잠시 거리두기를 하며 (사회적 거리두기??) 휴식을 취하고, 새로운 정신으로 새로운 관점에서 접근해보려고 하는 중인데요.

여러 사연과 이유와 상황이 있었지만, 결과적으로는 "아군"(스팀, 특히 상당수 KR 포함) 과 "적군"(하이브, 특히 몇몇 구증인들) 의 전쟁이 되었습니다.

전쟁이란 것이 대부분 그렇듯, 쌍방 다 피해를 보게 됩니다. 그리고 특히 최전선에 있는 사람들이 가장 피해를 많이 보게 되죠.


아직 전쟁이 끝난 것은 아니지만, 이 시점에서 한번 생각해 봅니다. 누가 적극적으로 싸워주었는가?

포스팅이나 댓글 등으로 참여하신 분들도 있고, 스파 위임 또는 투표로 힘을 실어주신 분들도 있고, 이런저런 기술적인 부분 등을 지원해주신 분들도 있습니다. 시간, 정성, 자금 등등 다양한 부분에서 많은 분들이 노력해주셨지요.

그리고 아군 중 피해가 큰 곳은 어디였을까?

간단한 예로, 하이브측에 부정적인 의견을 소신있게 냈던 분들은 아마 몇몇 강성 하이브파로부터 살해 위협, 욕설, 다운보팅 등의 피해를 입으셨을 겁니다.


의견을 내는 것, 침묵하는 것, 바꾸는 것. 전쟁에 참가하는 것, 강건너 불구경하듯 보는 것 등.

다 자유입니다. 사람들마다 가치관이나 생각이 천차만별인데 어떻게 뜻이나 행동이 다 같을 수가 있겠습니까.

  • 미국 독립의 영웅 조지 워싱턴이 나중에 회고하기를, 가장 힘들었던 것은 전투 자체가 아니라 "미국" 사람들의 지원을 얻는 것이었다고 합니다. 실제로 1/3은 미국 독립 찬성, 1/3은 무관심, 1/3은 영국 통치 찬성 이었다는 이야기도 있죠.

다만 적어도 제게는 확실한 것은, 자기 편을 들어준 사람에게 적절한 보답을 하지 않으면 다음에는 그 사람이 내 편을 들어주지 않을 것이란 점입니다. 그리고 그걸 지켜본 다른 사람들도 내 편을 들어주지 않겠죠.

예를 들어서 이번 하이브 에어드랍 배제되신 분들. 프록시나 직접 투표 등으로 지원하다가, 아니 전투에 참여하다가 피해를 본 사람들에게 합당한 보답을 하지 못하면, 다음에 과연 누가 지원을 해줄까요?

이 전쟁이 어떻게든 결착을 짓고 결과적으로 스팀이 다시 잘 돌아가기 시작한다고 생각을 해봅시다. 아마 분명 이런 사례들이 나올겁니다 (외국 유저들 중에는 이미 보이는군요):

  • 전쟁할때는 슬쩍 빠져있다가, 나중에 나타나서 이러쿵 저러쿵, 이게 맞네 틀리네, 이렇게 해달라 저래달라.

이런 자들이 피흘리며 싸운 자들과 같은 권리를 요구하거나 심지어 더 바라는게 많아지면,

그리고 그게 받아들여지면,

그게 바로 망할 징조일겁니다. 내분으로 망하던, 다음 외부 공격에 모래성처럼 허물어지던.


아직도 스팀에 기생충처럼 붙어있는 적들을 박멸하고 나면... 좀더 구체적인 방안들을 논의하고 통과시키도록 하겠습니다.

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I think it's important to listen to your body. After having won a great battle, you should feel invigorated. You should feel good about yourself. You should feel excited. Instead, you feel tired and stressed out. This is because you have gone against your own nature. You have betrayed yourself. If you want to free yourself of your burden, you should reconcile with yourself and make amends for your wrongs.

Do you really want us to give you a higher reward because people have said bad things to you? You have done worse to yourself. You have done worse to us, the Steem people who do not agree with your actions. If Steem survives it will be in spite of you, not because of you.

나는 당신의 몸을 듣는 것이 중요하다고 생각합니다. 큰 전투에서 승리 한 후에는 활기가 넘칠 것입니다. 자신에 대해 기분이 좋아야합니다. 당신은 흥분 느낌이 있어야합니다. 대신 피곤하고 스트레스를 받는다. 당신이 당신의 본성을 거스 르기 때문입니다. 당신은 자신을 배신했습니다. 자신의 짐에서 벗어나려면 자신과 화해하고 잘못을 수정해야합니다.

사람들이 당신에게 나쁜 말을했기 때문에 우리에게 더 높은 보상을주기를 정말로 원하십니까? 당신은 자신에게 더 나쁜 짓을했습니다. 당신의 행동에 동의하지 않는 Steem 사람들, 당신은 우리에게 더 나쁜 짓을했습니다. Steem이 살아남 으면 그것은 당신 때문이 아니라 당신에도 불구하고있을 것입니다.

응원할게여!! 힘내봐쇼

I'm fine. I have no guilt.

It seems that you do not understand the original article. Maybe google translate did not work well for this case.

What you said is basically irrelevant to what I wrote, so I am not sure whether I could reply to you properly.

But I can tell you two things from what you wrote:

  1. it is really funny that people like you assume what other people think, while in many case, including this one, what you think is completely imaginary.

  2. It seems that you don't even know what's going on. Ignorance itself is not a fault, but please mind your own business.

Perhaps you are right on the translation. They don't typically work too well with the way most people talk/write. Maybe that is the case with Korean. In any case, I do make an effort to understand and be understood where others may not. I also adjust my writing style to a manner which I hope will be better understood by the translator. So it's possible that both instances are distorted.

  1. You are always free to correct me on what you think instead of dodging the conversation. In absence of contradiction, I have no reason to correct myself.

  2. Do I not own Steem? Is this post not recorded on the Steem blockchain? The answer to both of those questions is "Yes" therefore, it is my business.

It is funny that people like you assume what other people think, while in many cases, including this one, what you think is completely imagined.

I have followed the situation. I participated in a number of the forums between Tron and other Steemians. I have read posts from you, and others whom you support, in which you tried to justify the freezing of accounts after you criticized the freezing of accounts in the past. I have seen you try to justify taking away the ability of an account to stop a mistaken transfer. Based on your previous statements, these attempts to justify those actions seems to go against who you are. It is hypocritical.

So you were talking about completely different subject. Now I understand what you are trying to say.

I am tired of these issues related to 22.2 cabal, but it seems that I have not talked to you directly, I will give you a benefit of doubt and briefly write one more time.

  1. In general, I do not agree "freezing" someone's account.

  2. I believe that people who violate the "rule" first do not deserve to be protected by the "rule".

For example, if some soccer players use hands to shoot the ball saying that they have "reasons" for it (and cannot provide any concrete evidence except some situational/subjective ones), I think that the other team might also use hands to counter them.

But the analogy doesn't really fit does it? The two situations (22.2 and 22.8888/8) are not the same. The ramifications of the two are also not the same, especially regarding the @Darthknight situation. Steemit never had one of their funds stuck in a powerdown that they didn't want. Whether @darthknight is @blocktrades or not is irrelevant. Whether he is a liar or deceiver or not is also irrelevant. The bottom line is that this vengeance quest which you support is very unpopular, and I believe that in your heart, you also know it is wrong. You and others who helped bring it about are worthy of any criticism you receive.

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

oh, and stop assuming what I would feel and I would think. It seems that you simply don't know.

For example, if it were "vengeance" as you incorrectly imagine, I would have frozen other attackers/spammers instead.

Your own statements indicate that it was vengeance. Do you play soccer with your hands? Is it not against the rules? Do you believe in playing by the rules? If all it takes for you to go against your own standards is for someone else to do it first, that is an indication of vengeance as a motivator. Is it not?

it seems that you don't get it. If the other party starts using hands in a soccer game, it is not a soccer game anymore.

At this point, I am not sure whether you are trolling. But I will reply (benefit of doubt).

Darthknight situation is different in a way that he himself did change the route.

Did anyone ask him to do it? No.

And I still have no idea that how you, and some others, state as if you are a representative of darthknight, or as if you know what exactly he does or thinks. For example, how do you know whether it was intentional or not? It is already clear that he is a liar, so how do you know bittrix is not his account?

This liar did not say anything recently, so I do not know what his intention was or he wanted to do. That's it.

Whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant. He has stated that he wants to stop the transfer now. That's it.

Does he want to stop the transfer? Yes
Evidence: He expressed this desire in his post.
It doesn't matter if it is his account or not. He wants to stop the transfer. It doesn't matter if he is a liar or degenerate or not.

I already wrote a long article regarding this, and lots of others offered contacts to talk.

As far as I know, there was no response.

It is really funny that he becomes silent (probably b/c his lies got caught) but people like you become.very vocal as if you are the representative. I wonder where these people were when much more fund got locked without any notice (22.2).

고생 많으십니다.. 잠바라도 대접해야하는데..

kibumh님이 glory7님의 이 포스팅에 따봉(100 SCT)을 하였습니다.

함께 싸우지 못했네요
고생 많으십니다.
뭘 할지 알려주시면 힘닫는만큼 하겠습니다.
따뜻한 커피한잔 대접합니다.
항상 화이팅입니다.

헉 이런 빅따봉을.. 감사합니다.

늘 함께해주셔서 든든합니다.

묻지도 따지지도 않고 응원합니다.
항상 선봉에 서 주셔서 제가 감사합니다.

정말 고생이 많으셨습니다.

앞서서 고생 많으시단걸 느끼고 있습니다.
그럼에도 다른 분들을 챙기시는군요.
감사합니다.

아오 ㅠㅠㅠㅠ 수고가 많으세요.. 도와드리지 못해 죄송할 뿐 ㅠㅠㅠㅠ

너무 고생 하셨습니다. 주말에는 좀 쉬시지요. 안그럼 따님이 아빠 미워, 합니다. ㅠㅠ

감사합니다. 화이팅!

공감 입니다.
이번만은 강력한 대응이 필요하고 우리 증인들이 일처리를 확실하게 하려는 의지를 이렇게 피력해야 합니다. 스팀을 반석위에 세우기 위해서는 반드시 필요한 일입니다.

Telling you (even aggressively) that you're walking too close to cliff, isn't a murder threat, even if your life is in danger. If you're too dumb to understand this, it's not my fault.

We'll stop accusing you of making a death threat, so can you please let it go too? Handshake?

I'm just addressing this since hyperbole isn't getting anyone anywhere. Painting oneself as a victim while they actively steal someone's money isn't a great way forward, and as long as they keep repeating this lie, I'll keep commenting on it.

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

Well.. it certainly doesn't help that your avatar is a joker ha.

곰돌이가 @menerva님의 소중한 댓글에 $0.024을 보팅해서 $0.018을 살려드리고 가요. 곰돌이가 지금까지 총 7913번 $109.281을 보팅해서 $107.974을 구했습니다. @gomdory 곰도뤼~

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

So in your eyes, if someone starts a new project you are allowed to steal their tokens?

Fascinating.

Fork=deciding which chain you want to continue on. We are just now discussing what to do with this forfeited STEEM.

I'd suggest getting the best lawyers you can find.

Do you think chains are mutually exclusive? Did you forget about the promise all witnesses made when they implemented 22.5? The sanctity of property? #doublestandardsduh

It seems that you are too dumb to understand what you said would mean.

Let me just quote what steemchiller said.

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I don't actually believe that this alone could be a legal case, but if I were you, I would not say something like this again unless you really mean it.

Yeah, I should keep my mouth shut and not warn you idiots. Good call.

저도 좀 쉬고 있는데 다행히 저쪽도 좀 지친모양입니다. 저는 빨리 전쟁이 끝나고 재건에 힘을 썻으면 좋겠네요. 스팀이 좋은방향으로 가고 있지만 아직도 개혁할게 많이 남았기 때문이죠.

수고하셨습니다. 주말엔 좀 쉬시길!

요즘 수고 많으십니다. 빨리 소모전을 마치고 재건에 힘써야 할 텐데요...

Hi! Did you know that steemit.com is now censoring users and posts based on their opinions?
All the posts of these users are gone!
https://github.com/steemit/condenser/commit/3394af78127bdd8d037c2d49983b7b9491397296

Here's a list of some banned users:
'roelandp', 'blocktrades', 'anyx', 'ausbitbank', 'gtg', 'themarkymark', 'lukestokes.mhth', 'netuoso', 'innerhive'
See anyone you recognize? There could be more, they also have a remote IP ban list.

Will you be censored next?

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

앞장서서 고생하셨던 분들덕분에 STEEMIT이 잘 유지되고 있는거 같습니다.
늘 감사합니다.

앞장서서 싸워주시고 독려하시며 뜻을 같이하며 응원해 주신
모든 분들이 계셔서 스팀잇이 이만큼이라도 지켜지고 있다고 생각합니다.
함께 나서지는 못하지만 그분들의 공로와 어려움
마음 깊이 감사드립니다.
다만 좀더 적극적으로 행동하지 못하는 것이 아쉬울 뿐입니다.

이런 일이 있었는지도 몰랐네요!!