Protect &amp; Govern STEEM: Vote for Witnesses NOW!

fredrikaa (70) · 5 years ago

Great initiative! For me, it is crucial that we ensure that the users and stakeholders who have stayed with us through a harsh bear market (or two), gets what they were promised (the SMT hardfork and the key value propositions Steem have as an immutable, decentralized social platform where everyone can be a part and own a part.

Our witness (@steempress) will do everything to ensure that is what the community gets.

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7 votes

jacobpeacock (66) · 5 years ago (edited)

@therealwolf this question has been nagging at me for the last several days now and I would like to get your opinion on it.

Do you personally think that @yabapmatt has a real desire to preserve the Steem ecosystem as it is given his involvement with both Splinterlands (that has a Tron feature) and Steem-Engine which is backed by Poloniex?

I am asking because all of those things plus that he currently is the number one witness seem (from my limited perspective and incomplete understanding of the full scenario) to have an incredible amount to gain by a Token swap and/or merger with the Tron blockchain?

In other words would you vouch for him to do the right thing?

I have had zero interactions with him and do not know anyone else that has and by my nature I tend to be suspicious of folks. Please do not feel obligated to answer this but an answer would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: Privex is backed by Poloniex in my understanding. Sorry if I am misinformed there or if I should have just used Privex in my original post instead of Poloniex.

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5 votes

eco-alex (73) · 5 years ago (edited)

ive had a LOT of interactions with @yabapmatt.. both way back two years ago when he helped me with voting bot questions.. but more importantly and recently the past few months. He has been Amazingly supportive of the ecoVIllage project im working on, and in short, after many hours of talking and listening i can say that in my personal opinion, yabap is a legand! He has his heart in the right place, and is a man who cares, and gives a shit about doing the right thing... He is also pretty successful, but its his character that counts, and from what ive seen, his character is SOLID! Im Very happy to see him in #1 spot... we are in good hands!

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

So encouraging it is to read this remark about Yabapmatt.

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jacobpeacock (66) · 5 years ago

Thanks for your input on this @eco-alex.

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oldtimer (75) · 5 years ago

Very good question.

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eco-alex (73) · 5 years ago

i have given my opinion of yabapmatt in this thread.. thanks!

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jacobpeacock (66) · 5 years ago

I thought so as well. Glad that it passes your muster @oldtimer.

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Hmm, this one is a strong one. Though @Yabapmatt is not saying anything so far, but i think his involvement in Steem-engine means good for Steem.

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therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

@yabapmatt is one of the honest people I know on Steem. This doesn't mean that he's perfect nor that he will put Steem before Splinterlands, but he's a good person and he will do his best.

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jacobpeacock (66) · 5 years ago

Thanks for the answer @therealwolf.

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acidyo (80) · 5 years ago

100%.

There's way too many users who use witness voting the way they use curation, i.e. unvoting because they disagree with something a witness or someone involved in the witness does with curation (upvoting & downvoting) and often sit there with just 10 used witness votes or like to play politics and using their witness votes or proxies as a way to attempt to garner upvotes. These are all very childish things to do, we're talking about the security of our blockchain here so set aside those issues and vote for the witnesses you know have the best intentions for the blockchain in mind or proxy to someone you trust is up to date with who he votes for and uses all 30 votes.

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6 votes

tomlee (66) · 5 years ago

I think many do not really understand the concept and purpose behind witness voting. More enlightenment on this would be helpful.

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

The top 20 steem witnesses for Steem are at the fore of decision making for this blockchain.

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jaki01 (74) · 5 years ago (edited)

I'm bound to say that of course I unvote witnesses from time to time, and I think witnesses actually try harder to do their very best if they can't take votes for granted. :)
Like I prefer manual curating over auto upvotes I also prefer 'manual' witness voting instead of choosing my witnesses once and then just stick with them forever.

However, I agree that every Steemian should make use of his right (and 'duty') to vote for 30 witnesses.

That said (and that's why I comment here at all), I think one single account should only be able to vote for five to (at maximum) ten witnesses!
Otherwise a big stake holder like Justin Sun could be able to control the whole blockchain. And it doesn't really matter which percentage of STEEM power he owns now. A person who spends more than four million dollar for a lunch with Warren Buffett would be always able to buy as many STEEM as necessary ... :)

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oldtimer (75) · 5 years ago

Your last sentence is pure gold.

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gentleshaid (70) · 5 years ago

I've never really utilized more than 30% of my votes. Perhaps I will just set you @acidyo as my proxy since I believe more in your love for steem

simplegame (61) · 5 years ago

I would like to see number of witnesses and witnesses votes changed during a fork. Maybe go to top 30 witnesses instead of 20 and change your votes to only 12 witnesses. This would help decentralize things. I always thought top 20 with 30 votes per account was to centralized

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

Socks. Limits on the number of witnesses an account can vote for are bypassed by sock puppet accounts.

A better mechanism to decentralize governance through witness votes is 1 steem 1 vote. No matter how many accounts are casting votes for a user, they can only vote their VP once.

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pharesim (74) · 5 years ago

They would have to split their stake to vote with multiple accounts though, and every individual vote would be worth less. I think fewer votes is actually closer to 1 steem 1 vote, as the influence one can excert right now multiplies with every vote one gives.

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

Certainly managing the witness votes of multiple socks is easily done using proxies. All the socks could simply proxy to accounts that each vote seven witnesses, and all the VP the owner spread through all the accounts would be cast for 30 witnesses in total, if that's what they wanted to do. However that VP would be split and only approximately 1/4 would apply to each witness (28/7 = 4), so it would reduce considerably the stakeholders ability to vote his entire stake for 30 witneses.

1 Steem 1 vote does so 4 times more.

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pharesim (74) · 5 years ago

Yes. Forget what I said, I didn't think properly.

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stuffbyspencer (61) · 5 years ago

Yeah, I agree. Maybe the math is wrong, but from the back of a napkin this sounds like a solid plan. It'd require more participation in order to approve things.

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simplegame (61) · 5 years ago

Yeah not sure the exact math. We can debate that. But needs to be changed. However the current witnesses most likely will never incorporate that type of change, so we would have to do it on a hard fork that separates from the current block chain.#steemclassic

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culgin (71) · 5 years ago

Alternative Steem interfaces become more relevant after the Tron acquisition/partnership/collaboration or whatever they call it.

My personal favorite is @steempeak

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good-karma (76) · 5 years ago (edited)

Absolutely necessary now that community stays active and uses their stake wisely for the good of Steem.

Vote for witnesses
OR
Set active members as proxy

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kus-knee (74) · 5 years ago (edited)

I have my proxy set to @blockbrothers!

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kingscrown (81) · 5 years ago

thats what im doing since 4 years!

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steemitportugal (56) · 5 years ago

The Portuguese community @steemitportugal in Steemit has a witness and we would be grateful if anyone can vote for us.
Link: https://beta.steemconnect.com/sign/account_witness_vote?approve=1&witness=steemitportugal

Hug from Portugal!

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bil.prag (68) · 5 years ago

would be great if some of those witnesses tell us for example "that they talked to steemit employees, that they tried to contact some people at trone..." so we could try and resolve this SHIT SHOW!

coininstant (66) · 5 years ago (edited)

Yeah why don't they talk to then, make a video for proof, and get the facts straight before continuing to freak everybody out!! The post says he's all worried about tweets, anyone can tweet anything!! lol I may have to unvote this witness if he doesn't work on facts!!

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bil.prag (68) · 5 years ago

we did get an steemit employe interviu, from the talk it looked like all is fine "for now" :D

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flemingfarm (68) · 5 years ago

Voting our witnesses is a mandatory thing that needs to happen universally in Steem. We DO need to know that all the witnesses are on the same page and are all ready to fight the fight though. I really want to have a list of our "dedicated" witnesses. The top 100 list is just a list of names and the amount of work to investigate every one is onerous. These are important times for the chain and we need to have an "all hands on deck" call to arms, beyond the "AMA".

valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

It is a lot of work to investigate witnesses. BTW, I am pretty happy the witnesses aren't all on the same page. It's why voting for those you feel best represent you matters. Vive la difference!

That onerous burden of witness voting is why I set my proxy to @krnel. I did that some time ago, and chose him because none of the witnesses he votes for were running bidbots, unlike @therealwolf and @themarkymark. I have always vehemently opposed botting, and made sure my witness votes didn't go to profiteers.

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flemingfarm (68) · 5 years ago

I only mean same page in dedication to Steem and not over on EOS or other chains. I've been here for more than long enough to see the change in a lot of witnesses and their seeming motives. The proxy can be a good option for people but they also have to do due diligence on the proxy which might not be that easy for some.

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creativetruth (67) · 5 years ago

Question: By setting a proxy, do I get to keep my currently voted witnesses, or are they all reset into whatever my proxy chooses?

I suppose another good choice is to look at the witnesses chosen by someone I might trust as a proxy, and distribute my votes to match more of their choices, and keep other witness votes I specifically want too keep.

valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

They are all reset.

This has become a problem for me, because I want to vote for @r0nd0n who has just become a witness, and whose character I believe to be unmatched, but my current proxy has just had a baby, and isn't paying much attention to Steem atm.

If I vote for @r0nd0n, I'll have to set 29 other witness votes because voting for one witness ends the proxy completely.

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therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

They're being reset. The 2nd option is also good. It simply depends on your behaviour, if you prefer to be in control or if you want to put your trust on another Steemian.

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doze (64) · 5 years ago

Resteemed and retwitted!

steevc (73) · 5 years ago

I have been using all my witness votes for ages. I just have to check now and then that none have gone inactive. I hope they will stick with us through these 'interesting times'

jacobpeacock (66) · 5 years ago

Thank You @therealwolf!

tomlee (66) · 5 years ago

Wonderful view indeed. I'm heading straight a way to complete my 30 votes.

I hope every other steemian follows suit.

fernandosoder (55) · 5 years ago

Well... I happen to be a witness and I use Steempeak as my primary Social Network. If you could give me a vote.

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Please do, it's the right thing to do at the moment.

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tomlee (66) · 5 years ago

Done.

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Yeah, let's see how it turns out. I know in all, steem would win.

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revisesociology (73) · 5 years ago (edited)

I've used all mine, I've voted a fair few T20s, if required I'll pull my vote from those lower down and pile in more T20s.

Having said that I've only got 29k SP (although that puts me well into the top 1000), it's probably mostly just a matter of the top 100 non-steemit accounts coordinating to get to 100M SP, maybe less?

Very important issue this, thanks for the post.

vikisecrets (68) · 5 years ago

Voted you as a witness right now to protect the Steem blockchain :)

dalz (68) · 5 years ago

Just drained my witness voting power!

jacobtothe (70) · 5 years ago

I haven't used all of my witness votes, but I did start updating a couple days ago.

neopch (71) · 5 years ago

Let's protect our Blockchain together! Ive setup proxy for @yabapmatt :)

cloudspyder (59) · 5 years ago

Since you know more than I know about the Steem blockchain, I just set you @therealwolf as proxy.

chesatochi (72) · 5 years ago

I cast all my votes in the top 30! It is better to prepare for the worst in case of a chain split.

therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

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toofasteddie (70) · 5 years ago

It would be great to create a proxy account as a kind of “union” of blockchain defense, that union would vote for witnesses that defense the Steem Blockchain avoiding attacks of a major stakeholder.

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therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

Keep in mind, that having a single source of proxy is also a danger to decentralisation. I think it's good that there are many different proxies. But interesting idea nevertheless!

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stevelivingston (64) · 5 years ago

Well said. You've got my proxy vote

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gabbynhice (66) · 5 years ago

Done. I mean just checked and i had 12 votes left but now all of them i used. Hope all of us will do the same.

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julianhorack (69) · 5 years ago

Interesting developments, I don't have enough experience or info overall to determine the best way to save the potential abuse of the steemit blockchain in this takeover by TRONsun, but it looks bad when one company has to sell out to another. Steemit is gone, now it's all TRON, to the outside observer, regardless of what it looks like under the hood to the devs.

Nevertheless, if voting for witnesses will help then let's focus on that guys.

detlev (73) · 5 years ago

Dear @therealwolf

To the point. I like the way you made all this a bit more clear.

#FullSuuport4Steem and a !BEER from me

oppongk (75) · 5 years ago

Well said @therealwolf, the community can't be used for gambling because of the choice one business entity. The community of steem is our priority toiled by millions of steemians blood to let is stand till now, then we should act fact to claim its survival before it suffers nitches...D: Thanks for alerting us what is in the space coming....would be ready vote for my witness @therealwolf or any other of witness of my choice.

uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Its well good that thw community is alert on this. Let's keep spreading the message to others.

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gadrian (66) · 5 years ago

Some info pulled from the blockchain/SteemSQL for steemians to know who are the inactive accounts with a relatively significant amount of stake behind or number of accounts that set them as proxies. That would be useful. Some people may have entrusted the wrong accounts with their voting rights.

papilloncharity (71) · 5 years ago

@therealwolf Well, I vote for witnesses that support our charity and it seems that I will have to change it now in order to fill up our witness vote count.
Will think about it!

manoldonchev (69) · 5 years ago

Thanks for the reminder. I did cast 7-8 more votes. There were people I thought I was already voting for but obviously not until now. I had not reviewed my previous votes for quite a while and the truth is I don't know enough. Some of my choices seem Disabled. Is that temporary? I will try and learn more before continuing with my last votes. Good luck!

zaibkang (59) · 5 years ago

Yes there should be mutual beneficial partnership between TRON & STEEM.
We may support to make TRX holders richer and get more rewards if they can do same thing for us

I already voted for 30 witnesses 1 year ago and updated my list as I need to update

chireerocks (72) · 5 years ago

@therealwolf, Thank you for sharing your Concern and definitely this is the actual time when whole Community should come forward to rise again as always. Stay blessed.

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gduran (69) · 5 years ago (edited)

Didn't @pumpkin or @freedom always control who was a top 20 witness? Sun can just do the same thing if he wants to. You also have to take into account that you are not going to be able to convince everyone to vote for your idea which, by the way, is a good idea in theory, but it is a fact there are over one million members who are no longer even active I would think some of them do have some of that 90m SP you talk about. I think really that this is out of our hands.
Also humans tend to follow the big guy in this case the huge guy, so I think many will just go along with him.

therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

@pumpkin has a big influence but he is by far not controlling TOP 20. We're talking 70M stake (Steemit Inc) vs 10M stake (freedom). Some witnesses (i.e. @aggroed) are in the TOP20 without any huge stakeholders, such as the above or someone like @blocktrades.

You also have to take into account that you are not going to be able to convince everyone to vote for your idea which, by the way, is a good idea in theory, but it is a fact there are over one million members who are no longer even active I would think some of them do have some of that 90m SP you talk about. I think really that this is out of our hands.
Also humans tend to follow the big guy in this case the huge guy, so I think many will just go along with him.

Good points. We'll see how far we can get this thing going, but so far we've gained roughly 2% in votes. In the end, this is more a public education initiative than anything.

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theguruasia (67) · 5 years ago

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abitcoinskeptic (73) · 5 years ago

I am always sure to vote 30witnesses. Actually updated one the other day (helpie dropped out ).
One thing I do when I give someone an account ticket is set me as their witness/proposal proxy and of course recovery (this is automatic).
I think some of the bigger accounts giving away lots should consider this.
If you feel it is controlversial, warn them first amd let them know they can change it using steemworld or something.

That said I think we can easily get 70million sp just looking at the whales and orcas not voting. A few of the big guys are operated by ???? And may not be allowed to do anything, but chasing minnows and plankton will be difficult to reach the target.

issymarie (65) · 5 years ago

Hi @therealwolf And what is your opinion about the future, as you say may be good but the uncertainties are latent, on the other hand voting the witnesses as you also expose it in your point of view we should join all users and do it to protect the platform .

Greetings from Chile.

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cryptopie (81) · 5 years ago

I think steem blockchain is in danger based on what Justin Sun is signaling. Maybe forking steemitinc stake is the solution?

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

I really have a problem with forking out stake purchased by an investor. Every other investor in the world will see that. Every other stake on Steem will be just as easily forked away. It will ruin Steem to do that.

I believe a better solution to the problem is to deplete our witness vote VP 100%. Tron has 75M Steem. The way witness votes work now is that Tron can vote 30 times with 75M votes each time.

If that VP depleted 100%, then if Tron voted 75M for one witness, they'd be out of VP and couldn't vote for another witness. If they voted one witness 20M votes, they'd have 55M votes left. This decentralizes governance by allowing each Steem in existence to be voted once for witness.

Tron would no longer be able to simply overwhelm the rest of us with it's centralized stake. At best, they could force in 1/3 of the consensus witnesses, which is not enough for a hostile takeover. It would require 17 of the top 20 to force a HF, and Tron could not do that alone.

Thanks!

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hobo.media (64) · 5 years ago

If Steem has to fork, the Steem Classic blockchain would not be the same blockchain as the one Justin invested in. People do not automatically have rights to coins in a fork, devs can edit their fork and people not getting a cut of that network can simply stick with the one they do have a stake in.

Forks are not censorship, they are competition and they empower free will.

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

I submit you are correct. I apologize for my misunderstanding.

Thanks for preventing my continuing in error.

Edit: I feel it is necessary to point out that such a fork would be a new blockchain and new token, which would not bear the exchange value of that on this original blockchain, and neither would be listed on the exchanges until we get them to list it. Justin Sun would continue to possess his extant Steem on the original blockchain, and could proceed at will without those that forked off into the new blockchain.

The original tokens would remain the property of the possessors on the original chain, subject to what governance Tron sees fit to exercise. Some folks unfamiliar with cryptocurrencies may not understand this.

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hobo.media (64) · 5 years ago

You are right, Justin is going to win in terms of exchange tickers. In fact, a Steem Classic might be economically screwed with near zero liquidity and be available only on shitty exchanges.

But at the same time a fork might be necessary for the future of SE token projects. We might be able to adapt and we might not. The SCOT projects, many contest systems and my own contest system is held in the balance in this situation. I have no idea if the SE tokens will even be able to exist to provide the utility that people got them for.

SE-based operations are very much at risk of needing complete overhauls if we lose this blockchain in place for some dapp on Tron. A Steem Classic, profitable or not, might be the only way for SE-based community projects to stay functional.

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lauch3d (62) · 5 years ago

Unfortunately the safety and liveness treshold for classical synchronous consensus is 1/3. You need 2n + 1 good nodes/stake/hashpower in order to tolerate n faulty nodes. When there is 33% malicious stake than the byzantine fault tolerance property is lost.

The Last irreversible block (LIB) as Larimer calls it is the block which has 2/3 majority consensus behind it. As long as 2/3 are behind the LIB there will be no node joining a fork which is not build on this LIB. But hey why should Sun care about this

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

I am not technically competent enough in the field to have been aware of that prior to your comment. I deeply appreciate learning this new information to me.

In order to clarify my understanding, 1/3 stake is capable of preventing a Hf even if 2/3 of the top 20 agree on it? AFAIK it takes 17 of the top 20 witnesses to agree on a HF, so it seems if 100% of the vested stake on Steem were voting on witnesses, 1/3 of it being hostile to a HF would prevent consensus. Correct?

Thanks!

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lauch3d (62) · 5 years ago (edited)

yes you was right but it is 17 nodes to prevent a fork not 17 nodes to initiate a fork. 17 is what comes next to 2n + 1 which is basically >75%. 16 (or more correct 15,75) nodes is 75% and since there is no 1% of a node it needs 17 nodes for honest majority.

So over 1/3 is capable of initiate a majority fork. As long as it is up to 1/3 it is only a minority-fork which will die quickly.

Up to 1⁄3 of the nodes can be malicious or malfunction and create a minority fork. In this case the minority fork will only produce one block every 9 seconds while the majority fork will produce 2 blocks every 9 seconds. Once again, the honest 2⁄3 majority will always be longer than the minority.
Larimer 2017 dPOS the missing Whitepaper

The confusing part is that forking in dPOS is not the same as in Bitcoin. If we want to be free we could easily set up a new independent system, but as you have mentioned, this is not how things are intended. The best way realy is to re-elect. dPOS can be compromised by a 1/3 + 1 "Majority" but it will still run in a pending state, so that we only need to concentrate our stake to the running/remaining honest nodes.

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

"...we only need to concentrate our stake to the running/remaining honest nodes."

Imma keep my eyes peeled @lauch3d! Thanks for the primer. I'd probably never have understood how this worked without your help.

Thanks!

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oldtimer (75) · 5 years ago

Don't you think that it's already to late to implement this change?

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

No, I actually think Justin Sun won't oppose it. He's said he is not going to vote witnesses with his stake. He should, if he understands how witness votes work, support this strengthening of decentralization of governance on Steem. He has said he supports decentralization.

I think it's definitely long past due, but I don't think it's too late.

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hobo.media (64) · 5 years ago

He did not make a firm promise to never use his votes, it was a soft, clearly temporary statement.

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

Yes. However, this change does not prevent him having enormous influence over governance, it only prevents him from having the ability to install 30 witnesses at will. I don't believe he will oppose the measure when compared with the threat some are making to fork the blockchain.

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Does it take 100% VP to cast a single witness vote?

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

I believe even if your stake is delegated to another it still counts as yours when you vote for witnesses. Ordinary VP depletion definitely does not affect witness votes from what I have understood.

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Good to know that.

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smooth (70) · 5 years ago (edited)

That's right.

Ordinary delegation DOES NOT apply to witness or SPS votes.

Proxy DOES apply to witness and SPS votes.

Vote power also has no influence on witness and SPS votes.

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

Thanks for the confirmation. We can be confident we've got it right when you agree.

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chesatochi (72) · 5 years ago

Something will happen I believe.

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therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

Steemit Inc's stake is part of STEEM. Forking it out would only work if it comes with another branding. At least that's my take on it.

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cyberblock (65) · 5 years ago

I vote for Justin Sun, he is my god :)

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therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

lol ok

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cyberblock (65) · 5 years ago

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metzli (64) · 5 years ago

Is there an alternative to change witness other than the steemitwallet? I have been trying for days and can't seem to get anything to change.

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@metzli https://steempeak.com/me/witnesses

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metzli (64) · 5 years ago

thank you. All my witness votes are updated and I have ZERO remaining.

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jacobpeacock (66) · 5 years ago

You are welcome @metzli! Also YAY for voting!

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epic-fail (59) · 5 years ago

so much STEEM is lost forever in accounts of people that left STEEM or lost their keys. How much Steem does the rest of the community REALLY have available though? Look at all of the accounts that @superheroes and @steemengineteam have access to. I fear there is a lot less active STEEM available then is being estimated.

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ocupation (68) · 5 years ago

I'm in this, we should hard fork them out in case they decide to make something we dont agree with. On the other hand, Justin bought steemit in order to increase his income, and if he decides to go against us, his investment will fade away...

Need more clarifications on this one before start acting. Preventing those things from happening is a way to go.

therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

Steemit Inc's stake is part of STEEM and forking them out, while keeping the brand, STEEM, is not legal and unethical IMO. If that stake is forked out, it has and should be under a new brand.

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ocupation (68) · 5 years ago (edited)

I was reffering to a situation in which they wanna make a hostile takover, without cunsulting to the stake holders first

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freddio (61) · 5 years ago

He should make a clear press release ( or post) to steem what the plan from him is.

What he does is make him look like Evilned ( before useless ned).

Have someone contact to him? for a Interview ( or to ask question from him).

But to be real, if he attacks Steem, he loss 100% of his Investment. I think the community will stay on real steem. If he wants the tech for tron, he can use a fork i think for free?

So he should tell us a plan he has. Otherwise it will become from day to day worse for him.

uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Ned has always hd a communication problem.

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freddio (61) · 5 years ago

thats why i call him useless ned

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Ned may not be useless afterall. Thinking out a project as awesome as steem is not from a dollard. he only has a communication weakness.

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Good idea here @therealwolf. However, I think it's time to support good contents with big upvotes yo increase the potency of votes to witness. Consider of 45 million worth of vests held by top whales can be used to mine at least 10 million steem in the next 7 days.. that would be huge and it would further boost community votes on top witnesses.

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therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

Consider of 45 million worth of vests held by top whales can be used to mine at least 10 million steem in the next 7 days

Inflation for content distribution is roughly 4% APR. How do you get to 10M in 7 days?

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

By my thoughts, 4% of 45 million is 1.8 million and that represents all votes cast at 100%. if that is done for five times in a single day by SP pool of 45 million, then 10 million steem can be mined in seven days time.

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kendrahill (41) · 5 years ago (edited)

therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

Pretty sure, people on here do more due-dilligence than in our legacy voting-system around the world.

Obviously, the system can and should be improved. For example, I'd like to see changes to the governance system, where big stakeholders can't maliciously take control of the system, as well as more incentives for Witnesses outside of TOP20. And maybe even an increase based on the total approval.

I.e: Someone in TOP 20 with 25% approval would get more than someone in TOP 20 with 20% approval.

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kendrahill (41) · 5 years ago (edited)

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kimmysomelove42 (58) · 5 years ago

Thanks for this post, as I have little knowledge on who to vote for, I am going over to try to set you as my proxy.... and you have a new follower ;)

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freebornangel (73) · 5 years ago (edited)

That would all sound better if you didn't mute dissenters, hadn't built a better way to hide bid botting when you got here, and profited from scheming for two years despite being informed of the error of your ways.

The stake you acquired by ninjamining the pool is ill gotten, imo.

Sell your stake, take your ideas, and move to tron, eh?

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dr-frankenstein (67) · 5 years ago

It's rare to see people who are able to see through the BS, the truth of what's underneath. Even after what's happened, people are still promoting ass-kissing culture instead of accountability and duty.

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freebornangel (73) · 5 years ago

Yeah, brown nosers gonna get their noses dirty.

My beef is that i called bs on him when he got here, but nobody wanted to hear it.
We knew bid bots were bad, and this loser devised a way to obfuscate who was doing it!

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

Pandering to stake seems to come pretty naturally to some people. I can't relate. I don't need money more than I need my self respect personally.

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alexs1320 (71) · 5 years ago

Why would people want to preserve the current system?

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therealwolf (75) · 5 years ago

Why would people want to preserve the current system?

Not system - blockchain.

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oldtimer (75) · 5 years ago

How many people will set Sun as a proxy?

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valued-customer (67) · 5 years ago

My understanding of how witness votes work is that 100% of our VP is cast for each of the 30 witness votes we are availed. Witness vote VP does not deplete like normal VP.

Recently @edicted posted regarding how that enables Tron to vote 30 times with 75M Steem for 30 witnesses of it's choice, and how to make that not possible by causing 100% depletion of witness votes. Per his proposal, if Tron cast 20M votes for one witness, it would have 55M votes left. That eliminates it's ability to simply vote in 30 witnesses of it's choosing at it's sole option.

I also posted regarding the exact same idea that day, as I had read a comment from @bryan-imhoff explaining the idea. Apparently it's not a new idea, except to me.

I strongly recommend Steem protect it's witnesses via this mechanism, which decentralizes control of the witnesses to the degree it can be done on a DPoS platform.

Also, Vote for Witnesses!

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

Yeah it's good, infact whales could Incentivise communities to ensure every casts a vote on one of the top 20 witnesses.

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beerlover (62) · 5 years ago

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steepup (66) · 5 years ago (edited)

Hi, i just realise about the latest development on the steem block chain. I see no reason why steem token should be worthless or become TRX STEEM. I have been here for some time, and am looking forward for the best of the blockchain. The blockchain should be rescue imo. Voting for credible witness will go a long way.

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sumit1998 (66) · 5 years ago

I understand this is important for us to stay safe.
I voted you as my witness and several others to

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arcange (73) · 5 years ago (edited)

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simplegame (61) · 5 years ago

Is there a way to write a script to send a comment to everyone that has not voted ?

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lordbutterfly (70) · 5 years ago

Can you send a large text memo to all users above 500 SP with inactive witness votes and spam it for the next few days?

I know its not nice or pretty but now is not the time for aesthetics.

If someone more known like Blocktrades could do it even better.

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uyobong (71) · 5 years ago

That would be another great idea. I jave a friend who's good at that @crypto.piotr. i wish he takes a stand for Steem as well.

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blazing (70) · 5 years ago

#SaveSteemit

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united.indonesia (50) · 5 years ago

Wow...thats great idea. Everyone must to follow @yabapmatt for a weakness..

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bravedevelopment (53) · 5 years ago

Awesome initiative 👏👏. And indeed it is very necessary. All the witnesses should get the proper support by us as a community.
Voted you as witness also
Thank you sharing this.

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namiks (64) · 5 years ago

What would be cool is a few posts featuring lists on which witnesses hold certain opinions on these recent events so we could vote accordingly.

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nascimentoab (60) · 5 years ago

[We are not just here to make TRX holders richer!]
Poor Binance!

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