Proposal
In my recent post Condenser Redesign, I was able to update the code to change how posts are displayed to give steemit a more modern feel.
Aside from the complaints about steemit's existing bugs, feedback was positive and as @o1eh said:
I think the design change of steemit.com is very important. It demonstrates that the project is not only alive, but also actively developing. Currently, the prevailing opinion on the Internet is that Steem is dead, we can say that at one time there was a real propaganda campaign on this topic. A radical design change will largely disprove this thesis.
With this in mind, here is my proposal to work on Condenser with a view to modernising the steemit.com front-end.
Approach
From my experience working in a Digital Agency, I can say with a lot of confidence that "everybody's a designer". Which is another way of saying that when it comes to design, no matter the level of experience, everybody has an opinion.
This would make it extremely difficult for the opinion of one person (e.g. me) to be universally popular.
Therefore, I propose to split the project into 5 stages with stages 2, 3, 4 and 5 being iterative (i.e. design a component, build a component, test a component, deploy a component - stage 2 can begin again before stage 5 is complete).
Stage 1: Discovery
As many of you know, Condenser (and reactJS in general) works on the idea of components. You create a component which can be used in multiple places in your site. In Condenser's case, we have Cards, Elements and Modules.
Stage 1 would involve documenting the structure of steemit.com - identifying what source code is used in each page and the associated CSS files. Steemit.com's "all.scss" file imports approximately 70 other .scss files which needs understanding.
Stage 2: Design
Changing a page design needs agreement from stakeholders. On steemit.com, these stakeholders are many. For each page / component redesign, I'd like the community feedback which could even be initiated via contests to allow our design community to have their say... prizes would come from the steem.DAO payments I receive (which would be the equivalent to me employing a designer via Upwork or similar).
Once designs have been made available, the community could then discuss and vote on their preference.
This process could be improved but my key message here is that "I'm not going to unilaterally design a new front-end without agreement from more stakeholders."
Stage 3: Development
This is me, bringing the design to life in code.
Stage 4: Testing
Cross-browser, cross-platform testing.
Stage 5: Deployment
Submission of code to GitHub, accompanied by a post outlining the changes implemented... ready for the powers that be to deploy to live.
Proposal Duration
It's always difficult to estimate how long a project of this nature will take. As mentioned above, a short "discovery" period would help to clarify the dependencies within the source code (Stage 1). As a full project, I would estimate a total cost of £25k - £30k ($32k - $38k) - which is factored into the Finances below.
I have therefore submitted a proposal to the DAO, covering 400 days (working on the assumption that it'll take time for the proposal to reach the top) with approximately 1 year of effort (at 2 days per week as indicated in the next section).
Bearing in mind the progress that I made with my initial experimenting, I think that a lot can be achieved in a time period less than a year (at 2 days per week)... at which point, the community can remove its support of the proposal or focus can move to other improvements (e.g. creating a new landing page built up from existing components - a type of "Dashboard"). It's also unknown at what point the proposal would be "approved" (if at all).
The Finances
My current situation would allow me to dedicate between 2 to 5 days per week on this project - assuming the minimum of 2 days per week, and DAO funding request would have to be adjusted to a daily proportion - i.e. 2/7 of my daily expectation.
Given the unpredictability of the price of SBD, I have worked on an average price of $3 (reflecting its recent increase and the consistent value nearer to $2.5).
Therefore, my request per day would equate to approximately £500 per week (£250 per day) and since we like round numbers, I have requested 30 SBD per day.
Addendum (4th February 2024)
https://steemit.com/hive-151113/@the-gorilla/dao-proposal-addendum
🙏 Please Support this Proposal
You can view and vote for proposals by following this link...
👉 https://steemitwallet.com/proposals 👈
I'll expand this proposal to include any answers to questions from within the comments so please don't hesitate to comment and feed back.
We supported you too. :)
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Thank you @upvu 👍
Time for the hard work to begin - I won't let you down 💪
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I'm pleased to see this news. The steemit front-end has tremendous errors. Please, improve it as soon as possible first 😭 @the-gorilla
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Thank you for your support - I'll do my best 🙂
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great new glad to hear
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Ohk
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Good
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Great.
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#aagr
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Thanks man
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Here you go.
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I'm excited to see Steem's front-end getting a modern makeover. It's been a long time coming, but it's great to see the community coming together to make it happen.
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شخص ما يفرح لي الموقع
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We supported you
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I have delegated 50k sp. But got vote of only 0.9. Plz solve the problem
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Hi @rupok,
Thank you for using the Upvu service.
@upvu will upvote from tomorrow. Please note that in addition to the @upvu account, upvotes are also being made from the @uco.intern, @uco.btc-d, and @uco.bnb-d accounts.
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So today's vote is missed?
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Hi there. I don’t think the Blurt @upvu votes are going through. Could you check ?
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Two observations from my impressions about the proposals of previous years. Basically, there's a political aspect to the system (assuming that the top-tier stakeholders are willing to consider SPS proposals at all, which is still an open question from my vantage point).
In general, community advocacy was helpful for getting proposals voted above the return proposal. Sometimes, (usually?) it was not enough to just post the proposal and watch it get voted up. Some cheerleading/persuasion was often involved. It seems to me that people commonly posted proposals with start dates that were weeks away, and used the intervening time to rally support for their idea.
Once a proposal goes above the return proposal, something to be prepared for is that it might float above and below it a few times at during the lifetime of the project. No idea if that would still happen in today's Steem ecosystem, but it's a possibility. If a large stakeholder votes for your proposal and also the return proposal, that leaves room for smaller voters to tip the scales.
If any of your audience supports this idea, now might be a good time for a bunch of posts about "Here's why I support this proposal." 😄 Not sure if I'll have time before your start date, but I might try to write one this weekend.
Good luck. Your proposal definitely has my vote!
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The DAO proposal thing is not straightforward and it has always been very, very difficult to get one through. Nevertheless - whether promising or not, everyone, i.e. lots and lots of users, should vote. It may not help if the major stakeholders are not involved, but it sends out a signal. A sign from the community that it is interested in change.
Haha, I don't have much time at the moment either. But maybe it's enough for a short appeal with Gorilla's "aggressive" advertising slogan... ;-)
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Ha ha! The slogan's a winner. VOTE NOW!
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Things are probably very different now and I suspect there are large chunks of the community that aren't aware of the proposals system at all! I agree with all that you say and I like your "Here's why I support this proposal." idea.
I could be wrong, but the general community seems to be more "Do now then forget", rather than a slow burn. My expectation is that this is either approved within a month, or forgotten instantly - with a handful of users having the power to decide (or not) its fate.
I'm more hopeful than optimistic 🙂
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Thanks for this reply
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Argh, wanted to be the first when realizing that the voting period will start on Feb. 1st… 😉
I won’t forget about the vote and think it’s a very good and important decision to have written this proposal.
Good luck!!!
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Thanks - I didn't know what the "start date" would do so luckily I only put it a couple of days away 😉 Is 2 days enough time to tell the world?
JOIN STEEMIT'S PROPOSAL LAUNCH EVENT AT MIDNIGHT 1ST FEBRUARY!!! DON'T MISS OUT!!! JOIN NOW!!!!
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Gonna do my very best...
Getting an idea until tomorrow I of course have to make sure that I am allowed to use the quote... 😉
JOIN STEEMIT'S PROPOSAL LAUNCH EVENT AT MIDNIGHT 1ST FEBRUARY!!! DON'T MISS OUT!!! JOIN NOW!!!!
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For heavens sake. Don't forget the proposal votes URL.
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Was glaubst du denn so von mir?!
Habe die URL sogar schon in ein Bild verpackt... 😉
Tja, jetzt muss ich mich nur noch kurz fassen - das ist die schwerste Aufgabe!
Naja, sie sollen ja nur voten, müssen "DAO" ja nicht verstehen... 🤔
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Shh, I'm working...
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Of course, you are allowed... it definitely works best in large text 😆
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All right, I'll forgive you and you'll be surprised how much I can get to the heart of important things in a nutshell. Then, when I want to!
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Die könnt ihr gerne bei mir abhalten, natürlich würde ich euch auch paar nicht sagende Kommentare zur Verfügung stellen, 😳 😜
VgA🙂
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Hihi, dir altem Hasen muss man den Unterschied zwischen all den Votes ja zum Glück nicht erklären... 😉
Und danke für diesen zur Verfügung gestellten Kommentar. Ich werde ihn sogleich - natürlich nur zu Testzwecken - nutzen... 😜
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IIRC, you can vote for the proposal before the start date, but it just doesn't show any numbers until the start date arrives. The start date is for payouts, not for voting (I think). I already voted for it, so we'll see what happens on Feb. 1. I'll vote again if necessary.
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That may be. I have also voted, but have not received any confirmation. Anyway, Thursday is not far off... ;-)
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@the-gorilla I edited my latest post. But, it didn't reflect the edition on the steemit site. Please, check the issue. Or, it takes a lot of time. What's going on?
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Hi @happycapital, nice to hear from you. How are you?
Unfortunately, bugs like this are most easily fixed by the person who introduced them - and I'm afraid that I don't know who that is. I've been told that it has something to do with caching (to reduce the load on the API server) but that's currently the extent of my knowledge on this.
I've also noticed this issue happening a lot recently - posts, comments and votes taking a long time to appear, sometimes not even appearing at all. It's very frustrating and I hope that it's in the process of being fixed. I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful than this 😟 (I'm currently using steemworld.org to see if I've received any comments!)
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Thank you for your detailed answer. By the way, today, I asked some people to vote for your proposal. I hope that we will see the proposal passed.
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That's great, thank you. We're very close to having the votes that we need and I'm looking forward to getting started 🙂
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How many votes are needed?
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We need just under 3.5m to reach the top .
On steemworld, if you click on the number of votes next to the proposal, you can see who has voted and how much their vote contributes.
3.5m votes haven’t been included due to witness voting being assigned to upvu.proxy but I can’t complain because other votes have been included due to other proxies..
https://steemworld.org/sps-proposals
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Oh, how wonderful! I will definitely support the proposal. But how to convince the more influential members of the community to support the proposal? We finally have a chance to show that we are a community and that we strive for change for the better.
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Let's do what we can... I'll tap up some contacts to get the word spread and get the wider community on board. Steemit's so fragmented now but we can try!
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This is key. Persuasion/advocacy by the community may be an important factor.
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Already in 2nd place, the direction is right :-)
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Vielen dank 🙂
It has a long way to go but hopefully we can quickly win hearts and minds 👍
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You know I like good things with good vision and this is a yes from me.
I am keen to see the finishing touch, let's go for it!
#supportproposal
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Your design has been used in DAPP https://boylikegirl.club/Community haha
I will give you a vote. I think we should release the DAPP display interface first
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Thanks for the support 👍
I like what you've done - is that built upon the condenser codebase or did you start afresh?
My interface is similar which didn't use condenser as a start point so allowed me to be a bit more creative with the layout.
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Hi @boylikegirl.wit,
The proposal's been given incredible support by the community and we're very close to achieving the votes that we need to get started. I just wanted to check that you're still happy to support the proposal?
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I missed the Condenser Redesign post, read it just now. Love all your ideas. I'd love to see a clean design like the original but more practical.
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Let's make it happen 💪
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Personally I'm skeptical of the "modern look" design (I think most of the time the content in any given feed won't support a "magazine style" layout), and it's not clear to me that a revamped frontend will actually be super beneficial (Hive has some alternative frontends and they're not exactly setting the world on fire with success relative to Steem), but a lot of people keep clamoring for something like this so at the very least it is worth someone doing an experiment.
Structurally I think with the way DAO voting works you'll have a hard time getting this approved (with the current distribution of Steem it seems like big stakeholders need to pick winners and losers, unless they decide to engage in some workarounds for the DAO voting design flaws).
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Your ideas around the DAO are interesting... it does seem strange that DAO votes are linked to Witness votes, rather than following the traditional voting mechanism. As you suggest, if a big account liked numerous proposals but wanted to display a preference towards one, they wouldn't be able to.
From my point of view, it's a relatively cheap and low risk project which sends a positive message to the "world".
If, as a community, we show our combined strength and get this above the return proposal (without Steemit's support), the "message" would be more meaningful than what's being changed.
I will bear context in mind when planning changes. What works for a community feed probably wouldn't in another context.
Thank you for supporting the proposal, I appreciate it 👍
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Congratulations 🎊
Your proposal has been activated
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We did it! Thank you for the support 👍
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Steem §1
You can do whatever you like to do with the Steem, as long the blockchain supports your doings.
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I'd prefer it if people like it though 😆
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I can't imagine that there are people who don't want a modern front end. Except perhaps for a group of investors for whom mass adaption of the Steem seems entirely undesirable. Maybe they would rather have fewer people in the daily coin pool. But that is higher Steem arithmetic. I don't know much about. But I know they are resting since seven years. Not interested in doing Steemit's work.
We should start an own campaign too, try to collect coins from all the Steemit pained small investors. It should be a project of the people and not one of the investors.
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I 100% agree with this. I think that the power of the people is underestimated. I think that if we want to achieve this, all of us small fish will need to "unvote" the return proposal and upvote other proposals (mine 🙂)... which could prove controversial but might be the only way!
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The nice thing is that we have time. Time to wait to see whether investors jump on the bandwagon and vote for your DIP. But also time to prepare a campaign in the Steem communities. It would be ideal if the potential audience could see something promising by then. For example, an option on your frontend to register for the frontend campaign. With different amounts. Then you can make a forecast.
Time is by the Steemians now.
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The campaign has begun 😉
I think that with this proposal, if it doesn't get the momentum and votes fairly quickly, it will also be forgotten fairly quickly...
Forgive me, I don't understand what you're suggesting...?
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Forget it. The suggesting wasn't very important.
I don't see any momentum because there are large communities that have never heard of a new front end. Asia, Africa, South America, etc.. Few of us have it on our radar that something like a new front end is even conceivable. All known key players in a community need to be contacted if you want to get momentum going. Do you remember? One frontend for all languages.
We need to get all key players to resteem Chriddi's vote promotion post. There are only 9 resteems of her vote post this morning alone. The article was published on 2024-01-31, 21:02. Not a single representative of a language community paid attention to Chriddis' post, let alone spread it further. Not a single one translated it into their language. This doesn't really seem like the start of a movement.
We need to outline more clearly what should happen. We're not talking about style cosmetics for a green model that you want to paint blue. We're talking about a brand new tool that is perfectly adapted to our needs. We are talking about bots that are integrated, an optimal introduction to Steem and help that is always kept up to date. It must become clearer what is to come. So far it just sounds like a new color.
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There's been quite a lot of drum banging behind the scenes to increase awareness and understanding across the various communities. So far, I know that the Bangla and Korean communities have been made aware and a few in the Venezuelan. I've only heard from one Nigerian "influencer" but I've not contacted many because the voting doesn't seem to have started yet. It'll become easier at that point.
Every movement has to start somewhere... a solitary voice grows into a small group, grows into a riotous mob and before you know it, you're throwing orange paint on the Mona Lisa screaming that CHANGE IS COMING!!
Not for the project that I'm proposing... I'm proposing changing the layout - moving components around the page, making them more visually appealing... making it look like a website that was designed in the 2020's rather than the 1990's. If all goes well, I propose to introduce a new landing page - a dashboard for logged in users, bringing in elements that are already available but scattered around the site.
I'm trying to avoid introducing new functionality, changing how voting bots work, removing the need for 3rd party tools - for this proposal, I'm keeping risk to an absolute minimum... Make it look beautiful. Make it a website which when people land on, they think "that looks nice, let's dig deeper".
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The big question is whether it's wanted. In my opinion, it never has been. In certain circles, a higher public awareness level is not desirable.
If I were the registrant of steemit.com, I wouldn't be interested in it either, considering the ever-increasing censorship laws, especially in the USA and the EU. You must not forget that the domain owner is liable for the content. The best example was the case of "The dark Overlord". The account and the articles were no longer available on steemit.com within 24 hours.
Nevertheless, or perhaps because of that, you have my vote. :)
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Oooooooo, intriguing. I must find out more.... that Dark Overlord's an interesting person. Doesn't ever seem to actually say anything though. Lots of talking... not much actual saying.
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@thedarkoverlord is a hacker group. They have leaked a lot of interesting things. The reason why they were deleted and criminalized everywhere at the time was because they published documents about 9/11.
The question is who the real criminals are. The hackers who "stole" this information and sold it or those who carried out this false flag operation.
With other interfaces you can still find the publications on the BC. On Steemit.com the account was "removed".
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If you know the URLs, the content they posted on Steemit’s still available but they linked to everything so none of their posts actually say anything.
I can’t say I’m a fan of their blackmailing ‘business model’ though. Seems rather cuntish.
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Make it configurable. Give them style sheets. No problem. Do you like the Steem in your party's colors? Here you go, select the colors.
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I believe that people can do this through their browser - configure any website to be whatever colours their eye sight desires.
If I code the site badly enough, then I can probably prevent this 😉
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Does anyone have any idea how many votes would be needed to carry some weight? And how many active users we actually have... - could not be properly answered. If there is hope, then it's based more on your person and not on the community, to be honest... I'm excited and keeping my fingers crossed!
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The question mustn't be "How many votes?" but "How much vests?"
Answer: A little more than 51.54 million.
Achieving this is a very challenging task, as it is almost a third of the total vesting fund (~177 million).To explain why this "small" hurdle - to overtake the return proposal - was once built into the DAO (Decentralised Autonomous Organisation) pool and how it was used to exercise control by former rich witnesses would go too far here.
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I have absolutely no idea! But I'm going to pester every single one of them to give us a fighting chance! This could become a "People's campaign"... POWER TO THE PEOPLE 😄
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I support your effort! We need developments and noise to the world! Cheers.
Without a try, nothing happens. With a try, there is a chance that something happens.
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Thank you 👍
I agree 100%... if one of us can get a proposal approved then we might see others try and before long, we'll have the most vibrant platform 👍
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Hi @the-gorilla :)
Admittedly most of the technical stuff is over my head, but from a user and most definitely from an aesthetic standpoint it would be REALLYYYYY awesome to see Steemit get a facelift!
Thats a really great idea!
I will also echo @o1eh sentiment on the matter. It sends quite a strong message in my opinion, that yes - Steemit is very much alive and evolving and I think that you will find a surprising number of people who will be happy to catch wind of that news.
Definitely have my support and wishing you all the best with it. It sounds like there may be a relative amount of hoops to jump through, but it would be wonderful if successful!
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I just want to make Steemit pretty 🙂
I just need everybody to vote, no matter how much power they've got! We're up to nearly 6m on the first day...
👉 VOTE NOW 👈
A long way to go but I know that if the community pulls together, we can do this!
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Well, I am a designer by trade so I definitely like pretty things! lol
Absolutely!!! I realise this is going to make me look like the complete idiot I am but I clicked the vote button yesterday and then stared blankly at the page with all the proposals and did NOT see the little vote arrow on the left lol... so I was like.... wtf do I do haha!!! Clearly the heat got to me yesterday or the two coffees this morning have worked because I saw it now, lol.
Anyhoo... It is not much, but have voted with my account and the steemitbloggers and theluvbug.
If I get the opportunity to spread the word, I will do so gladly!
Keeping fingers and toes crossed!
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Thank you 👍
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Pleasure!!! All the best with it!
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This is a wonderful really, the idea behind the project is great! This has to be rebroadcast around for every to see especially the community to have idea about this and to also voice as a community to be in one mind..
This is very good one 👍
Retweet!
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Thank you - let's make some noise
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Hi @davidad,
The proposal's getting close to being approved so I wanted to check that you'd still be happy to vote and support it?
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This is wonderful news, this new interface will make Steemit look more realistic and progressive, how I hope things favour you so this become reality.
Kudo to you, for this hard work , hopefully you will get support from the community to make the plan a reality..
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Thank you... Fingers crossed 🤞
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You are welcome..
Happy weekend @the-gorilla
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Hello friend, I think it is an excellent proposal, very pertinent and necessary at this time, since it would refresh our image, together with a good campaign to disseminate the renovation project, it could bring many people to the platform.
We are supporting
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Thank you 👍🏼
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Gran propuesta ? aquí mi apoyo
Great proposal? here my support
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Thank you 👍🏼
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siempre a su orden mi amigo ... me gustaría hablarte en privado usas discord
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My username's simply #thegorilla
If you ask me for votes, there'll be trouble...
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ya lo fuera hecho ; me gusta ganarme las cosas con mi propio esfuerzo
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I haven't seen a friend request, do you want to send it again?
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Mi Discord oscardavid79#0846
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I am very happy that you are sharing information about this. Your work is wonderful to support, I support your proposal
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You can’t vote on my proposal until Thursday (it’s the one at the bottom) and you’ve voted on one which converts STEEM to HIVE so you should check what you’re voting on before pressing the button.
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Thank you 👍🏼
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@el-gorila I think to create a specific proposal that is easy and economical to implement to use as an experimental project in the operational aspect and community organization, I mean a project that has little margin for error, easy to implement in terms of time, money and human capital; Once the objective is achieved, a new, much broader and long-term proposal can be created.
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My dear friend don't worry I have already supported your proposal and I will invite all my friends to also support you as well
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That's great, thank you 👍
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Much appreciated
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I think it's a very good proposal. 🙂👍
And it is judged that the importance of thumbnails will increase with such as this interface.
So I have a suggestion, and I hope there is a function to select thumbnails from the photos used in the posting.
(Currently, the top photo is exposed.)
Like the [advanced] feature in the [Writing] page of UPVU.org .
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I like the advanced features that upvu provide - to begin with though, I want to minimise any risks by focussing on layout before introducing additional functionality. I've seen previous attempts to update the codebase result in unwelcome side-effects and knowing that I'm predominantly working with CSS files significantly reduces this risk.
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Hello, all the advanced functions that upvu provides are very good, it would be a success if it were applied in steem.
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Hello, I've not used Upvu so can't comment on their features. I think it's quite good though if Upvu remains different from steemit.com so that users have a viable alternative. I'm definitely not averse to implementing additional ideas though - which features in particular of theirs do you like?
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That's a very good idea. It would be great to bring some of the features that are applied in Upvu to Steemit.
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This would be AMAZING!
@the-gorilla
You have received a 100% upvote, resteem and a feature in our latest LuvBug Blog Curation post!
HAVE A LOVE-FILLED DAY!!
With hugs from...
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Thank you 🙂
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pleasureeeeeee xoxo :) Wishing you all the best with this!
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This page looks fresh and attractive to everyone and I hope these changes will give a new look to Steemit.
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I hope so too 🙂
Don't forget to log in here to cast your vote. Our proposal is currently sitting in 2nd 👍
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Done!
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That's fantastic, thank you. I wondered if I could persuade you to "double-down" and remove your vote from the "Return Proposal" via Steemworld?
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Great post! Your insights into this topic are very deep. Hope to see more from you!
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Hello please support me
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As requested...
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Nice blog 🤗
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Supporting proposal
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Proposal voted and resteem.
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GÜZEL BİR GÖRÜNÜM TEŞEKKÜRLER
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This post has been featured in the latest edition of Steem News...
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I have a notification that I clicked on but it still shows up in the notification as not yet viewed. What should I do. Thank you
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Click "Mark as Read" on the notifications tab. The notifications only get cleared when you click this.
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Thank you
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Nice one
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Thanks for this awesome, well considered comment. It means a lot to me.
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Thanks
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No problem
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Amazing proposal
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Great 👍
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Great post! Your analysis is spot on. Looking forward to your next post.
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I'm impressed by your work. The way you explained this is very clear. This definitely made me think.
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thank
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All friend voted and follow me
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Great proposal
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Thanks
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We supported you too. :) and this is very good to see a modern look:)
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good
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nice...
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Good job
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The classic answer... It depends.
If the project is delivered, and that's it... we all sit and do nothing... then it's likely that people who stumble across steemit.com will be more impressed and more likely to register than they otherwise would have done. As @o1eh said, it shows that the project is alive.
So assuming that I'm the only person who does any work on this, then it's a positive outcome.
If I'm not working alone and people think beyond "that looks better", then the community might think "oh, this is a great PR opportunity. Why don't we contact x, y, z crypto news sites and get them to publish a story... ''Steemit's ALIVE''"... create a buzz, get some interest, make some noise... something might happen, investors might take note.
So yes, it entirely depends...
If we do nothing, we'll get plenty more nothing - there's an infinite amount of nothing available to us.
If we choose something, we might get some more somethings.
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It's a good thing that this proposal isn't "doing something for the sake of doing something".
The front-end is in desperate need of an upgrade. It has done since it launched and by delivering an updated front-end, it makes Steemit stand out from its competitors - i.e. Hive and Blurt.
In addition, it provides the opportunity to say to the world - Steemit's going somewhere. It's the only social media blockchain that looks modern. It's a social media blockchain that you can show to your friends and they'll say "it looks good", rather than "what's that?"
Without a doubt, it will achieve this. To update the front-end of a system of this nature, for a maximum of 12,000 SBD is the bargain of 2024.
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