Teaser: Steem/Tron Atomic Swaps

in hive-167922 •  5 years ago 

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https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemitblog/update-townhall-and-witness-meeting

The most important question in our minds going into these meetings was not whether we share the same vision for Steem, but whether these two organizations, each with their own strengths, can work together to help realize one another’s visions. We were happy and somewhat surprised, to discover that this is the case.

Both organizations are trying to onboard the masses to the blockchain through amazing applications. But while Steem is taking a more application-specific approach that enables it to provide speed, consistent user experience, and free transactions, TRON is constructing an ecosystem of interconnected databases like the TRON blockchain and BTFS each of which serves a specific purpose. They see the Steem blockchain as the perfect addition to this ecosystem.

After meeting with the team we all agreed that the best way to progress our missions and add value to one another’s stakeholders is to connect our two powerful blockchains through Cross-Chain Atomic Swaps!

Sure, sounds great!

I just can't help but feel I'm being told what I want to hear. When Steemit Inc hands the Steem witnesses a hardfork and tells us to update our blockchain, it's a completely different dynamic with the company having been essentially sold to Tron. Code review is going to be pretty important now, I hope the Steemit dev team suddenly learned to well document and organize all of their code into something that actually can be reviewed. If not, do you think the witnesses will update it? That's a pretty uncomfortable situation.

How would the atomic swap even work?

I don't know much about atomic swaps, but I do know that they are extremely complicated. Will there be some kind of arbiter that attempts to sync both blockchains for said atomic swaps? Will their be locked smart-contracts waiting for a transaction to go through on the other chain?

My vision of atomic swaps between two smart-contract platforms would be to mirror the other chain with a token. We make a Tron SMT here and a Steem TRC-10 over there. Of course the more I think about it the more it makes no sense, because this technology is complicated and security is difficult. I'm curious how they want to go about it.

There's also the prospect of calling something an atomic-swap when it is actually pretty centralized. Give the centralized agent the money and trust them to make the swap. We could then work backwards and try to automate the process and slowly get rid of the central authority (this is Binance's model). Fun to speculate but also silly to do so.

Conclusion

The potential threat of Tron being in charge of a Steem blockchain hardfork puts the witnesses in an uncomfortable position and makes code review an utmost priority. Considering the space we are in (open source development) all code should obviously be well documented and reviewed by multiple third parties.

However, the value of legitimate atomic-swap technology between the Steem and Tron ecosystems cannot be overstated. It would likely propel both chains to much higher market caps (especially Steem which is obviously much lower on the list).

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I feel baited.

I accept the Trojan Horse with open arms.

One-way Atomic-Swaps

Just thought of this one. The only way you can create SteemTRC10 is to send Steem to @null with a memo of something like "SteemTRC10" and vice versa with Tron to TronSMT. Liquidity might be a little weird. Can the pegs be maintained? It's all about cross-chain consensus. Steem would have to create tokens out of thin air when SteemTRC10 got burned on Tron. Tron would have to create Tron coins out of thin air when TronSMT got burned on the Steem blockchain. Can we come to consensus? Hopefully.

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Just when with weren't sure where STEEM was going; it's gotten even more complicated. Fog of war it would seem. Let's see how the 'town hall meeting' goes.

Here's a good summary of how cross-chain atomic swaps work:

https://blockgeeks.com/guides/atomic-swaps/

The first limitation that atomic swaps face in its current iteration is that three conditions need to be met for two cryptocurrencies to engage in atomic swaps.

  • The cryptocurrencies must have a hash algorithm which is inherent to both of them
  • Both the cryptos must be capable of initiating hashed timelock contracts
  • Must have specialized programming functionalities.

Does Tron have the same hashing algorithm as Steem? :D
Silly DPOS chains.

"Inherent to both of them" does not refer to the hashing algorithm in mining.

It simply means that the same hash lock algorithm needs to be used as a smart contract controlling the contract addresses on both chains.

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

AtomicDEX uses a proven P2P protocol— libtorrent, a particular implementation of the BitTorrent DHT— to form the main networking layer, known as Market Maker 2.0.

https://komodoplatform.com/atomicdex-komodos-revolutionary-p2p-atomic-swap-decentralized-exchange-now-in-public-beta/

AtomicDEX can technically support over 95 percent of all assets including Bitcoin, all UTXO-based coins, Ether and ERC-20 tokens, and any coin that supports time- and hash-locked payments.

I am with you. I laughed when I read that.

Atomic swaps arent the solution, they are a given. All blockchains should strive for atomic swaps, it is the answer to exchanges and the threat of shutting down the exchanges. Ideally atomic swaps take place instantly no matter what the chain is.

Of course, as you stated, it is a very complicated thing to do. Thus, this all sounds very fishy to me.

I think, ultimately, we end up seeing a fork. My conclusion is tron thought they were getting steem and they will not rest until they do that.

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@edicted this atomic swaps cold bring in some confusion o the steem community and when confusion occurs then of course that will be followed by some uncertainty and we know how negative uncertainty can disrupt the market and make it be in a bad state or not so good state...

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i have been hearing about the atomic swaps for some days now and i do not even understand it well,but this post by @edicted have actually educated me and made me to fully understand what it is and make me to realize its possible advantages and disadvantages too....

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i feel indifferent about the atomic swaps,i believe if it is done it could help as a force to help drive the value of steem/tron up...

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Wow. I am feeling deflated. I hope something good comes of this meeting.

Atomic swaps are neutral towards the contested issues of seized stake and governance, so it is a logical olive branch to hopefully build a working relationship and establish some trust with the developers/witnesses, and to his credit Justin has been forgiving and reached out to establish this relationship. The best an investor can hope for at this point is good synergy. Necessity is the mother of invention and exigent circumstances can inspire brilliant behavior.

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