Just a quick one as I've seen the list of Steem accounts who will not be dropped Hive tokens. Excluding the already Soft-forked accounts, approximately 32017233862 VESTS / 16,348,191 SP is held in the accounts listed on this post:
https://steempeak.com/hive-101145/@kopasi/this-is-called-the-hive-airdrop-exclusion-list-hive
And including the Steem related accounts already excluded, there is a total of 150146146162 VESTS / 76,665,523 SP not receiving HIVE tokens.
source - pixabay
I read that these tokens will be moved to the SPS, or DAO, or HPS / HPF for safe keeping, for now.
Looking at the list in the post linked above, the excluded 'normal' accounts seem to be a list of those voting from the Tron sock-puppet witnesses. Unfortunately, due to the nationalities of those siding with Sun, this has been labeled 'ethnic cleansing'. There are however some accounts on the list which I don't believe are owned by asian communities members, and @roelandp states in a reply:
Consensus in the Hive group decided the specific rulesets for this INITIAL airdrop. You can find the rules for the ruleset in the code of 23.0 which you are already stating in this article.
And @lukestokes:
This isn't about race at all, it's about those who chose to attack Steem and made it clear by their actions they are not interested in what Hive represents (decentralization).
That said, I didn't agree with the criteria used or the subjective method for how it was determined. I understand the perspective of those who came up with it, but I would have preferred to just exclude the Steemit ninja-mined stake just as v0.22.2 did.
Fortunately, it seems that there is an olive branch being offered, as @roelandp suggests:
I want to let you know that the case for "forgiveness" is very much alive. We all make mistakes.
You are very welcome to start a Proposal .... to unlock those funds.
Personally, I'm a little saddened to see 'steemchiller' on the list, and would love to see 'Hiveworld' make an appearance at some point.
Ok, time to fire up the work laptop - day 3 of ? at home for me.
Good luck all!
Asher
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Vader has spoken. I think the Hive team will be more negotiable than him though....
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Fortunately, the people on that list all get to keep their Steem and so does Justin. They got exactly what they wished for. I also hope Steemchiller comes around and makes a decent proposal, perhaps a little more diplomatic than his most recent post.
I think it's the people who were supporting Steemit for the money that are doomed (record of greedy actions / selfvoting beforehand). I've seen a few of them claim it was a mistake. :|
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Differing opinions but I'm siding with the approach taken, especially with the olive branch available.
I don't think it would of been so bad just to exclude the original soft forked accounts and poloniex, but what's done is done.
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Yeah, I'm the same.
I decided to put the forked out people into 4 categories:
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Concerns about the witness cabal freezing accounts based on questionable subjective reasons seem to be justified. Who will be the next to have their funds frozen on Hive, and for what reason? There does not seem to be a clear ethical principles involved, just emotional reactions and madness of the crowd. It is a shame there is currently no option for a community that respects both private property and freedom of speech from the two options we have created.
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I'm not sure there was that much subjectiveness to it. You voted for Sun's socks, you are on the list. I could be wrong but assume those were the 'simple' metrics used.
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I would call that a subjective reason, but it wasn't that simple, they also included proxy votes and an arbitrary 1,000 SP cutoff, or at least it seems arbitrary because the reasoning and discussion behind this decision was not made public.
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Not all proxy votes, just those who set their proxy to someone who voted for puppet witnesses.
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Ouch, steemchiller. That is a shame.
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He wrote a post. Doesn’t seem like he has much interest moving over.
He voted for four sock puppets...
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He did vote for sock puppets but would have been a great addition to hive. Sometimes you have to step back and look from afar
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I want him on the team...
Well, his product anyway.
I wonder how much it’s $$worth$$ to the blockchain.
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Ach, in the end is just another tool so probably not too much. They should have these things banned into the front ends themselves. But they don't. It's too complex for mass adoption :0)
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Yep, the key name for me. Let's see what he does (following today's post).
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I hope he makes a proposal!
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Replied to you on Steem chain, fail!
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This exlusion list literally kills all my enthusiasm for Hive.
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Sun killed my enthusiasm for Steem.
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+1, the entire situation just escalated way too quickly. I'm still processing everything trying to get a full understanding.
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HIVE IS ALIVE!!!
JOIN US, YOU'LL HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME BALANCE AS YOU HAVE HERE ON STEEM WITHOUT THE CENTRALIZATION AND CENSORSHIP!!
https://hive.blog
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I wondered what you were doing there!!! Hehe
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Not sure what's going on!
I can't get a comment to stick on hive.blog, and then I go and check the Steem chain and there they are!
huh!?
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That's mental. I had to log in to Hive with my posting key but it's been fine
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Have you used the new keychain extension? Its quite easy but not on the chrome store yet
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I heard about the new feature for Hive theyre cooking, HDF (Hive Development Fund) if I'm not mistaken. I think its synonymous to SPS, Im not quite sure though.
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HDF sounds pretty nifty, cheers.
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Yep! I concur with you here big way. It would be indeed a very regrettable loss not to count with a 'Hiveworld' shortly in the next days. One of the best appreciated dApps in the Steemverse.
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I'd really like a Hiveworld, Steemworld is the best window to Steem by a long way.
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Just now I commented to steemchiller, he must come and be on HIVE. And no one stops him to be on both sides as well, if he chooses that path. There would be some people who would still like to be on the steem world, and that should ideally be fine and not impact the hive world.
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Except it will cost him $$ and time to run both sides. With no stake he has no reason to go to hives
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I'm not sure he will, but I'd welcome him and Hiveworld with open arms.
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I will miss steemworld, and now there will be no hiveworld I suppose. That does suck.
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Yeah, a key app for Steem, I hope he/someone does something for Hive because I'm currently a bit lost!
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I think they should have only excluded the Steemit et al stakes. In a free association blockchain people should be able to vote for whoever they want and not face sanction as great as this.
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There is a part of me that thinks the same, but Sun really fecked Steem and it became clear there was no reason to support him any further - which some did, and here we are.
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Let’s hope those 70+ million Hives don’t turn into the new “ninja-mine”.
How ling will they be holding them and when will they burn those?
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The right way to have done it would have been to have the community have the say. A pity that we lost Steemchiller.
Certainly hope that he continues on Hive.
Blessings!
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