Who is still on steem?

trincowski (68) · 4 years ago

I'm using both at the moment... but not double posting like the majority of other people are doing. So, you'll get different posts from me if you're on Steem or Hive. Ahahaahh! 😃

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

awesome - so you are not double posting. I had been, but I do not think i will be doing so for much longer.

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whatsup (75) · 4 years ago

I think it is way to soon to make such rash judgements about where Justin is going with it. In my opinion most of the negative actions Justin took were a reaction, to having his stake tampered with, a full on smear campaign and a lot of negativity in general.

Both groups continued to escalate and very little conflict resolution was involved.

He has stated he will turn governance back over to the community.

I am concerned of the lack of real curation, lack of developers and of course some of the rumors being presented as truth that have taken place.

We are literally 1 month and 4 days into this poorly handled mess. I guess neither team is one I would want to entrust with a large investment if we can go from zero to nuke in that period of time.

I started on Steem though, so I will give it my power down period to calm down. Maybe things will change, but at this time, it would be hard for me to want to start again on a new project.

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4 votes

paulag (73) · 4 years ago

I agree 100%, the actions Justin took initially were a reaction, but he also said oh I'm going to do this that and the other, and went and did the opposite and that's after the initial reaction. Both sides have played some sort of card in this which I have not agreed with.

"I am concerned of the lack of real curation, lack of developers and of course some of the rumors being presented as truth that have taken place"
^^ something I didn't even think of, to be honest, I was only thinking of the people side and the community. But great points and for sure worth taking into consideration.

I hope this split does not mean we lose you, you were a very active part of the community and I hope at least one of the platforms will be able to hold on to you :-)

Thanks for your input

whatsup (75) · 4 years ago

I am really unimpressed with both teams at this point, but I am willing to watch it calm down.

There is plenty of wild west activity in crypto in all projects.

We shall see who gets their shit together and makes a plan... If anyone.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

its all kinda b puts a dampener on my dreams of steem becoming the backbone of web3. You are right, there is plenty of wild west activity in crypto in general, lol i just didn't think I would get caught up in it...looks like I'm a lot more foolish than I thought.

I guess time will tell - let's hope it all works out for the best some how

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krnel (78) · 4 years ago

All the witnesses he saw as threats are gone, yet all the sock puppets remain in control of the witness list for the most part, maybe a few aren't, like the top 3? Then more accounts have been created in the past week or so and voted into the high ranks by Sun.

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whatsup (75) · 4 years ago (edited)

They have actively been asking for community witnesses to step up and when they do, they have been supporting them.

Many of the former community witnesses are still actively spamming and milking both platforms and a few are offering real tools and keeping them functional.

Character. intelligence and critical thinking show up in times of conflict. Who just believes the story and who takes a step back and looks at it from both sides.

In fact if you were paying attention many of the sock-puppets have been replaced with the few left here who are trying to hold something together, again... It's been a week since the fork.

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pangoli (69) · 4 years ago

The way you think, dear, is amazing. I wonder why people cannot step back and just think things over from the beginning.

With the success of the smear campaign against steemit, I now question how much of history that we have accepted as humans are actually the whole truth.

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jacobtothe (70) · 4 years ago

True, the actions of the witnesses attempting to soft-fork the Steemit stake during the transition may have been rash and short-sighted, but then again, all Sun did was prove their concerns valid in his response. His ability to seize control in collusion with a couple exchanges abusing their clients' investments was atrocious evidence that they may have been right.

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whatsup (75) · 4 years ago

That's one way to view for sure.

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revisesociology (73) · 4 years ago

I've found this to be a perfect platform for my poetry and photography, at least for the next few weeks.

Then I'm all in on Hive.

Haejin is back posting again, so there's at least one of your 'friends'.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

lol Haejin was never one of my Friends

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jacobtothe (70) · 4 years ago

Full #rewardpoolrape is in effect from the old abusers now, I suppose. SFR left. I don't know what Steemcleaners and Cheetah are up to nowadays.

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chekohler (70) · 4 years ago

I’ll be on both, I think that the control makes a difference but it’s not the be all and end all! I hope both platforms find their stride as much as I don’t like what Justin is doing I want crypto to grow and if he can do it so be it, it’s all about the bigger picture for me!

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

the control makes a difference to the ideology I had, but my ideology does not suit all. More control might be a great thing for steem (but it also might not be)

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jacobtothe (70) · 4 years ago

I also want to see it grow, but not by means of deception and usurpation. Those means do not lead to good ends.

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bashadow (65) · 4 years ago

I am moving my posting over to Hive, I still visit and comment some on steem, and I do vote on those that have chosen to keep a presence on steem block chain. I am powering down some of my steem, but am also leaving some, not a full power down. Things change, and peoples attitudes do change, even those rich spoiled boys and girls sometimes grow up. One day someone else may come along and buy steem out, and return it to decentralized status, he may change his mind and just get bored with everyday drama and let it go. One never knows what life will bring.

SO I will be back and forth, supporting via votes mostly on steem, but an occasional comment also.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

Powering down but leaving some, that's interesting. I wonder how many others will be doing the same. I started a power down the night Justin voted in his witnesses but if there is any hope for steem, i might take the same approach as you on the power down.

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bashadow (65) · 4 years ago

In a year or two I may be back, maybe earlier, but I will still be here to make votes, and for that I need a slider, (to many people to vote on at times). I may even want to post every now and then, and it is possible things will improve in six months. I just did not want to make a full blown knee jerk reaction.

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gduran (69) · 4 years ago

I am one of your followers, have never interacted with you. I am staying on Steemit, at least here I expect to see some change, Hive is practically what Steemit was a few months back and Steemit was heading straight to disaster. What I really dont understand is this idea of decentralization, all witnesses on Steemit, at least the top 20 were there because of @freedom, who was one of the original ninja miners, thus I think he was a part of @ned, if you noticed these top 20 witnesses always did what Steemit told them to do. The same thing that will happen now with Justin Sun, so where is the difference? Also this will happen too on Hive, a few will have all the power.
Sun might make this site grow or perhaps he will destroy it, but at least things will be changing and change is always good it is what moves the Universe. I do hope both platforms prosper.

paulag (73) · 4 years ago

thank you so much for the comment.

Agreed @freedom kept the witnesses in their top places, but I do not agree that witnesses aways did what steemit inc wanted. there was a fork set up by inc that was rejected and there was also many discussion about forking out steemit inc before all of this anyway and these discussions were because witnesses and others were not in favor of actions taken by steemit inc.

I also hope both platforms prosper, but I will be honest, I don't have much time for both. One will end up with more attention from me than the other.

as for sun, well he runs a torrent site, my courses have been copied and streamed on these sites hitting my revenue. so obviously I am not in favor of this sort of stuff and I personally don't like his business ethics. But leaving him out of it, it would be nice to see both platforms suceed

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travelwithus (73) · 4 years ago

still here.... again

paulag (73) · 4 years ago

me too, it looks like many people are staying

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simplymike (67) · 4 years ago

I'm struggling with the same thing. I never actually thought of making a post with the question, though. It might be a good idea to do it.
I'm probably going to cross post from Hive to Steem, at least until my power down is finished. Afterwards, it will depend on my followers

paulag (73) · 4 years ago

having followers and friends are a big part of my decision - i don't just want to follow the 'in-crowd' , although i am drawn to the decentralized nature of hive over what seems to be lack of decentralization on steem since the arrival of Justin

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katharsisdrill (71) · 4 years ago

I will be on Hive... most of the people who make content that interest ne has moved. Some still post here a bit while powering down.

paulag (73) · 4 years ago

yea most people that make content that interests me has also moved, but that does not mean the people that read my content have

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katharsisdrill (71) · 4 years ago

True, but I can only speak for myself, and I read your content.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

lol at least someone reads it, thank you for your support

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steevc (73) · 4 years ago

For those who rely on online income you have to optimise that regardless of petty politics. I am concentrating on Hive now as I lack the time to keep engaging with Steem as well. I am powering down here and still curating with auto-votes, but do not intend to post much. It is a shame to see the community split, but most seem keen to move to Hive.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

I'm not 100% sure 'most' are keen to move - a majority yes, but there are many that are afraid to stay on steem, which is not good and not a good sign for how things will play out on hive - in control in a different way

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steevc (73) · 4 years ago

It has divided the community. I just think Hive hold better cards, but then Justin has great resources. I just don't like his attitude and Steem is his to do as he likes now.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

I dont like his attitude and I have personal problems with BitTorrent as my courses were copied and streamed over there. I took a hit on my revenue because of that, but that's a different story!

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nickyhavey (69) · 4 years ago (edited)

I'll be posting to both via my website as I'm a music producer and more platforms = more potential fans but will see which is more beneficial for me over the next few months (in terms of engagement, rewards etc).

I am powering down as I want to have some of my earnings out and get back at least a little bit of what I put in money wise.

As @whatsup said, neither side is covered in glory but the politics are things I try to stay out of (sometimes that is difficult lol).

See you wherever!

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

lololol yeps see you whereever

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revisesociology (73) · 4 years ago

@tipu curate

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tipu (67) · 4 years ago

Upvoted 👌 (Mana: 5/10 - need recharge?)

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jacobtothe (70) · 4 years ago

The fork has split users, no doubt about that. I anticipate several months of chaos as the community shuffles around and a consensus develops for the best platform. Hive is going through a few development issues, although that is to be expected, and is much smoother than I initially expected it to be. Steemit has almost 4 years of head start on brand awareness and PR, although Sun has done a lot to kill established good will. I also expect token prices to wildly fluctuate as people buy, sell, and speculate across the platforms. Who knows where this will go. For me, Hive will be the main platform for now. What the future holds is hard to say.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

yeps, the future is anyone's guess

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slobberchops (74) · 4 years ago

I'm moving to Hive, but will continue to curate and do the odd comment like this one until my SP is near zero. That is going to take some time

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

yeps powerdowns take time, that's what Justin wanted to change

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juanmolina (68) · 4 years ago

Regards dear @paulag.

I think we experience the same feeling.
As I read your first few lines there was practically an echo in my thoughts.

I am currently trying to probe the views of my community's (Project Hope Hive) subscribers.
In fact, together with my partner @crypto.piotr we have implemented some google forms and a Dpoll, precisely for that purpose.

We have been working on our project for a couple of years and it really feels like an emptiness in the chest just thinking about leaving Steemit. Of course, the project would continue in Hive. But we are currently exploring both chains.

We never imagined living this dilemma, did we?

Your friend, Juan.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

I seem to be getting more interaction here on steem. I think i will make the same sort of post on hive and see how many comments I get :-) a bit of a social experiment

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PROJECT.HOPE curation trail on both chains: STEEM and new HIVE

juanmolina (68) · 4 years ago

Thanks for kind and attentive reply.

Your opinion is interesting. Most people are
They tend to publish more on Hive.
I will particularly stick to both for a while.

Without intending to abuse your kindness, I would like to ask you: Would you mind checking out the recent publication of our Project Hope Hive? We would highly appreciate your opinion.

Thanks in advance.

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quotes-haven (69) · 4 years ago

When parents divorce, it is the children that suffers. :-)

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

indeed, this is so true

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lextenebris (62) · 4 years ago

Personally, I'm everywhere. I don't see any reason to keep my content specifically localized to a single platform which is capable of hosting it, if it is effectively trivial to put it in multiple places at once. As it stands, that is certainly true when it comes to both Hive and Steem, and I've taken to cross-posting a good chunk of my personal/professional blogging content to LBRY as well because all I have to do is export a Markdown file, which is the content format I'm working with already, and upload it over there.

Some forms of content are just not suitable to posting on Steem/Hive, unfortunately. A group-contributor blog that leverages a more personalized look, like the round robin screenwriting event I'm currently running? There is no good way to do that on any of the currently extant blockchain social media platforms. They just don't support a rich or flexible enough user experience, which is a terrible shame.

Realistically, what I would have rather seen happen would be SteemPeak/PeakD unifying their interface and allowing simultaneous posting to both media platforms. There is very little difference under the hood and doing one stop publishing to both blockchains might not have satisfied the extremists on either side but it certainly would have played to the needs of creators a lot more directly. There is, of course, still time for that to happen since, as others point out, it's only been a little over a week.

I find it interesting that you have this ongoing issue with "decentralization," for a couple of reasons.

Steemit Inc. never really built a decentralized system. While they sometimes made noises as if they intended some sort of decentralization, the underlying architecture of proof of stake, even delegated proof of stake blockchains are inherently geared toward the usual distribution of influence. Hive doesn't begin to address the exact "vulnerability" (as it's been described) that allowed Justin Sun to step in and take over a controlling stake. All it does is change the names of the people who need to be bought out. Not even that many names. In a very literal sense, Hive is exactly as centralized as the Steem blockchain ever was.

I'm looking forward to seeing some serious studies of the distribution of tokens on Hive even roughly the equal of the recent post from @danmaruschak on the post rewards on Steem one week ago compared to two weeks ago. There was a time I could expect to see that kind of information presentation and data diving from the Business Intelligence community but it's been a while since we've seen people chasing numbers and showing figures. If ever there was a time to study systems from the ground up after a major change, this would appear to be the time.

The other reason that your desire for decentralization seems a little funny is your likewise expressed objection to BitTorrent because it's used to distribute pirated copies of your work. You do know that JS bought the originating company long after the protocol was well-established and that BT doesn't really have a built-in discovery system, right? The people pirating your content have nothing to do with JS or BitTorrent-the-company; they are using privately produced front ends to what is probably the most decentralized content delivery system on the planet. It is the decentralization that you object to, the fact that there is no way to censor or control what information is provided by the protocol. Individuals can do anything they want to. Platforms can provide whatever indexes they want. That is literally what decentralization allows for. That is the whole point. You can't have censorship and control resistance along with protection of copyright. It is mechanically impossible. It is procedurally impossible. If the content can be perceived by a person, it can be duplicated and shared with a decentralized methodology, and there is literally nothing you can do about it.

That doesn't have anything to do with Sun. He has no input into the mathematics. He is the CEO of the company established by the original creator of the protocol and which is currently doing its development out of his San Francisco office – but they have long disavowed any connection with piracy groups and have gone out of their way to push the decentralized content market into far more legitimate areas, including distributing large media file content for videogames and other content providers around the world.

Of course, like blockchains often promise, the BitTorrent protocol allows creators complete freedom to put whatever they want up on the network. It also allows for individual search/discovery systems to refuse to link to anything they don't feel like. That's decentralization.

There are plenty of reasons not to like the way Justin Sun does business but there's absolutely no reason to make up unreal and unrealistic ones.

It would be a lot better for creators in general if there was a lot less partisanship when it comes to what is effectively just the database living behind the search front ends. From a creators point of view, the last two decades in commercial computer science have been very much about trying to remove having to care about what database lives behind where you want to put your content. That's why there are a dozen tools for posting simultaneously to Twitter and Facebook. That's why a lot of the serious users of both platforms are still leveraging RSS feeds from both so that they have a single point of consuming content.

As a creator, I want people to find and see my stuff. I will put it in front of them wherever they happen to be. It is increasingly hard to justify putting content on either Steem or Hive, at least from a discovery and search point of view. And that's a shame.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

yeps not all types of content are suitable for everywhere. You gotta know the audience.

"I find it interesting that you have this ongoing issue with "decentralization," for a couple of reasons."

I guess I live in my own little dream worlds with my own ideologies. Plagiarism is on fire on BitTorrent and although you believe that is true decentralization, I believe it is theft. Just like Justin thinks it was a theft that his coins were locked and others do not, we all have personal standards on what we deem acceptable.

As for steem and hive - I think I will be on both. I spent so long on steem and being honest, I am getting more interaction here than on hive. Interesting indeed.

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happyme (68) · 4 years ago

Wow! This and the reply below are so full of logic and common sense. We need more people like you to calm all the hype and false accusations. Thanks for bringing some sense to the platform. Too many are allowing their emotions to get the best of them because they don't have the facts.

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aristak (53) · 4 years ago

¡Great post, @paulag! In my opinion, the "STEEM vs. HIVE" war is ridiculous and inmature. It promotes the centralization exponentially. I believe the only way to keep these websites (& many ones like @Partiko, SteemPeak, DTube, etc.) is keep posting original and quality content.
Many posts I saw about HIVE & STEEM are mostly tantrums & complaints, in these days. But your post is an example of how one isn't here only for money. But also for share a good quality opinion, work, etc.

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paulag (73) · 4 years ago

thank you for your kind words. I spent a long time on steem and I don't want to see it ( or hive) fail. There is no need to be bitter, the fork is done so leave it at that is my opinion

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