Steem Deep Dive - ROI for a Freelance Writer Vs Loss of Proof of Brain

raj808 (71) in hive-174578 • 5 years ago (edited)

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5 years ago by raj808 (71)

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revisesociology (73) · 5 years ago

@tipu curate

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tipu (67) · 5 years ago

Upvoted 👌 (Mana: 0/3 - need recharge?)

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

cheers fella :)

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

I meant to ask what d'you think of the analysis Karl? When I was writing this I thought it was the type of post that would interest you.

Private member's trails can be negative to your engagement, and don't really add anything to steem.

Trails like curie, c-squared are gr8 & positive, but my experience of using a private member's trail weren't worth it.

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

shared at that what'd'ya call it? ermmm.... oh yeah that twitter place.

https://twitter.com/rowanj808/status/1236009426626232320?s=20

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meesterboom (78) · 5 years ago

$3 dollar steem, nay, 10 dollah!! ;0)

A Very in depth post and good too. A bugbear for me had always been the steem centric posts. They put people off here because that's all they see.

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

A bugbear for me had always been the steem centric posts. They put people off here because that's all they see.

Yup, I've been on about it for years. I had a few conversations with people at steemfest about it and their attitude seemed to be 'you think you know better'.... fckn right I know better! It is obvious to see from anyone looking outside in on steem.

I don't know how many writers I have tried to on board here only to have then say exactly what I stated in this post. One of them is a famous writer who is an anarchist too, but his exact words were

"I got bored after two minutes reading the posts that were on the home page." This was a year and a half ago but the person I'm talking about is a big name, and he was interested in the concept, and is defo into crypto's as a concept.

$3 dollar steem, nay, 10 dollah!!

Aowwwwww... why I ortta!!!! (shakes his fist at the cheer-leading 😉)

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meesterboom (78) · 5 years ago

Hehehe, Cheerleader for life! Not really.

It's awful. It's all that Steem(it) is about. Same old when we moon blah. I was in the first wave of joiners and what a community we were. It was bad then but as time went on it actually got worse because people saw it and copied it. Some of them were rubbish, others elevated it to an art form.

So people come and think, this place is shit, everyone just literally talks about the place itself I have seen a million reasons and justifications for it and they are all shit

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

I was in the first wave of joiners and what a community we were.

Aye, I honestly don't think I'd have anything to moan about payout-wise if I'd just joined 6-8 months earlier and written exactly what I started out writing - scuba diving reports, short stories and poems. I joined in July 2017 and like I say, just a year too late to be among that first wave of people who saw the legendary $1000 posts flying around like moonpie 😉

people come and think, this place is shit, everyone just literally talks about the place itself I have seen a million reasons and justifications for it and they are all shit

That's today's big problem on steem for sure. To be fair to people right now, Tron-a-billy rastaman Justin has whipped the steem posters into an extra level of furious steemy content creatoin, shit even I jumped on the band wagon a few days ago with my post about the PR machine and.... yada yada yada.

But I honestly had a migran yesterday just from hanging around in the town hall and listening to it all for 4 holurs and at the end of it I thought, 'if I tied someone to a chair and forced them to listen to that for 4 hours they'd be signing over their grannies inheritance to me in a flash'

"take the money.... I can't take any more of this talk of forks"

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steempeak (72) · 5 years ago

What kind of metrics?

And yes guest comments is something we want to get back to finishing when things start to settle down a bit.

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

What kind of metrics?

page view count
Page reads - I.e. how long the visitor to the page spent there.
Traffic Sources - I.e. has a viewer come from a google search(which is something I mention in this article)
Clicks on links in articles/posts

I know that some of these things have been mentioned for ages on steem. I'm not having a go in any way. I'm also completely unaware of how possible/easy they could be to build into a blockchain based site like the steem front ends.

Just spit balling. Those are some of the things that could allow for really assessing how steem blogs are doing bringing people onto the site from outside.

And yes guest comments is something we want to get back to finishing when things start to settle down a bit.

Cool. Sht, I know that things are kinda all over the place right now. Thanks for reading and taking the time to ask what I meant by metrics. I appricate the interest and if my suggestions help, I'll be doubly happy.

Despite the current uncertainties, I'm always excited watching people build this place to be the best it can be @steempeak, and at the moment, IMO your platform is the best way to interact with steem hands down!

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steempeak (72) · 5 years ago

how are you liking the page views metrics we are presently giving for steempeak? (dashboard)

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

They're great. Especially the voting pie charts are useful as the Ink Well hive community owner I can judge if I'm spreading the votes around fairly and generally visualize without having to drop in and out of steemworld continuously.

The graphs too are awesome for assessing growth. All those metrics in the dashboard are fantastic tools for judging progress and processes with your steem accout :)

I'm defo a steempeak convert @steempeak

I've literally been using it for only 2 weeks since just before I set up my community and I wouldn't go back to busy or steemit now :)

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steempeak (72) · 5 years ago

have you seen the spot for view counts?

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

I have to admit I hadn't spotted it lol

It seems you've got me covered on most of what I was after anyway.

Forgive a newbie with a blind spot when it comes to figuring out new tech things ;-)

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nickyhavey (69) · 5 years ago (edited)

Why stop at $3 steem? "Steem to the moon baby"... And so on and so forth...

Love the in depth analysis as well, I'll have to get a clean pair of pants on after the spreadsheet analysis

I follow trails I trust (travelfeed, steemitworldmap and curie) because otherwise my VP would just be sitting idle as I am not really a "super active" steem user. So if I can just give a bit of upvote love to those who have been recognised by others, it's the least I can do. Plus being busy with studio time, day job, Co running EMA and yourtop3... Suddenly, where's the time gone! Plus offline living...

Reality for me is that I just have to follow trails as I can't be around all the time. I'd love for steem to be a livable amount but the reality isn't there yet, not for us UK folks!

If I ever become a whale or an orca, I'd do my best to make sure the decent content gets rewarded, let's hope steem is still around by the time that happens!

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

Love the in depth analysis as well, I'll have to get a clean pair of pants on after the spreadsheet analysis

ha ha, shit happen.... or in this case other more pleasant things. We all get a semi for a spreadsheet now and again lol

I follow trails I trust (travelfeed, steemitworldmap and curie) because otherwise my VP would just be sitting idle as I am not really a "super active" steem user. So if I can just give a bit of upvote love to those who have been recognized by others, it's the least I can do. Plus being busy with studio time, day job, Co running EMA and yourtop3... Suddenly, where's the time gone! Plus offline living...

I get it, but I wan't really talking about that type of trail. There are one or two private trails where the support is literally only for other people on the trail. It is essentially a circle jerk... pure and simple! And that's what I experimented with out of sheer frustration and anger over the things I mention in this article.

travelfeed, steemitworldmap and curie trails are supporting all kinds of diverse deserving people, the trail I refereacne in this article is a private members club, hens why I needed to lease SP to get the higher vote... it is basically a bunch of people voting only each other.

This is why I apologize half way through the article, and attempt to explain my position as a freelance writer in feeling pretty much forced to see if/how I could increase what I earned for quality writing on here.

Anyway, these private members trails/circle jerks have been going on for years and they'll probably still go on for years if steem survives. I wanted to provide an analytical post here without judgement based on experience.

Also, I'm over it! Trails I might do again, but not private member ones... only ones like curie that are lifting everyone up!

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nickyhavey (69) · 5 years ago

We all get a semi for a spreadsheet now and again lol

Hahahaha! Spreadsheet semis anonymous club 😂 although it's not so anonymous now it's on the blockchain... Oh well! There is an excel community as well in case you needed to pass the time lol!

Ah I get it, sorry for the misunderstanding, I have seen these types of "trails" but it is circle jerking and ethically feels a bit wrong but understand the allure of doing them. Thanks for the objective look at them.

Whatever happened to working for your steem, getting to know people and creating a network of followers who would come back to your blog? Call me old fashioned but I find it's far more rewarding getting authentic support and comments. Sadly seems many don't want to put the effort in

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

Whatever happened to working for your steem, getting to know people and creating a network of followers who would come back to your blog? Call me old fashioned but I find it's far more rewarding getting authentic support and comments.

it is, and you're right. All of my gripes were around ROI on time, which I think comes across in this post... but the crux of what I discovered by joining a trail of 'mutual stroking vote club ' is that it made no difference to that issue anyway.

ethically feels a bit wrong but understand the allure of doing them. Thanks for the objective look at them.

Yeah, it is really but there is a serious grey area I think as a lot of people on steem do essentially vote the same people, I think the difference is that 'most' of them, however little they step outside their circle, actally do interact with that circle.

Anyway, I feel like it was worth doing just for this analysis. I wish i could have read a post like this before I made the decision to give it a go. It would have saved a lot of wasted time.

Flipping it like a PR ninja😂

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robertandrew (67) · 5 years ago

Thanks for a very well written post. Very detailed and in depth. Appreciate especially the part of Trails. Great to know that :)

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raj808 (71) · 5 years ago

Yeah, private member's trails can be negative to your engagement.

Trails like curie, c-squared can be positive but my experience of using a private member's trail weren't worth it.

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revisesociology (73) · 5 years ago

Very interesting.

I agree 100% that vesting steem and networking are more important than producing quality content. My rewards grew exponentially after SF3, when nanzo scoop added me to his autovote, pretty much on the basis of me just saying 'hey fellow Brit, we've got shit in common'.

And networking - now I'm working with taraz and anomadsoul on Steemonboarding (although that's temporarily on hold I THINK) and I've been added to the tribesteemup autovote, mainly because of sharing interests and the whole ecovillage thing I think.

It also helps that a couple of manual voters have powered up hugely in the last year - most obviously slobberchops.

So irrespective of the quality of my content, which hasn't been that great recently TBH as I'm a little bit burnt out I still get roughly the same vote per post.

Except when I write about Steem as you say, when I might get a vote worth twice as much as usual.

My 'elevator pitch' post earned $90 for example, highest earning in the last 12 months.

So yes - Vest, network, write about Steem if you want to earn!

On the following trail stuff, I didn't really get what you meant - do you mean following a voting trail? I don't see how that's going to get you more votes - I do follow Tribe Steem Up, but that's more out of courtesy as that account votes me, and I joined it after i'd been added. Also i only weight that at about 8% of my vote.

I use autovote a lot which works for me, although I've tweaked it down recently so I can do more manual voting.

Both of us earn LOTS of steem compared to the average BTW, we're probably both in the top few hundred of earners per post I imagine.

Maybe that's why Steem's stagnated - 500 accounts or so suck up most of the rewards, and outside of that it's pretty crap. We both remember what that's like.

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