The topic of club5050, club75 and club100 has divided opinion on Steemit. Whilst many users have "embraced" the initiative, others have been openly critical. Whether you like it or not, the sentiment behind the initiative is clear - asking more users to Power Up more STEEM.
Since launching, a few users have created tools to check club status against with the simple logic of...
You Power Up More Than You Transfer Out
Simple enough and in my opinion, too simple.
An Example
If I were to earn 1000 STEEM, Power Up 1 STEEM and withdraw 0 STEEM then technically, I'm in club100 aren't I?
But then what of the 999 STEEM? This isn't really in keeping with the spirit of clubs and in my opinion, it's certainly not supporting the initiative.
Igniting the Spirit of Clubs
So as many of you already know, I created my own tool which I believe reflects the intent behind clubs and is more in keeping with clubs underlying raison d'etre.
This tool is openly available to all - simply change the username in the URL after "author=" to your username to see your status.
This is the tool that our @steemcurator08 curation team is using to determine club eligibility. Those users that have powered up 200 STEEM and have over 1800 STEEM sat in their wallet will obviously not like this (as we've already found out) but I can't help but feel that these users are deliberately ignoring the reason that clubs were created.
Oh, and I'm now a quadruple dolphin 🥳
Happy 4x Dolphin Day !
And thank you for developing this tool.
We do take notice also of liquid STEEM and SBD in wallets, as well as Cash Out v Power Up.
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Thank you 👍🏼
My interpretation of this is that "Open Trades" in the Internal Market are also "liquid STEEM and SBD", so I've kept them included within the chart. I've removed the "beneficiaries" (which could be used as a loophole) and left this data in the table (with details in the "Transfers Out" tab).
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I'm sorry that my efforts to improve things are resulting in so many questions to you. It was certainly not my intention and I had no idea that the community was so unwilling to think for itself.
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Excuse me friend, I think the word incapable is too much, we are just looking for a way to link ideas and actions,
Respect for colleagues must be paramount.
@steemcurator01
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Perhaps "incapable" was a poor choice. "unwilling" is perhaps more appropriate.
Every day, we see complaints about the "centralisation" of power. Complaints about Steemit's lack of forward progress.
I launched a new tool to demonstrate progress. I was working on a new front-end to demonstrate progress. To show that we don't need to sit and wait for Steemit to act or to tell us what to do. To show that the community can act without being told to act. Having seen what I've tried to do since joining (endingplagiarism, top commenters, coding, etc.), both you and @steemcurator01 know this.
Yesterday was a demonstration of the community's true desire. The community doesn't want to be decentralised. They want Steemit to tell them what to do. If @steemcurator01 says "I'm using the-gorilla's tool", everybody will follow. The fact that if my tool says you're powering up, then every other tool will say you're powering up appears to be irrelevant. They need the Steemit team to write a blog post and say "we support the-gorilla's tool".
As somebody else said to me:
I wrote this tool to make people's lives easier. To make the job of @steemcurator01 easier, to make the jobs of curation teams easier. I've achieved the opposite. As a result of my hard work, @steemcurator01 has been mentioned an additional 20+ times. They've been asked to write a post to clarify their position which they quite simply shouldn't need to do.
From my point of view though, that's not the worst of it... My desire to improve things has resulted in me being accused of having "bad intentions" amongst other things. I didn't notice anybody replying to that comment regarding a lack of respect.
Back to the point of your comment... I understand that the use of the phrase "incapable of thinking" to describe people waiting to be told what to do is disrespectful and I have edited it accordingly.
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Unfortunately many do not know the power of the word, I apologize for those who have offended you. The idea is not against the tool, it is exceptional, it allows us to know in an optimal way the balance of an account, but it is necessary to refine it in order not to harm those who are somehow in the lower limit of the requirements as is the case of our friend edittacar86.
I invite you to continue developing your excellent work for the platform, I recognize your great talent for it, you should only rehearse and teach so that it is processed correctly by those who apply it.
In fact, I have a short question or suggestion: ¿Would it be possible to show 2 graphs, one that shows the general, ie, only transfer and on and a second graph showing the actual behavior as it was raised at the beginning?
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That's easy to add so I've included it under a heading "Power Ups v. Transfers Out".
http://steemit.lovestoblog.com/clubstatus.php?author=adeljose
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In my humble opinion, the first chart is the one to look at as primary, the detailed one is for further investigation you want to do on any user, either to corroborate Steem and SBD movements or confirm abuse.
In my case, you can see
If we look at the following first choice graph, it makes us stop on 2 aspects "knowing that I use the #club75 tag.
First, it clearly shows that I have only turned on 70% of my rewards, and second, it creates uncertainty as to how the Steem liquid balance will be interpreted, which is clearly affecting my inclusion to #club75, this is what we must be careful about.
That is why, in my opinion, this more detailed chart should be put on the back burner, just for the purpose of studying openly confusing cases.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the application, just the data that can be seen at first glance.
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I understand although when designing this page, I did it with the mindset of "one day, clubs won't be needed"... so although I positioned it as a useful tool to check club status (which it is but I wish I hadn't said that), the day that Steemit doesn't "incentivise" people to power up will eventually come. At which point, the "where has STEEM/SBD come from and where is it going" will always be the most important thing on this page.
Thank you for the suggestion of including Power Ups v. Transfers Out and I wish that somebody had suggested it more than 24 hours ago.
I really, really can't emphasise enough how badly I don't want to think about or write about this tool ever again.
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Sungguh gembira rasanya bila sang lumba-lumba telah ditaklukkan di hati semoga saya bisa mendapatkan sang lumba-lumba untuk kedepannya 🐬❤️😘
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There will almost always be holes to use to be able to circumvent rules and many unfortunately do so with overlays and think that they are not seen.
Steem is like a game and users just get smarter and smarter to take advantage of the system. I'm glad you're developing tools that make it easier to find such users.
The rules for @club5050, @club75 and @club100 can probably be difficult for some and not for others. But extra difficult for new users who use the tags without thinking about the use of the tag
And it is difficult for new users to find rules for the clubs unless other users or communities help them
I personally think that a user should have been a steemit for a month and written at least 10 posts before he or she qualifies to join the clubs.
I also believe that those who recruit users must take greater responsibility and tell more about rules here at steemit
And I forgot one thing about tags
when you use the 7 tags that you have the option of and you use other tags in your post, the system can add another tag.
Shows you an example from my own post, I use these tags
After I post, it shows one more tag
text in my post
I change the rules a bit now and support the new initiative of #club5050 #club75 #club100,
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I think that this is important. Oftentimes, somebody will proudly share "I have introduced ... to Steemit" and within 2 or 3 posts, they'll get caught plagiarising. With the idea that recruiting 10 people is better for Steemit than finding 1 good person. Unfortunately, the "recruitment message" is focussed around how much money people can make, setting the wrong expectations and many are now "trained" to go to the Newcomers Community, post their achievements, etc. without seeing the bigger picture of what they can achieve on Steemit.
That's difficult to avoid with tags - I'll sometimes want to refer to #club5050, #club75 or #club100 without alerting the attention of everybody looking.
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If you earned 1000 STEEM, you would have to power up 50% for 5050, 75% 100% of what you earned and also you would have to power up more than you transferred... or something like that i think. 5050 rules are actually not that simple because there are more conditions what to do, what not to do..
People understand it differently and we don't know for sure what is 100% correct or where to check the info.
Some communities/people get more details from steemit we don't
just try our best and hope we are doing right...
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That’s my understanding too and also how I believe the clubs were intended to function. I’ve always been of the “what are they trying to achieve” mindset rather than expecting Steemit to tell me what calculation needs to be made (and then waiting for some cheeky bastard to find a way of circumventing the calculation 🤣)
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yeah... club check is actually hard to do and I get confused especially I don't have the right info lol
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🤣 It's rather complicated. There are so many different ways to transfer STEEM (which one tool creator deliberately used to hide 16000 STEEM's worth of transfers!!) and then there's the STEEM that's "in limbo" in the Marketplace.
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"in limbo" doesn't count as power up IMO since its not powered up yet... otherwise we can do all limbo thing and say we are trying to power up or whatever... but if its not done, its not done. no power up
"Hiding" STEEM thing is can be tricky to discover... since there are so many holes lol
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I agree 😁 And in most cases, the people "hiding" their STEEM know that they're doing it.
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One example in Steem Japan... https://steemit.com/hive-161179/@steemcurator08/r9tpuf
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yeah I should fix it...
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Oh, is that your calculator? 🤭
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Congratulations 🎉🎉🎉 on your 4X dolphin 🐬🐬🐬🐬, I share in your joy. Meanwhile, I sincerely appreciate this tool especially the reason behind it. I was wondering why some will be storing liquid steem in their wallets meanwhile the spud4steem will come and go, the steem will still there and they will still be in the clubs.
They are simply playing a game. Is either you powerup and remain in the club or you do what's on your mind and simply go out of the club. Kudos to you @the-gorilla. Let see how it goes
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In some cases, this is true. I think this is where the 3 month data can also be used 🙂
Exactly. There's a lot of information which people can choose to interpret how they wish - calculations and what's included and excluded can adapt with experience.
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¡Hola! Felicitaciones por tus cuatro delfines.
La herramienta luce bien, pero creo que debe considerar, que en Steemit como comunidad, se incentiva el encendido cada primer día del mes, entonces, al menos en mi caso, he adoptado recientemente esa filosofía, además de que no me veo obligada a hacer power up cada día por cada centavo que entra a mi billetera; así que ese día enciendo todo lo que tengo y no retiro nada ¿Qué pasa entonces en estos casos? Por lo que entiendo, según esta herramienta, sólo sería club 100 el primero de cada mes.
Saludos
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I think that this is quite common and this is where the 2 month and 3 month data is useful. In your case, when I look at the 3 month data, it's clear to me what your intention with the "non-powered up" STEEM is.
If this non-powered up amount was far greater(e.g. 1000 STEEM) and had been accumulating over a longer period (i.e. the spud4steem initiative had been ignored), I'd wonder why... leaving a large sum sat in your wallet doesn't benefit anybody. It's better off powered up to help you and the community or in your bank account helping you.
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Excellent, it is now clear to me. The tool is very helpful in interpreting the data.
Thank you for your kind reply and have a beautiful day.
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You’re welcome and thank you for highlighting a very important point that I’d missed 😊
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The tool doesn't show any information for me. Am I doing it wrong? I have never withdrawn any Steem and always 100% power up.
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For you, the URL is:
http://steemit.lovestoblog.com/clubstatus.php?author=brittilicious
If nothing was being displayed, it's possible that the username in the URL had a typo.
You have a lot of SBD in your wallet and it looks like you haven't converted it to STEEM (which you can power up). Do you know how to do this?
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OK I converted most of that to STEEM and then powered up. Hopefully I will have some more street cred now as I really do 100% power up all my posts.
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There was a reason I had those sitting there. I believe that I was going to to use them for prizes in contests, but I got very busy and didn't have time. I suppose that I should use them to power up.
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Don’t feel any pressure. I saw them there and didn’t see any power ups so didn’t know if you knew 👍🏼
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There is many confusion due to this, I agree with you, at the first of it I did a post teaching users to how determine club status based on earnings manually. But after it the Steemit team announced that they was going to use cash outs instead, i.e if you withdraw x steem you should power up this amount or higher to be club 50; that's why I'm using this formula in Cotify, but personally I consider more logic get it based on earnings.
Greetings,
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That perhaps explains why people are keeping large amounts of STEEM in their wallet. To many, it’s like the clubs is a “game” and they’re doing the minimum to play.
I’m not sure who’s tool has been used, but do your transfers out differentiate between STEEM and SBD. I’ve had one user today think they’re club75 having powered up 60 STEEM and transferred out 8.6 SBD (the tool says they’ve transferred out 8.6 STEEM).
They obviously know this but think we’re stupid.
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This is the one I'm referring to...
https://steemit.com/hive-161179/@steemcurator08/r9tpuf
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who is maintaining the tool that the user is using? is the first time that I see it...
this is the result using cotify:
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I don’t know - I’ve only seen starlord’s tool (I don’t know the URL to cotify)…?
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Feel free to check:
http://t.me/steem_cotify_bot
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Ah, I don't use telegram 🤷🏼♂️
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Have fun with a quadruple dolphin :) Stronger, more enjoyable days are with you with the power of 4 Dolphins :)) By the way, the tool is very clear and understandable :)
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Thank you 😃
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Felicidades x ser cuádruple delfín.
Un gran trabajo que realiza.
Felicidades.
Probaré la herramienta.
Una pregunta, en lo personal, por razones de salud, me ví obligado a hacer un Power down para costear un procedimiento médico (Soy de Venezuela). Producto de dicho Power down, perdí el derecho de usar la etiqueta del #club5050 hasta hace aproximadamente unos 10 o 12 días que pude volver a usarla, sin embargo, en ese mes que estuve sin apoyo de votos por parte de @steemcurator01, @steemcurator02 y de los booming, nunca deje de publicar, casi a diario, he estado apoyando con votos a muchos steemians de varias comunidades, sin embargo, y a pesar de ya haber superado el Power down, no sé si hay alguna restricción de apoyo, ya que, aunque sé que los votos no están garantizados, continúo haciendo publicaciones y en la expectativa de recibir nuevamente el apoyo de antes.
Muchas gracias por su tiempo en leerme.
Saludos.
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I am sure that your patience and perseverance will be rewarded 🙂
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Good evening @the-gorilla Very well done for developing such a tool. I did use it already. I also bookmarked it and I will be using it in the future. I love the straightforward graphs and the colours used even in the summary of power ups for instance. This tool will save me time scrolling down on the wallet page and even searching by the keyword transfer in order to find a Steemian's latest power ups. Congratulations for becoming a quadruple dolphin and being on the lifestyle curation team. Happy curating and thanks for making Steemit a better place for all of us.
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Thank you 🙂 I'm still finding ways of trying to improve the tool!
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Felicidades amigo por llegar a cuádruple delfín, que sigas creciendo mucho más y bueno acabo de utilizar tu herramienta para comprobar mi estado. La veo muy útil y la colocaré en favoritos en mi computador para estar revisando desde ahí y así tener más confirmaciones.
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Thank you 👍🏼
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Greetings @the-gorilla, everything you put through your tool is the same as what we get at https://steemworld.org/, both what is in the wallets, such as transfers, beneficiaries and activations, even what is in the market it can be seen at https://steemworld.org/ but with this tool everything is more simplified, in a single explanation which seems great to me. It is understandable and helps to see the commitment of people in terms of clubs, this is an ideal tool for any community leader, CR or moderator in my opinion, because if we have the ability to manage communities, direct people and guide them, then it is not so difficult to understand this, since it is applied to be able to correctly select the boomig. But I don't know why you changed it, you just simplified what is found in steemworld, what was missing was that you give a detailed explanation of each area so that those who were confused could understand. If you put the tool back as it was, I promise to dedicate the time to simplify the explanation of your tool if you allow me, but the truth is that I found it quite useful.
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Hi @sampraise, thank you for your kind words.
The tool is still available, the only change that I made this morning was the removal of "beneficiaries" from the chart (which can still be seen in the table).
If you could clarify "If you put the tool back as it was" for me please then I can better understand what you're referring to.
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Referring to those who responded to him in this comment by adeljose
It is evident that although it is in the tool it is not taken into account for compliance with cubles, but it is used to detect if any user benefits a secondary account to get more resources by getting rid of the club... I don't know if I made myself understood.
Most of us place beneficiaries in communities and even charities, but it is always good to be alert to those who want to take advantage of this and create secondary accounts to get rid of clubs!
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I understand. I think 🙂
Beneficiaries are still within the tool - in the table to the right of the top pie chart. But many are relying on the pie chart to make decisions upon "club status" and in this use, it can be misleading.
So the total value of money transferred out to beneficiaries is available in the table. If you click on "Transfers Out", I have kept the details of the "Post Beneficiary" included here. So if there is a high "beneficiaries" value, you can look at this tab and see if the beneficiaries are communities, shared rewards (for steemcurator votes) or somebody trying to "hide transfers" to an alternative account.
Hopefully I've correctly understood 🙂
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Great! 👍 The truth is that there is a lot of cloth to be cut on this matter, but I think that some of them think it is a scandal and they want to generalize a scandal about something that can be clarified just by talking. By the way! Congratulations on your x4 dolphin! 👏👏👏
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There is but it only seems to be an issue with those that haven't really bought into the idea as to why clubs initiative was created.
Thanks 🙂
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very good to have another tool to check our status on the platform, and I recognize that steemit is to learn every day, greetings
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Hola, voy a probar tu herramienta en mi comunidad. Estoy de acuerdo con vos totalmente.
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👍🏼
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Happy dolphin....
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Thank you 👍🏼
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Congrats being 4x dolphin🥳
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🥳
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👍👍👍
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Hi @fuentesjo3006, having reviewed the graph generated, I can see that you have powered up a little, transferred out a lot in prizes and are holding STEEM, presumably for future prizes.
I'm a bit confused as to why you're stating "your case" to me...?
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It is by way of consultation that I expose my case to you, to know why I am not legible to the Club 5050. And I would like you to give me your point of view, why I have never been able to have any support through the club.
Thank you for your prompt response.
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My initial thinking was that whichever tool you use, your power up to transfers ratio is likely to look bad from a clubs perspective. At least by using my tool, there's some clarity as to where you STEEM is being transferred to and by looking at the additional tab, you can see why (the contests).
The difficulty I see is that for your contests to continue and for you to appear to be in a club, you either need to reduce your prizes or increase your rewards. Or wait until your rewards reach a point that the prizes you give away don't equate to 80% of your earnings as they have done in the last month.
I know how enjoyable it is to create a contest that you enjoy running as much as you enjoy sharing with others.
An alternative approach (which will only work if you're honest about doing it), is to have one account for contests and another account for blogging (like my fpl-gorilla and the-gorilla). @contest-3006 or @fuento-contest or similar and then instead of the prizes being a guaranteed 10 STEEM, it could be 80% of the reward pool or if it's a series of contests, 80% of the total rewards earned.
If it were me, I'd probably reduce the prizes or focus on blogging and interacting with people for a while and see where that gets you. When I was curating last week, 80% or more of the sports content was a contest or contest entry. There's an opportunity (if you're patient) to write good content and keep powering up to get noticed as a good sports blogger rather than another contest creator.
Hopefully my thoughts are helpful.
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Thank you very much @the-gorilla, I created a community a few months ago, but never started it. Because I felt that if I didn't have support, I would look bad to the users, and I have always tried in my life to be very strict with my responsibilities. Following your recommendation, it would be good to publish with that community account my contests and with mine good quality sports material?
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Always do what's right for you and make sure that you enjoy it. Votes and rewards don't always come so it's important that you enjoy being here for other reasons too. I've always been of the mindset of trying to do something different to everybody else. If everybody is writing "the diary game", the chances are another diary game won't get noticed. If everybody's running competitions, same again.
To give you an idea of what's about - I create these posts to get me started - all sports tags. If you look at them, there are lots of contest entries. Most of the non-contest entries are not powering up so there's very little for a curator to work with. The same will be true of other curators. In my opinion, get your power up ratio up, focus on writing good quality content on a subject that you're interested in (for example, it's the Australian Grand Prix this weekend), interact with others (i.e. raise your profile) and most importantly, have fun.
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I almost forgot... I'd also recommend that you don't use the krsuccess hashtag. For the sake of $0.02, it stops some people (like me) from finding and voting on your content.
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Thanks so much for the tips @the-gorilla.
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You're welcome. I hope they work 🙂
As a moderator of Steem Sports, do you know why the curation account is powering down? (Same with baseball, basketball and Steem Race)
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Greetings friend @the-gorilla.
The reason for the clubs is to motivate users to turn on the same or greater amount of Steem than they withdraw. The case you have placed is a bit extreme, however, it can apply to users who want to accumulate their Steem to participate in the #spud4steem. This approach must be approved by the Steemit team to carry it out, otherwise, it cannot be applied to a user who is correctly complying with the "Power up - withdrawal" balance to be a member of a club.
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good luck always friend
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