I will offer illustrations, but as you have pointed out, you need a ton of evidence, an air tight case, reams of supporting data, and then... scientific type people might look at it, and not reject it out of hand.
So, i'm working on it.
Here is an image that is half a toroid, imagine completing the rest.
How can you explain that we have mapped the surface of mars, and in all of those images, there is a base there? You know, a square compound, with hangers and parking spaces laid out just like you would find in many of the army bases on earth.
When you look into any of these things, the anomalies just get weird.
Now, i do not believe that the sun is a huge, gravitational/fusion engine. The electric universe model makes far more sense in explain all kinds of things like the solar winds increasing speed as they get further from the sun.
And such, taking images of the sun are not showing a rotation but more like the plasma bubble of a plasma torch.
The sunspots were what Galileo used to record the 28 day revolution. The model does not explain the horizon. Why are objects, like the sun and moon, falling behind the horizon.. You can get a telescope, I have a very cheap one, and look at the lunar surface and observe the shadow to confirm that it's a sphere. All the images I've seen of the horizon from airplanes show curvature, and it's easy to verify with any paint program, the bulge always in the middle and it falls off on either side equally. Your model does not explain where the data came from, from satellites that have been independently verified by radio signals and from telescopes. You also cannot explain why lie about the most obscure thing in the world?
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I didn't ask for airtight case, only for your own illustration of how an inside of a toroid creates a horizon.
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BTW, the electric universe does not challenge the shape of these easily observable factors, such as the sun rotating and lunar liberation.
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BTW I have looked at the numerous anomalies in the mapping data. Have you seen the Clementine Project dragon? The shipwreck and the footage of the Russian astronauts exploring it? Then there are deep space anomalies. The whole fe is a cover for the hollow earth expanding earth, for which there is plenty of evidence to substantiate it, from the way earthquakes travel along the surface to the growth oceanic crust but no sign of it's subtraction, and it seems the moon might also be hollow. The best analogy I read was of Seeds in the book Myths and Deceptions of The Bible. None of that works in an enclosed toroid. None of that explains satellites or why have such a grand conspiracy that predates the United States. None of that explains the horizon, lunar eclipse, solar eclipse. None of that explains any of that, besides making allegations of the largest conspiracy over the most banal and obscure thing to everyday folk.
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Watch the documentary Beyond Majestic, it explains in very simple terms exactly why bases exist. Even better, read anything you can get your hands on about and from Billy Meyer, there are about three documentaries that pretty much corroborate the stuff in Beyond Majestic, I can't recall the titles but one is The Silent Revolution and the latest one I saw was And Did They Listen.
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You suggest "Above Majestic" and you believe NASA about what the shape of our world is, so much so that you use disparaging words against me?
Sorry, doesn't add up.
From my view, everything in our current science books is wrong, EVERYTHING! It is all one big, centuries old, psyop.
And you never question it because you don't ever see conflicting theories.
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How did you reach this conclusion?
I fail to come up with one reasonable hypothesis for why governments and scientific communities across the earth would agree to conspire to such a degree, which most probably would be impossible to cover up for even a year, let alone centuries, and to what avail (just think of all the resources that would have to be sunk into hiding the truth, keeping all in the know from speaking out and any who come to figure it out quiet - with billions of people in the world, not likely - it certainly doesn't hold up to Occam's Razor as I see it)?
How do they profit from us believing in an incorrect model? The risk/ reward (R/R) doesn't add up for me, as the reward is... quite frankly, I don't see it (maybe you can fill me in, here?), and the risk is somewhere along the lines of being a victim to firing squads of liberated peasants or much, much worse.
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Beyond Majestic and what words did you take personally?
Your loaded question aside, I asked you for your illustrations of the horizon. You think that this is a vast centuries old conspiracy, for what end? What purpose does it serve and how come no one blew the whistle on this? You want me to believe in a vast conspiracy predating nasa about the shape of the world yet you offer nothing, absolutely nothing and call me unquestionable? I not only referenced numerous things that NASA would never dare mention, but I also pointed out that the reason for this fe nonsense is to hide the conflicting information that does not line up with a static size earth and which points to an expanding, hollow earth, models that predate the solid earth and as far as I can tell is airtight.
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You declare "everything is a lie". You declare that you speak about facts, and offered nothing when asked to substantiate your talk. You think that the sunspots aren't good enough to be used as reference for determining the shape of the sun and instead offer nothing that explains observations such as that or the numerous mapping data, the satellites that are in orbit and voyager one and two, the numerous gigabytes of data, they are a vast conspiracy without any end but to deceive, even though it's kept up by conflicting parties across the world, like the Russian and United States Space Programs. You claim that the shape of the world is decided by nasa when the shape and it's measurements predate nasa. You live in a world where everything is a lie and think that makes your understanding as correct or true but where is the data, what is your explanation for the horizon, the most basic thing that you have to explain is missing from your theory, and you get attacked by my words? Everything is an attack when you think that everything is a lie. The point of bringing up Beyond Majestic and the other documentaries is to question the narrative we've been sold. The point of bringing up Billy Meyer also was to question and corroborate the information from the documentary. You can't sit there and tell me I don't question any of it. You can't sit there and talk about facts but offer only hare brain conjecture and theory that doesn't account for basic observation like the horizon or the bulge of the curvature. You don't seem to have any regard for truth or fact, or for questioning, especially when you maintain that a vast conspiracy exist over the most mundane things, and even more so when you are neither critical or considerable of what you are saying.
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I brought up one fact.
And you have gone all over the place with that.
Of course, i understand the knee jerk reaction, as it is something that you have been programmed to fight against. It was part of your indoctrination when the programmed your brain with the ball earth theory and all of its supporting pieces.
I have 10 years of college, where i studied all the STEM fields. It took me longer to deprogram myself.
So, i comprehend how much it takes to go against that programming.
Now, wouldn't it be nice to just state what is actually true? That would be great. All i can do is show that the entire science book is wrong, and point at some theories that are better explanations. Nothing nice and pat, like the pat science that you were indoctrinated with.
Have you ever heard of Kozyrev? A Russian astronomer/scientist who basically disproved the laws of thermodynamics. And, you can go perform all of his experiments, because they were very simple. So, why is the laws of thermodynamics still taught?
Tesla showed that Newton and thus Einstein are wrong. But, in "modern science books" you hear about Newton and Einstein, and nothing of Tesla.
So, anyway, you want to know why there is a horizon. Well, its quite simple. Its about vanishing points. It is about the distance with which you can discern a difference. The distance you can see is mostly based on the amount of water vapor in the air. (also other particulates) Further, air is not as transparent as one would like. Look at distant mountains, don't they look hazy and of purplish tint?
Of course i will continue to try to make good articles about the holes in science.
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That doesn't explain why the sun and the moon don't just vanish off into the distance, like you say, and instead fall behind the horizon, or mountains and cities at sea do the same. So you went on at length about what you think about me, my indoctrination but you cannot explain why a bright ass ball of light falls behind the horizon, or a bright ass reflective ball does the same thing, and people at different latitudes can verify that the ball raises and moves over them etc..
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There are some ThemTube videos that are taken in Africa on a very clear dry day.
It shows the sun, not setting but getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
The problem with trying to see a "setting" sun is that it really doesn't go down, in blends into the horizon.
There is also a really weird thing for people near ground level. The cloud, as you look out further become as an opaque sheet. So, as the sun goes further away it gets obstructed by more and more clouds.
From personal experience trying to take a timelapse photo of the setting sun. The sun, just got dimmer and dimmer and dimmer. The digital camera still registered light from that point for hours after dark.
But, none of this has anything to do with the blog i wrote.
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Sure, and you're not critical at all about them. And you never seen the sun go behind the horizon, same size as it is the whole day, like the moon and constellations and like mountains and everything else.
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You can get a cheap telescope and some filters and see that the sun does not change it's size at all. The moon as well. So much for explaining the horizon, or why lie about something so mundane to everyday people.
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None of this has anything with the blog? You literally began by insinuating a vast overarching conspiracy thousands of years old about the shape of the world. You have no explanation for something as obvious as the horizon, and claim now, that the sun just goes off into the distance, what? To magically appear hours later at the complete opposite part? You are so ridiculous in your nonsensical responses that you couldn't be more perfect example of a stooge for the uncritical and unquestionable.
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BTW, what is knee jerk reaction about anything I said? I brought up valid and intrepid questions, questions that were asked only because of the claims you made.
You sit there and literally preach about things that are completely irrelevant to the shape of the world, and you offer vanishing points as any explanation of horizon, as if things seemingly vanishing into the distance can explain their movements across the sky. The fact that you still cannot have any explanation for the horizon is only mirrored by what you think is "simple explanation" for the horizon, and you must either be totally inept in reasoning if you think that discerning an object vanishing into the distance explains the object moving across the sky, or the horizon, or the bulge that you can see from a passenger seat on any commercial flight. You can claim that everything is a lie, you can claim that your "facts" are holes in "NASA's" shape of the world, but you also think that me questioning your thoughts and opinions on these things is a "knee jerk reaction" after you dared to accuse me of being unquestionable while you at the same time are grasping at pure, unadulterated nonsense for the basic explanation of horizon, or why things seemingly fall behind the horizon, and you offer a hare brain model that is as flawed and ridiculous as explaining things vanishing into the distance as the reason why the sun, the moon, constellations and large geographic features fall behind the horizon without any kind of vanishing due to distance. You see, those mountains don't vanish off into haze on a clear high noon day, they can be seen peeking over the horizon from hundreds of miles. You see, that lighthouse you speak of, also, like every other thing, vanishes behind the horizon and not into the distance. You can tie in fe nonsense into the rampant pedophilia and child sacrifice that the elites are engaged in but it only harms the later and the later being true won't ever explain a conspiracy over the shape of the world. I can understand why a conspiracy exists to uphold the myth of "closed systems" that thermodynamics posits and "conservation of energy", because it works in hand with the scarcity mindset. The same mindset is present all over the fe and concave/convex earth, and living inside a toroidal earth, it only posits space as an illusion and puts us in a bubble, it invalidates many worlds in turn and is endemic to the scarcity mindset that profits the same pedophiles that rule the world. The irony is that there is absolutely no reason to uphold a conspiracy about the most mundane of things, and which numerous professions depend on, like putting satellites in orbit. You want me to believe that the insurmountable amount of imaging data from thousands of telescopes, from hundreds if not thousands geostationary satellite and dozens of interplanetary satellites that mapped numerous moons and all of the planets, that cataclysmic effort was all into lying about us living inside a dome, by conflicting parties such as the Russian and United States Space Program/Projects and stretching as far back as antiquity? Lying about an infinite number of galaxies with billions of stars with trillions of moons and planets for no other purpose that to hide the true shape of the world and you think that me questioning such a vast conspiracy which again has zero sense in it's ends and doesn't profit the conspirators at all, that means I'm indoctrinated and am defending "lies" while you sit there and honestly think that things vanishing into the distance is the same as things vanishing behind the horizon, a horizon that is clearly missing from your so called theoretical model and would make things indeed vanish into a haze, as they move higher and higher in the sky? The irony is so strong with you, you are about as critical of what you say as you think I am of NASA, as if this was EVER about one agency.
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I've referenced numerous things that you seemingly offer only to denounce as grand overarching conspiracy, things that predate NASA, things that are contrary to established narratives, like hollow expanding earth, which makes sense to have a conspiracy about, especially so to keep the narrative of overpopulation and scarcity. The fact that you think living in a bubble where space is only an illusion is the most ironic thing, since no physics exist to explain such an illusion and it would posit a Cosmic or Creative Conspiracy to dupe, to make us believe that there is an infinitum of worlds, for no other purpose that to fool us, which the world is in conspiracy to hide such a conspiracy from us. It's so idiotic in scope that anyone who has a modicum of sense can ask a valid and intrepid question such as why the sun and moon fall behind the horizon and anyone who believes the fe nonsense will have absolutely NO explanation, and let alone, a simple explanation. For all your claimed schooling you cannot see how inept at reasoning basic things you are by offering your "simple explanation". Will you ever address any of the questions about your claims with sound logic and not magical thinking? I don't hold my breath, after all you accused me of attacking you, you made my queries into "defending my indoctrination" and you avoided offering the simplest thing, no not the horizon, but the purpose for such a century old conspiracy. It was a question for you, for your opinion, not for anything and anyone else, and you avoided sharing even the most banal of opinions, and I can speculate all day that it's probably because you haven't even considered the scope and scale of such a conspiracy, the later rendering the former redundant, the former seemingly absent of any kind sense but it's irrelevant, because maybe you did consider and maybe you didn't, what matters is that you avoided that but had no reservations about declaring nil evidence or factors what you call "one fact" or offering an explanation of the horizon and things vanishing behind it that makes you seem inept at reasoning anything, so for all you sought to keep your opinion about the scope and scale of such a conspiracy, you had absolutely no problem with exposing the complete utter lack of critical thinking and basic grasp of reasoning that you hold as "simple explanation for the horizon". You can keep your preaching nonsense and patronizing bullshit to yourself because the only holes you exposed are your own, and for all the talk about what you think about me, you still cannot evade the fact that your theoretical model posits space as an illusion in which light curves and which has no chance at being able to explain even something like the horizon, but do think all you want that your theories are for truth or science, who will take you seriously?
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