What happened?

2019-09-29 - Saturday - 01:07 PM PDT LMS JSA - Steemit - I commented:

hi

Spam

Some people might have said or alluded to an understanding, an allegation, that my "HI" comment is spam. I say hi to person one. Then, I say "hi" to person two. Well, folks, it is not like you never ever ever said like hi to a person and then hi to another person in real life. I'm being sarcastic. See, that is the irony in all of this. In Real Life (IRL), this happens all the time. It also happens on Facebook, Twitter, and especially YouTube. Also, not to mention, Discord, Instagram, Infowars Army Forum, Minds, Gab, Tumblr, and many other websites, forums, emails, etc, etc. So, let me briefly show you the three comments that they flagged of mine as follows. I received the flags, the downvotes, on this Sunday, the 29th or 29 of September of 2019 at 02:14 PM PDT and also the last one at 02:15 PM. I may get more flags in the future.

Currently, these are the three flags that I noticed as follow:

Flag 01/03

2019-09-29 - Sunday - 02:14 PM - I got this message saying that spam is frown upon. That came with some flags, AKA downvotes.

Flag 02/03

02:14 PM - Again, I was flagged for saying hello too much.

Flag 03/03

02:15 PM - I got another flag, again, because I try to greet people and that must be forbidden.

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Discord

03:00 PM - Here is my conversation in Discord:

Can I say hi once a year? But not consecutively, daily, to different people? I don't have the freedom to say whatever I want to say to people? I have to say at least ten words? What about the bots that greet new users with the same messages over and over again? So, they are allowed to spam their messages, their books of words, and I am not allowed to write small messages to people? So, does that mean there is a priority placed on the bots and smaller channels aren't so lucky?

Guilty Parties

03:15 PM - Steemit | To @guiltyparties, I replied:

I am back on that list right now for welcoming users by saying just hello and hi. They don't like that. I want to start conversations with people but some people don't respond. So, why should I waste my time with longer comments than just hi, as they may not say anything back. But if they do, then the conversation can grow and extend from that. My REP went from 57 to 55 today.

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Real Grace

2018-04-29 - 08:08 AM - Steemit

I repled

I am glad you are real with a great smile and steem cleaners attacked me as well and my rep went down 57 to 55 because of it. I wish you the best Grace....... he he eh eheheheh ehe ehe hehehhehheheheheheeeeeeee and I wrote the hehe in order to scare the bots away from me because, see, if you write the same message twice, even accidentally, then you are the big bad wolf or big bad woman haha.

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Another Hero

2018-04-13 - 12:33 AM - @anotherhero commented

@steemflagrewards I am not sure where to post this, but the user @ joeyarnoldvn (I have removed the tag so they do not see this post) has been gaining a lot of attention from the community for spamming, but I wanted to talk about some serious issues here that probably have not been brought up yet due to their complexity.

This particular user has just informed me that they are autistic, and after finding their YouTube channel I have confirmed this to be the case. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNx_jlVZqsHhQ4OABNhgcWg

Some of our moderators have been saying some nasty things to this poor guy, not realizing he has autism, and it is creating a problem we never really expected to run across.

This user gives out rapid-fire compliments to every profile he comes across (occasionally without reading the full post) and often saying the same compliments over and over again which he has been informed is unacceptable by steemit spam decection, however in this particular case we obviously need to be careful not to flag his posts that AREN'T spam, because in this specific case, this user is not intentionally abusing the system but is unknowingly, unintentionally abusing the system (and even then it becomes a grey area of what is defined as "abuse" because can this guy truly be abusing the system when he is unaware of the technical reasons why his comments are flagged? Does his content even count as spam? It's a really good question because he may post identical comments on numerous profiles, but he also follows up on every single person who responds, he never says anything mean, and he never says "hey go look at my profile" or anything spammy like that, he just provides compliments...so from a coding perspective, I have no clue how you would design a bot that could differentiate between this user's posts which are non-malicious, and actual spam)

So I don't want to see him harassed any further or banned or cause him too much grief. I attempted to explain why copy-pasting comments or saying the same comment over and over is not allowed on steemit but of course he is having difficulty understanding, and to be honest, at this point even I am having difficulty understanding how we should proceed. He should probably just be allowed to do what he wants on the platform unhindered, and my vote is that we should just consider him the steemit greeter and first friend of all new users, because that's exactly what he is, a friend to everyone.

Let this be our case study for the unknown variables that crop up when developing automated spam-punishing systems and make sure we don't accidentally harm well-meaning users, but still remove their spam posts while leaving the non-spam posts.

This will require community involvement, which will require people actually being rewarded for spending the time to investigate this stuff. I mean I just spent like 4 hours analyzing this guy's behaviour and trying to communicate with him before he revealed to me he was autistic and I was able to finally find his youtube account by searching "Original Oatmeal Joe"

Yet my account is now diminished due to how many flagged posts I made. This is not ideal.

Thanks for reading, please upvote for the effort I put into this, and keep an eye out for @ joeyarnoldvn (again, tag removed to protect him) as well as others like him.

Let other moderators know it is unacceptable to use harsh or derogatory language while flagging users for spam, because we might just hurt an innocent person like this :-(

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Disney Spams Star Wars

04:03 PM - Steemit

Is saying hello to people really spam? Keep in mind that it is not like you say a unique collection of random words to each and every person you talk to in real life, let alone the Internet. Solomon said that aint nothing new under the sun or the sea except oatmeal. You know, King Solomon? So, how often have you you said hello or how are you to different people? Is that spam or is it simply unintentional repetition? How often do you eat the meal in your life? Is that spam? How often does Disney spam the Star Wars story or other stories?

Wow

2017-07-28 - 10:39 AM - Steemit - I made this list for saying "....wow...." accompanied with other words as well. It was not just "wow." It was other things as well.

So, I can't say wow on top of other random words? Wow is what I say to that.

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Concerning DMCA

04:14 PM - If Julian Assange was on here, would he be allowed? See, he could be exposing corruption in governments. But, see, many of those governments, and others, can say, allegedly, that he is not allowed. So, they could also claim copyright. So, what would you do?

Tim Cliff

04:29 PM - Steemit

@timcliff, my REP fell 57 to 55 today because of three flags by @steemcleaners because, allegedly, they say that I say "hi" too often to new users as opposed to automated bot messaged which are sent to new users which they seem to be ignoring or claiming are in fact an exception that I don't get to be part of. So, I say hello to people too much. So, I must be a pretty terrible criminal.

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Plagiarism

04:28 PM - King Solomon said that there aint nothing new under the sun. Something that I say might be similar to something you wrote. Now, that may not necessarily mean that I stole it from you. It could, but not always. It is also a matter of determining how similar is too similar, that is in a court of law.