In 2007, while I was in the Navy, I learned to count cards. This "skill" (easier than most people think) was picked up through practice during 6 months out to sea. I wanted to count cards without being "obvious" as I didn't want to get kicked out of a casino. I'm also not a very good liar.
My friend was bullish on a system called The Martingale. This is a statistically flawed system that attracts those who think they understand probability but do not. Basically, you place the first bet..let's say $5. Win or lose, you are either +$5 or -$5 at this point. Round 2: If you won round 1, you place another $5 bet. If you lost, you double down and place a $10 bet. You repeat the process. The idea is that as long as you keep doubling down until you eventually win, you'll always make up for all of your loses and also get your initial bet back as profit. It falls apart as it's impossible that you'll have enough money to keep doubling until you eventually win everything back. Let's say you go for 3 rounds. Here are the possibilities:
- Lose, lose, lose (-$5,-$10,-$20 = -$35)
- Lose, lose, win (-$5, -$10, +$20 = +$5)
- Lose, win, lose (-$5, +$10, -$5 = $0)
- Lose, win, win (-$5, +$10, +$5 = +$10)
- Win, lose, lose (+$5, -$5, -$10 = -$10)
- Win, lose, win (+$5, -$5, +$10 = +$10)
- Win, win, lose (+$5, +$5, -$5 = +$5)
- Win, win, win (+$5, +$5, +$5 = +$15)
Notice how the biggest loser of any given period is always going to be larger than the biggest winner by the nature of the power of 2. Here, even though only 2 of the 8 outcomes result in a loss, the -$35 loss is more than twice as large as the biggest possible win in a 3 period attempt. Even without the house having an edge this is not a winning system. Also, there is the problem of what to do at the black jack table as all tables have a minimum and maximum allowable bet..usually a ratio of 1 to 100 which would only allow for 7 consecutive loses before you'd be out of room to double for your 8th bet.
Despite my friend flocking to this system like a moth to the flame, I identified it as a losing system. However, I also knew that blackjack dealers would see this as a suckers play, so I mixed it with card counting. I was stationed on the USS Ronald Reagan and found a small casino (The Golden Acorn) which had an excellent table for me to practice on. This was a $2-$500 table so it lended itself to the martingale as it allowed for an 8th bet given 7 losses in a row. When the "count" was bad (the odds were not in my favor based on the remaining ratio of high cards that hadn't yet been dealt and also the ratio of aces remaining), I would use a low version of the Martingale. Basically, bet $2. If I lose, bet $4.. and so on..with a maximum of $32 which would repeat until I eventually won. Small loses occurred on that, but it was enough to hide that I was counting. When the count was good, I would start the sequence around $20 and continue to bet $20 after each winning hand and double after each loss up to the table maximum. The first visit, I walked away with $700 after an hour or so of play. The second visit I walked away with $2000 after a couple of hours. The third visit carried with it the company of a girl from the ship (not an attraction, but still a distraction for my count). Needless to say I broke my rule on a $500 bet since I had lost my place. I haven't been back to the blackjack table since.
While leaving could be seen as an overreaction, I am not a gambler. Instead, I love finding various ways to profit from my own intelligence... or more so, my willingness to think outside the box when others are unaware they are stuck in one.
My next interest was the stock market. During another 6 months on the Pacific Ocean, I learned about investing and also conducted minute by minute analysis of 10 years of Walmart stock data. Walmart was unique to me as it was the only stock I could find which had stayed in such a tight range for such a long time (basically between $45 and $65). I found various reversal points that could be fun to day trade upon. I don't have my notes from back then..but it was something to the effect of watching the first 15 minutes of the trading day (for instance), and based on what Walmart did, I would place a bet on what it would do during the second 15 minute segment. I broke the whole day out into the highest opportunity times. I traded like this for a little while..making 10% or so over a couple of weeks. Then, I made a ridiculous error. I left 3 to 1 margin ($100,000 invested where only $25,000 was mine) in over night. I had bought $100,000 at around $55 per share. The next morning I woke to find it had gapped down to $50 per share. Walmart was down 10% but I was down 40$ (a loss of $10,000 leaving me with only $15,000). I had disappointed myself and so I quit investing for a time.
I learned a lot more about how investors tend to undervalue certain stocks. This in large part is due to the common misunderstanding of asymmetry in the market. I found a stock APL which had been over $30. I watched it around $5 after the market semi-crash about 8 years ago. It had lingered around $5 with low volume..forgotten by the market. After looking over the balance sheet and not seeing anything too worrisome, I looked at the tightening bollinger band (a sign that a very still priced stock could breakout soon for a big move up or down). I decided that the market had not priced in the upside.. the asymmetry of gain vs loss of this stock. After looking over around 100 stocks, APL remained my pick. My criteria were:
- Stock must be below recent pricing
- Stock must have low volume (a sign it has been forgotten)
- Stock must have a tight bollinger band (a sign a breakout could be soon)
- The risk vs reward in my imagination must provide a positive outcome..considering the average of all possible reasonable outcomes.
I put $15,000 toward $5 call options which were priced at a mere $0.40 each. The stock was around $4.90 when I made the purchase. Whether the market saw my bet and that triggered a breakout or it was going to happen anyway..I'll never know. Those options were going to expire in about 2 weeks and the stock exploded. It went to $9.40 and my $30k went to $239k at the peak (the options I bought for $0.40 were now worth around $4.80). I should have kept those as $5 call options to have better odds of remaining in-the-money. Instead I got greedy. If I wanted to be greedy more safely I could have kept half of my $5 calls and used the other half to buy $10 calls. Instead I traded all of my $5 calls for $7.50 calls set to expire in a week or so. The market then did what it does best which is to squeeze options players out by closing exactly on a strike price at options expiration. It closed just under $7.50. If it had gone to around $11 I would have had about $2 million just a few weeks after placing a $15,000 bet. I left the market for a few years again.
I now live in Alabama. I work as an Electrician. I am determined not to work past the age of 50 (not that there is anything wrong with that). I'm focused on learning from my past mistakes. So far this year I am up considerably in my investments. I had $6000 in on OPTT stock at around a $1.50 price. I sold when it went to $5.15 and made $16k. I then moved my money into SCTY (solar city) at $21.60. I sold out of a little at $25 a few weeks later and sold the rest in my trading account between the prices of $27.03 and $27.33.
My little brother recently got me into crypto investments. I plan on making some very profitable investments this year. One should never gamble what they are not willing to lose. To the sceptic, I recommend moving 0.5% of your savings into the crypto sector. At most you will lose half of a percent. I view this sector as another fantastic example of unperceived asymmetry. The potential future gains are vastly higher than any potential loses. That is my view at least. I'll continue on this path and hopefully will provide a part 2 to this post if I am successful in my strategies.
For the record, my current largest crypto investments (all based on risk vs reward asymmetry) are:
- Vericoin (the market cap is around $1.5 mil and the wallet is pleasant. The developers are open and active. This is my largest investment purely because of what I see as poor pricing by the market. The release of CPU mineable Verium soon should bring a lot more investors and users into this. I love the protocol and how it answers certain logical issues the block chain has had for awhile..such as improving PoS. I'm hoping for a 5 fold increase by the end of year..though I acknowledge anything could happen)
- Steem (I have powered up all of my Steem and will consider doing a little bit more shortly. How could you not invest in Steem? Growing user base alone should continue to drive up market cap for awhile)
- Factom (Already receiving some funding from the US Government and being tested by companies. I like my odds here)
- Synereo (I love the risk reward I see at these prices. They need product release which should be pretty soon. As long as they are able to grab a decent user base in the first few months after launch they could go a lot higher).
I recommend reading Naseem Taleb's book Fooled by Randomness which discusses asymmetry in the market which people can be blind to and also The Black Swan which discusses rare events and how risk assessments don't properly account for large negative events, especially as the markets are concerned.
Happy Steemit-ing!
welcome to the party :D
Good to have another fellow (American) veteran around. I think you may be the third hah
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Welcome!!!
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Tx for the post. I have read both those books of Nissam and the third one too. I need to read you post again to understand the gambling logic.
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I think luck plays a bigger part than most people think... I've never been lucky in any of my investments.
That was pure luck... and out of all the risky bets I've taken I've never seen any play out well for me. So I kinda gave up.
I have nearly $50K sinked into BTC over the last 2.5 years and I have a feeling I'm just never gonna see any decent profit. If I do it'll be marginal thanks to my bad luck. I also bought $2500 worth of SP and completely regret it because even with the interest rate over the last month my Wallet value shrunk by $1500 and now that money is stuck for 2 years.... the inflation rate of Steem is ridiculous and the interest does not counter it, at least not at the moment from what I'm seeing. Also no one has any idea if Steem will be around in 2 years so I feel completely foolish buying SP... at least you are earning it though posts like this
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Buying at the short term peak doesn't make it a bad investment. Not trying to sound too critical. SP is designed to hedge against 90% of inflation..so as I understand it if market cap stays the same you'd lose 10% in a year on SP. Steem Dollars are set to gain 10% per year regardless of Steem pricing. I made a much less popular post suggesting that if total amount of Steem Dollars ever exceeded Steem market cap, holders of Steem Dollars would lose their money. I am still not 100% sure that's accurate but I believe it is. Despite that I like my odds here. Sorry it hasn't worked for you (at least not yet)
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Hi albensilverberg,
thank you for the VRC investment hint, just bought up the poloniex sell book :-)
BR,
holzmichl
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@holzmichl this is going to sound like a rookie. But how do you guys even buy crypto currency at all? Completely new to this. Is there an exchange I can get onto to turn fiat into crypto and buy these different block chain currencies.
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The path I took:
*Sign up for Coinbase and transfer money from a bank account into it (you actually can buy bitcoin as part of the transfer).
*I use poloniex, so I send my bitcoin there.
*On poloniex you can buy vericoin and other crypto currencies.
Hope you give it a try!
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@albensilverberg thanks again man. Will look into this method. I'm following you now as it seems we have alot of like mindedness . Not sure if you have any interest in real estate topics, but I will be starting a series of posts this week on real estate investing as its been my most recent endeavor.
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Also, you may be entertained by something I posted today. https://steemit.com/steemit/@scaredycatguide/steemit-the-field-of-dreams-for-the-crypto-world
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Excellent! I recommend not just buying Vericoin but also downloading the wallet. I strongly believe it is way undervalued and plan on going into detail in a future blog.
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Wow, that's pretty good to get away with a 10X bet when the count is good. I never thought of hiding my bet variation with doing the martingale. Good work.
👍
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Thank you. Honestly I didn't make use of it long enough to see how well it hid the fact that I was counting.. but it should give some advantage. Tricking an opponent into believing you are a fool is a powerful asset in many zero sum games.
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The couple of times the casino backed me off, it only took them less than an hour. Many times they didn't back me off because I was drinking. Which probably made me have more errors than I was aware of anyway. 😃
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Ha! I guess I never made it that far (to get removed from the table). It's all fun and games unless the house is losing.
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Nice sharing @albensilverberg
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Very good and complex read. must re-read :)
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As someone who has had his fair share of successes and failures in equities and options over the years, I really connected with this post. You definitely incorporate the go big or go home mindset in your trades!
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Thank you! $15k on a single option play was foolish..but I like to think there was still something to my pick of breakout point and undervaluation. Naseem Taleb actually suggests keeping most assets out of equities and then using a small amount toward options plays. Lots more loses than wins that way..but the idea is that the wins can disproportionately pay off. Finding an area where people are blind to the risk vs reward asymmetry seems to be the key. I highly suggest reading his books if you have not.
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Definitely reading that book next. I used to daytrade, now I just trade options casually in the way you just described. Making bets that have high reward with limited risk. It's the best thing about options. May times I do debit spreads to lower my cost, though it caps the potential return as long as I'm getting 5 to 1 or better on the play I'm content.
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Maybe we will luck out and they'll move the stock market to a decentralized exchange before long (next 10-15 year time frame anyway). Depending on who you trade with those fees can kill you. I've probably spend $3,000 in fees since I started trading a decade ago.
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I entertain myself imagining that if Vericoin (my largest crypto gamble) went to a $10 billion market cap like Bitcoin is.. I'd have about $40 mil lol. I'm crossing my fingers and continuing to research various block chain ventures. Never had more fun.
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Hey @albensilverberg this was an incredible read, makes me want to head to the casino. I really appreciated your analytical approach to optimizing your outcome in every challenge you faced.
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Thank you! As long as one doesn't "bet the farm", high risk is worth the risk. Otherwise mediocrity is the typical path.
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good recommendations @albensilverberg 8]
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That martingale approach is old as the universe...just easy to figure out casinos either ban or win. But still, I like the fact that you suggest taking risks.
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That was a thoroughly enjoyable post
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Also how did you invest in some of those startups? Just by buying their cryptocurreny ?
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Yes exactly. I use Coinbase and the Poloniex exchange. I missed the steemit rise from $0.20 but still bought about 500 as I see the risk vs reward as a good investment.
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@albensilverberg Good post. I also love investing in the markets. I day trade too. I wrote an article on investing in Steemit..check it out if you like. https://steemit.com/steemit/@kdugar/why-you-should-invest-your-money-in-steemit-and-what-lies-ahead-for-it-steemit-is-picking-up-steem
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This post made me smile, i remembered the days where i was in Sweden and was counting cards in small pubs to make a living!
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Ah! Fantastic. You have more experience than I do I'm sure.
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Nice one
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Cool article, nice to see someone pulling back the veil on asymmetry.
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Hey, good article. I also wrote an article on investing in steemit. Check it out if you like. https://steemit.com/steemit/@kdugar/why-you-should-invest-your-money-in-steemit-and-what-lies-ahead-for-it-steemit-is-picking-up-steem
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Interested in the card counting... Teach us ;)
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good
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Hell yeah to more vets! Also, I was on the Reagan from 2004-2006, in personnel, disbursing, training dept. remember the power hours? They started calling them 'spirit of 76' just before I flew off of there
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Ah shipmate! I worked on the nuclear reactors and got to the ship around 2005 mid year.
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We've probably crossed paths at some point then, probably when you were checking in or had to go to disbursing.
There's been a lot of Reagan news since then... mostly sad
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That's too bad. I've been out of the loop mostly. Left the Navy in '09.
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I got out June '09 myself, and data dumped all that stuff. But there were a couple hundred Reagan sailors who got really sick from helping out after Fukushima. That's about the extent of me keeping up with that.
Thanks for the great article, I'm just getting into crypto big time this year and information like this is invaluable to me. I'm looking forward to reading more work from you
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Awesome man. That's cool you are able to think outside the box. Most people can't even think about what they are going to eat next.
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Card counting works, but it takes practice and a little luck.
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Luck in the short term..law of large numbers in the long term. Sadly it only works well in certain casinos based on decks of cards in the shuffle and how deep the dealer typically deals before a reshuffle.
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I've always been curious about this. Great post.
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"I recommend reading Naseem Taleb's book Fooled by Randomness which discusses asymmetry in the market which people can be blind to and also The Black Swan which discusses rare events and how risk assessments don't properly account for large negative events, especially as the markets are concerned."
Best book i´ve erver had.
Thanks for your sharings!!!
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Interesting story, why so less up votes? here is mine
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cool post, @albensilverberg
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Haha @albensilverberg, I was writing a sort of guide about the doubling technique and how it effectively worked for me at American Roulette :'). I haven't uploaded it but I saw this post quite late...;-)
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Awesome!!
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Our whole life is a game!
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Fooled by randomness is one of the best book in this subject!😄 but I think it is much more about the hidden luck in our everyday life.
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The USS Reagan has a casino onboard?!
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No ha-ha. Sorry. While I was in Port but still stationed on The Reagan, I found The Golden Acorn Casino which was maybe 90 minutes away from San Diego.
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You mentioned that learning to count cards is easier than most people think. Since you've gone through the process of learning, what would you compare the difficulty to?
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About as hard as learning to juggle. Maybe not even that hard. Keeping one or two "counts" in your head isn't that hard but if a dealer and other players at the table are quick then it can take some practice to not lose count.
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thats an interesting analysis of that numbers, its all factor of possibilities and probabilities.
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Hello, nice post.
Recently i have started cryptoinvestments (bought some Steem, Factom and Syn too) and using this tool - https://cyber.fund - to manage all my accounts. It helps a lot and its free.
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I am curious as to why people are sleeping on Bitshares, @blockpay, and the graphene blockchain...And BTS is way undervalued imho
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I need to increase my knowledge on bitshares. One of those things I hear about but know nothing about. Thanks for the tip!
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The Developer Dan who developed Steemit is the Developer of Bitshares :-)...I know he has something up his sleeves to piece all of this together for the greater good of the blockchain and Graphene Blockchain
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