Do you own your body? Can you prove it?

valued-customer (67) · 6 years ago

I must point out that there is a difference between our legal persons, which are the subject of political power, and our natural persons, which are inherently sovereign and free. In fact, as natural persons, we are not subject, citizens, nor slaves, and cannot be. This is proved inherent in us by virtue of our natural existence by the fact that no coercive power exists that can undertake to act as us. Whatever inducement or coercive force is applied is undertaken to get us to effect the desired action, and that action cannot be taken for us, but only at our sole option.

No matter what, we act only at our sole option. This cannot be severed from our persons. All the lawfare against free people - and this is basically the purpose of the state - is fraud. You cannot be property. You are not property. You are not owned - not even by your legal person! You are sovereign, and cannot be made to be otherwise.

This invalidates the very concept of legal person as fraudulent, because what person is defined as under every legal theory is not a natural person at all, but property. Persons are not property. This may sound like semantics, but it is simply exactly precise, rather than an inaccurate definition which allows person to be defined as property. It is not merely semantics, but an essential difference, and that difference is the entire basis for legal authority over sovereign persons claimed by overlords of every kind and stripe.

That authority over free and sovereign people cannot exist in the real world. It is a legal fiction, and a fraud.

When that distinction becomes clear, it is very obvious why most people aren't aware of it, and also why we are indoctrinated from birth to not be provided the linguistic tools and historical grasp to independently arrive at the basic truth: actual persons aren't, and cannot be, property, and all claims that persons can be property, subjected to slavery, liable to pay taxes, or the debts of others, are actual fraud. The state itself is a fraud, because it purports an ownership interest that cannot exist, and proceeds to act on that fraudulent claim, which is an inherently criminal act, and, indeed, a crime against humanity even if one argues that no harm is done, because it denies the natural and inherent sovereignty of all free people, and purports they are property.

There are ways to effect social organizations that are lawful in view of this real fact of our existence, but they are the weapons that defeat parasitic profiteers, and thus will be called crimes by unlawful states.

tl;dr you cannot own you, nor can anyone else, because you are sovereign, and that cannot be severed from you. All claims to the contrary are crimes, at least fraudulent, and generally are used to justify further crimes against humanity. This does not prevent us from effecting lawful government, despite claims of statists to the contrary. It only limits lawful government to those powers actually consented to by informed and natural persons.

Thanks!

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freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

You been listening to Eric Whoru?
He says much the same.

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valued-customer (67) · 6 years ago

Never heard of him, but am about to =)

Thanks!

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freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

Here is a link.

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kennyskitchen (72) · 6 years ago (edited)

I must point out that there is a difference between our legal persons, which are the subject of political power, and our natural persons, which are inherently sovereign and free. In fact, as natural persons, we are not subject, citizens, nor slaves, and cannot be.

True.

The issue is that due to ignorance of the language, laws, and practices involved, the average human is tricked into thinking that they are subject to others. As long as someone goes around identifying themselves as that NAME, signing for the licenses & permits, paying the taxes, and obeying, they are actually giving their power over, they are subjecting themselves to, the state.

No matter what, we act only at our sole option. This cannot be severed from our persons. All the lawfare against free people - and this is basically the purpose of the state - is fraud. You cannot be property. You are not property. You are not owned - not even by your legal person! You are sovereign, and cannot be made to be otherwise.

YES! And at the same time, back to my previous point: just because one cannot be owned doesn't mean that their experience of reality can't be that of being a subject, of being without freedom. The power of mind control is that simply convincing someone that ____ is true, they will end up experiencing reality as though it were true. This interview with Marshall Sylver (a world-renowned hypnotist) is a GREAT piece that gave me a whole new angle on the intersections of propaganda, mind control, free will, manifestation, and the experience of reality.

Basically the same response to all the rest as well really :-)

The state is simply a concept that masses have been trained to believe in, it doesn't exist. Except that in the fact that billions believe in this concept, it has form in the real world as well. The belief, the focus, the stories in the collective consciousness, all lead to the physical manifestation of those beliefs.

Unraveling those stories, changing people's core beliefs, those little changes, are really the key to collapsing the whole thing. This recent interview with Davi Barker covers some of this from a really powerful and pretty new angle. Taking away the sense of legitimacy has been shown to actually put those in power into a state of being hyper-critical of themselves.

Just like with holidays that people pour time & energy into, often without knowing what the ritual is, what the history, or anything else about it... My experience has been that when folks are introduced to the reality of what they're celebrating, it leads to big changes in how they interact with that day.

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valued-customer (67) · 6 years ago

It's great that we both see these matters as they are.

Regarding the deinstitutionalization of 'the masses' I am confident that is going to happen, and as it does, then the words of philosophers and researchers into power and politics are going to matter more, particularly as they can be provided by honest people, rather than would be overlords and their mouthpieces. What is making this happen more and more today - besides the harm being done people that drives them to desperation daily - is decentralizing the means of production. As salaries and wages shrink, and prices continue to rise, being able to manufacture your own goods without suffering the parasitization endemic to extant political edifices will become ever more essential. As the price of owning the means of production continue to decrease, folks will adopt them.

As they realize how much better off they are as a result, their friends and neighbors will find out, and, once development has produced means of 3D printing and etc., that are easy enough to use, the spread of decentralized production will go viral. At some point, even the densest person will grasp that they were being parasitised, and this will likely be accompanied by ever more desperate efforts to parasitise them by profiteers losing their power.

I reckon this is a more rational mechanism to inform people of their freedom from overlords than mere words.

Thanks!

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nutritree (1) · 6 years ago

Corporation nation explains this quite well.

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kennyskitchen (72) · 6 years ago

I'll check it out; thanks :-)

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freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

I think a point you may be missing is that nobody can force a contract on us AND it be enforceable in a legitimate court of laws.

I get that you want the specifics, and this post is the most concise recitation of those specifics I've seen, but the hillbilly in me says you can either contract with me legitimately, or you can use force.
The fact that the government only does things by force, or acquiescence to the inevitability of force, makes it illegitimate.

Combine that with 'well settled' SCOTUS rulings that the government has no duty to protect you, and there can be no citizens.
Citizenship being a duty of allegience in return for a duty to protect.

If you haven't listened to Eric Whoru's talkshoe, it goes into how the CONstitution has always been a farce, IF you just remember who u r.

I've shook his hand, in Arkansas, he was a very early patriot.
80 something, now.

I'm really just glad to see some new blood in the mix.
Thanks for the post, and everything else you do.

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kennyskitchen (72) · 6 years ago

I think a point you may be missing is that nobody can force a contract on us AND it be enforceable in a legitimate court of laws... [and most of the comment in varying degrees]

Yes yes! I sort of addressed that a bit in my conclusion, but I'm going to go flesh that concept out now. I'm going to add back in the video of my friend Jay as well, as he addressed that in his talk at Jackalope Freedom Festival back in 2016, which spurred me into the 3 months leading up to the original writing.

If you haven't listened to Eric Whoru's talkshoe

I haven't, but I'll add it to my list.

Thanks for dropping in, sharing knowledge, and your support :-) Glad to be co-existing with ya!

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freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

Marc is not an attorney.
He learned his method when the state used it to dismiss his lawsuit.

Him and Eric shared radio resources at one point, and there was a dust up between them.
Neither would discuss it with me, but I do know this is their history.
They say much the same things, but I never really grokked Eric until I read Marc's interpretation of the subject matter.
Now, I know what to do, just hoping I don't have to do it, again.

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freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

It appears the talkshoe is down.

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valued-customer (67) · 6 years ago (edited)

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a-non-e-moose (49) · 6 years ago

Is this 'natural law' the 'laws of nature', like gravity and such?

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valued-customer (67) · 6 years ago

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informationwar (62) · 6 years ago

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vibeof100monkeys (58) · 6 years ago

I have read a lot about this but to be honest have not had the balls to do anything about it. I understand the principle but to actually do it is complex and could go wrong but this is what we are supposed to feel. Man I would love to look into this more I just don't have the time or energy currently. Maybe when I have bought my own land an a living more freely 💯🐒

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kennyskitchen (72) · 6 years ago

Haha! Ya, it is a monolithic task to take on. Personally, I don't really think jumping through all their hoops is necessary. Knowing the truth of my own sovereignty, combined with a knowledge of their language and some basic tactics (in case I do have a run in with their privateers), has always been enough for me.

Land ownership is the one place where it does seem like some level of interaction is necessary. I'm looking at creating a land trust, and going through the process to get a land patent instead of the deed. The LP would of course be in the name of the trust itself.

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vibeof100monkeys (58) · 6 years ago

I agree totally! As I have spoken before currently we have to live in the common society. As much I would love to completely withdraw it's not practical I don't have the capital and they have may it purposefully difficulty to live outside there setup. As you say I know I my own sovereignty and in my mind I am free. I have had encounters with the fancy dress enforcers and knowing some of their language have avoided there requests.

Would love to hear more about the land, something to talk about on my podcast 👍🏽. I too want to buy some land so I can set up my project a holistic mental health centre. In the UK without being a part of the system this is impossible. So to me living as close to the edge as I can is the best option. As I bring those around me to this edge when the hundredth monkey wakes this is when we can all break the ties together 💯🐒

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cryptoindex (52) · 6 years ago

They say risk only comes from not knowing what you are doing.

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valued-customer (67) · 6 years ago

Given our finite intellectual capacity, and nescience concerning much, I'd say that pretty much makes risk unavoidable.

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thoughts-in-time (64) · 6 years ago

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kennyskitchen (72) · 6 years ago

I'll have to add this one to my playlist :-)

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drutter (69) · 6 years ago

I find some of this to be accurate, and a lot to be hyperbole and fearmongering. Leaps of logic and fallacies rule the day here. It's too bad, because some of the info is good, and it's an important topic indeed.

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kennyskitchen (72) · 6 years ago

I'm curious if you could give any examples of any of those things? Certainly I have no fear, and see my message as being one of empowerment, knowledge, and stepping away from the fear that almost every American lives in, with their hearts immediately racing when they see those red & blue lights.

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