So you do not vote?

crystalgeometry (56) · 7 years ago

Why would I give my consent to be ruled over by an authority that has no validity?

jesse2you (54) · 7 years ago

So you think you are above the law? or that by not voting you affect the outcome?
If you do not vote you do not give consent?
How is Trump not President? because you did not vote for him?
50% populace did not vote . Who is there President?
there is a big difference between not voting and and voting 3rd party.
I agree voting Rep. or Dem. is no change. But not voting is consent by silence!!!!
Namaste.

crystalgeometry (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

I do not believe any law other than natural law has validity. Laws cannot be broken. If they can be broken then they are not laws. You seem to be half way there when you say that Rep. or Dem. is no change, but you fail to follow the logic further. 3rd, 4th, 5th party, etc all will make no change. No change can come from a system that is bankrupt and is funded through theft and extortion.

Voting is consent. You seem to think that if I am not voting I am silent, but I assure you I am not remaining silent. I am just utilizing realistic means to affect change.

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jesse2you (54) · 7 years ago

Natural law ? That would be physics.
You state that no change can can come from a broken system,that is bankrupt and is funded through theft and extortion. yet facts are against that statement. they are constantly changing.
not voting is the equivalent of being a dead follower you are counted but make no impact . Just a mute statistic.
Imagine all the dead followers you have voting and commenting on your post. would that change anything?...
consider those dead followers as Dem., and Rep. the ones who vote are the ones who vote 3rd party...
The percentages seem to be about the same..lol.. 50% or better do not participate...
:-)
voting Rep., Dem. is consent to keep it the same ,Trying to vote for 3rd party is an attempt to change it.
I would like to see what would happen if 60% of populace voted for the same 3rd-5th party candidate.
Please understand, that I recognize the system is broke.
But as someone who works on thing and builds thing ,I understand that they do not fix,or build them self.
Talk without action is ?
I am not trying to belittle you or ignore you! your response is the equivalence to voting .. and debating. it has power,or meaning. helps to form consensus ... as opposed to being mute.
THANK YOU!!!
Namaste!

crystalgeometry (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

Blessings brother. I appreciate your alignment with heart and soul and your determination to make this world a better place.

Obviously things change constantly. That was never being debated. I am referring to real substantial change on a fundamental level.

You can't fix Statism by having better Owners. Statism is statism. There is no "good" Statism. The believe in a State or Government can never help us achieve true freedom. Voting for alternative rulers is still voting for rulers.

A statist is a man who believes that some men have the right to force, coerce, enslave, rob, and murder others. To be put into practice, this belief has to be implemented by the political doctrine that the government—the state—has the right to initiate the use of physical force against its citizens.

How do we fix this? Agorism. Countereconomics.

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jesse2you (54) · 7 years ago

Thank you!
I am not statist. But I recognize human nature,and understand what a power vacuum is. Weather you live in tribe or ?? you have hierarchy ,there is no escape from that.
From the parent trying to do right to religion and politics, people form systems,and try to control,influence.
How we fix it is my whole point!

Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit (He who is silent, when he ought to have spoken and was able to, is taken to agree)
— Latin proverb

I really do not think that we are that far apart,we both see a problem,and we are both wanting to fix it.
We were born without our consent,into a system we had no say in making. That does nothing to negate the fact that laws and systems apply to us. With or without our consent. we live in a Country were we the people are the final authority. We have Civil Rights and with that comes responsibilities,one of those is to vote.
Freedom is not free !
How do we get to Agorism,or Countereconomics without voting for it? We start locally,we plan,and we work together to solve the problems. We ruse to vote for those who have proven that they are part of the problem or who do nothing to support us.But I see no option but to be vocal and vote!
I refuse to vote Rep.,or Dem., But I do vote. Every chance I get!!! from city, county, state to national! That is how the system works!
Peace and love to you Brother. Thank you for your participation.
I hope you have a great day!

crystalgeometry (56) · 7 years ago

Seems the only thing we disagree on is the method of "voting". I vote with value, decisions, and actions instead of at a polling booth. Thanks for sharing the amazing ideas.

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amberyooper (69) · 7 years ago

To vote 3rd party is the best "no confidence" vote on the 2 big parties. Voting is the only voice that "we, the people" have in this government. It is the only time our opinion matters. The only leverage we have on any politician is our ability to cause them to lose an election. The majority of the population of this country don't seem to understand this, and, of course, there are a lot of people who like things the way they are and want more of the same.

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jesse2you (54) · 7 years ago

Exactly. Even voting for mickey mouse,is better than not voting.
It is sad that so many people do not vote,even in local elections.and even sadder that felons can not vote(even if they told me that I would still try and register,w/ all the dead vote ,who knows.)but they can hold public office. WTF !! and get voted in !!
"Thank you non voter's for the help!!! You are the majority and why it dosnt't change. ! "
That's what I believe to be the case.
Thank you! for the help!
Namaste!

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