So, since I got involved with bidbots I've had to also start talking a lot about curation. Curation is a hot topic item and it goes hand in hand with curation and delegation because all of these things impact the rewards that are paid out on a daily basis. There are people saying curation is broken, and it's tough to know how to answer that... but I want to share a little about how curation works especially in an account lifecycle.
Dividends
One of my favorite ways to view curation rewards is through the lens of dividends. If you own certain types of stock (or crypto) they will pay you dividends. This is a return on your investment paid by the company as an incentive to continue to hold that investment. Steem has this through inflation. Every year a little less than 10% of total steem in existence will be added to the Steem economy. The blockchain generates new coins through inflation, and then distributes those new coins from inflation into the rewards pool. When you get post rewards you remove tokens from the (virtual) rewards pool and add them to your wallet.
By owning steem you control a certain amount of where all the new steem will go. Essentially your ownership of the block allows you to determine where inflation heads. Another way to look at this is you're receiving dividends and you're able to apply them however you want. You can self vote, circle jerk, not use, give to a bid bot, curate heavily, delegate, and probably a few other things I haven't thought of. You're essentially controlling how you spend your dividends and how to use them.
"Curation is broken"
One of the concerns I see is that curation for minnows is broken. I'd like to share that it's currently working, but there isn't much incentive for minnows to curate beyond using their curation to make friends as opposed to make a living. The argument that thoughtful curation doesn't provide a lot of benefit is true (for minnows), but fails to take into account the fact that curation rewards are relative to how much stake you have.
Lifecyle
If you're here for fun then ignore everything I'm about to say and do things for fun. If you're here to make some rewards then let me share with you the most rewarding activities that you can do on the block.
Minnows (newer accounts)- Your best bet is to comment and socialize in offchain groups. If you post you'll make next to nothing unless you hit the lottery. You don't have enough followers most likely to see any returns. If you curate you have so little stake that it won't make much impact. It's like trying to live off of the dividends of 1 share of IBM. So, your best bet is to comment. Not many people will see your posts, but if you're making good comments on a post with lots of views people may see and read those. You'll make 10x what you could do other activities by commenting a lot, and the other main benefit is that you'll also start to collect followers.
Good followers are the most important thing you can have around here as that determines how much money your posts will make. The more eyes with more stake that see your post the more likely it is you'll be rewarded.
Dolphins 5k-50k SP - These folks need to spend the majority of their time authoring. You're at the point where you get more views on a post than you do on a comment buried in someone elses post. You're getting some serious followers and you're starting to earn fairly steady and potentially growing rewards on your posts. You should be authoring to keep getting the word out, and making sure that you're engaging with your audience to keep them coming back for more on your post. Minnows are investing their time to comment on you. You should be upvoting their comments and interacting with them if you'd like to preserve those interactions.
You still don't make that much curating here. You might have 10k steem, but again just like a stock you can't live off of the dividends of owning 500 shares of IBM (unless you're living off the grid in a camper shitting in the woods).
Whales 50kSP or more - Now your life starts to look different. You have 10 votes a day that have post rewards of $6 or more, but those are denominated in rewards bucks which are a mix of SBD and steem. With SBD so high the number that shows up on a post isn't really reflective of what you're going to earn. A better estimate is to take that number and multiply by 5. So a newly minted whale can hit a post with a $30 (USD) upvote 10 times a day. So, that's $300/day they can put on posts. If they are simply curating they could make $60USD/day which is $21,000 per year. This starts looking like some real money. because that is actually how much a mortgage might cost in a year on a $300k house or so.
If they self vote twice that's $108/day. That's now higher than the average family salary in the states or roughly near it. So, when you have some real stake in this place you can make some real money by curating. You also start getting followers just by having steem on the platform. You also start getting large votes from other whales because you have the ability to hit them back with a substantial vote. It's not quite circle jerking because it isn't quite planned, but many of the big votes come on the platform with a tip of the hat and a nod to a friend/fellow whale.
My point
The economics of curation don't favor minnows. And if you're here thinking you're going to do well simply by curating you're going to be sadly disappointed. That said, one of the things you can do as a minnow is to provide a curation service to whales. You can go through the 40k posts and find good ones, and make a page of that. @gmuxx has had some pretty incredible success doing that, and there are others as well. But you have to understand there is a difference in providing the service of finding good posts and actually curating them... you're a minnow.... you vote doesn't do shit, your curation rewards from your voting does even less, but that doesn't mean you have no role in helping to discover good content.
Anyway
Curation takes an assload of time. It's hard to find that time. I also have a ton of people in MSP that are extremely passionate about curating stuff. Currently we're using @minnowsupport to curate, but that drains from all the newest accounts on the platform where that 10-50 cent vote is a large part of their post rewards. So, I've started @msp-curation and given access to @isaria and @juliakponsford. I'll probably add a few others, but the intent is to stop curation from @minnowsupport once this account hit's 10k or more.
So, I recently delegated 2500SP (it was matched by @ausbitbank). I'm delegating another 2kSP today. We'll take curation off @minnowsupport hopefully before 2018 starts.
If you think that curation is important and don't always have time to do it please consider delegating to msp-curation. Here's a link to put 1k SP on the account: https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/delegateVestingShares?delegator=&delegatee=msp-curation&vesting_shares=2051057.924655%20VESTS.
Unlike a lot of other msp accounts this one has ZERO automatic voting and is entirely manually curated and it's specifically geared to be 100% human curated.
I am a minnow too but Ive found this social media platform better than facebook. Everybody has a chance and I am no expert at cryptocurrency but I am learning the fascinating world of crypto through articulation from awesome guys like you who have a lot of knowledge to share and willing to teach avid learners.
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Well, keep it. I started here brand new to crypto 18 months ago. It's hard, but people can do quite well in this space!
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Useful advice thank you ;)
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I appreciate that you are 100% human Curation !
Even though I am only 2 months on Steemit, I advise that everyone also try out the 3rd party Platforms like dsound , dtube, dmania, Lucksacks Poker (Steem Poker League) etc. These are other avenues to Socialize, author posts and ways to find talent and other hidden treasures to curate, In addition to the offchain groups you mention. However even as a Minnow it's important to create and try contests/challenges etc so authoring is not just important for Dolphins.
Great post !
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yep. this place is as much about your content as your network.
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Many thanks to you @steveconnor for this useful advice! I'll check out those Platforms soon! :) All the best! Klaudia
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Another trail-blazing move by agg to help minnows.
Awesome!
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The money is nice, but overall, what I enjoy about steemit is the people! This platform encourages intelligent thought. I read so many well informed and thought provoking stuff on here that it's like a breath of fresh air compared to other social media. Plus, no ads! God I love that. 😃
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It's a pretty cool place!
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Well i agreed with each and everything that you said about Curation or minnows and also about whales Because on steemit most of the members are only Supporting to the big players or whales for getting some upvotes on their Comments but they just ignored other fellow steemers and that thing is really killing this awesome platform Because when we write an article and put our so much time in collecting information and put them in a understandable way but after posting no one actually comment or appreciate our work because they know that the author of that post don't have enough steempower to fulfill their rewards desires,so basically if no one give a upvote on the comments then only we get to know who actually like our work and want to support us.
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And this is what is broken about curation. By making it about rewards, money, rather than content. Creators aren't curated - their wallets are.
Thanks!
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thanks for sharing..i wait for your blog...carry on your activity...my friend@aggroed
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Thanks for sharing @aggroed already resteemed.
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we as little fish always need the help of whales, we also try to give good writing, thanks to the knowledge you have shared.
very useful for us
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I'm still a minnow and my job is to comment as of now.
Hopefully someday I'll become a whale.
#lifeofaminnow
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Since I am a minnow I love how @minnowsupport and @banjo are helping me. I thank you for sharing them cause they are really helping to newbies like me. And I absolutely agree with you that I MUST provide a curation service to whales, I will definitely try that and thank you so much for that awesome advice @aggroed ! As always you're the best. I hope to catch you on MSP.
Resteemed!
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What can you catch but not throw?
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You shared valuable information.So,I understood from this post iam minnow and I have to do comments on dolphins and whales posts.
Thank you for sharing valuable information.
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Really good job man carry on
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One of the major things to learn here and I have read many posts, not too many go into reasoning so thanks for the explicit detail @aggroed much appreciated.
SP 1k still a bit out of my league.... Will have to keep this is mind.
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Yeah, that's not really a call to minnows... but glad it's helping you!
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I saved the link, determined to get there soon and support folk that are putting in real effort.
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I am doing better with my commenting as opposed to my blogging. Of course it is easier to respond than to compose a thoughtful post. Didn’t come here to get rich but I am doing way better than I thought with the rewards and taking SBD to internal maket. I have some down time next week so I’ll be posting my own stuff a little more.
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Yeah, easing into it is probably the right thing. It's an activity spectrum and as your account grows you slide your way down it.
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Would you support @blocktrade's suggestion of a return to 50/50 author/curators payout?
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I don't think it actually solves the problem for minnows. I'm not sure it actually changes the payout scheme for minnows. I mostly want a front facing option for an author so they can set what their curation payout is on every post. Let the market decide.
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I'm never going to disagree with that sentiment.
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I totally agree with you in the aspect of gettin' out there and makin' sensible, worth while comment for this is really all I've done since joining the steemit community aside from becoming a member in that aspect and meeting lots of good folks. If you look at my account it's small yes but far better than it was not long ago. My blogs page is few and far between with little original posts and just as many re-steems. Not much at all there right? My earnings are from footwork in the meeting /commenting department alone for the most part and it does work. One needs to realize they add something by commenting and for me it's loads of fun just surfing around and doing so. I have reached a point with my number of followers however that I feel I should try postin' and just see how it goes? I may start doing this is the near future. More over though time, patience and persistence seems to be key. This backed up my strategy and personal steem journey to a T. Made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I'm somewhat on the right track. Much appreciated.
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Nice work!!! I didn't do that when I first got here. I wish I had!
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Thank you, thank you very much (in my best Elvis voice................ :)
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Looks amazing thank you for sharing
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If I'm understanding this correctly it will work similarly to the way @ocd & @curie works. Manual content curators utlisising @msp-curation's voting power to upvote quality content. If I'm right it will be fantastic to have another voter like that around :)
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Roughly. It's inspired by them.
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I, personally, would love to see more projects similar to these. So currently there are two curators, looking at the post (I could be wrong) so will you be looking at adding more curators to increase the scope? I'm just curious.
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I’m a minnow, but happily authoring and commenting. I’ve found a niche tag to operate in (#electronicmusic is nice and empty - and it’s what I’m about) and I’m having a good old time writing away a few retrospectives and other things.
But I’m also looking out for good follows via @welcoming and generally chatting away. A lot inside #gaming too, bit of a side passion. It’s working out for me!
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good advise!
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The substance of your points suck b/c they're hard truths, but it's affirming to read for this minnow here because I was starting to intuit the correlation between commenting and upticks in followers as well as the SBD+SP to be made doing so as I grow my network here. I'm sitting on several drafts of posts in Scrivener—I build the prose there and then paste the Markdown into Steemit to finish up the writing (as a side note I am now obsessed with reading up on other Steemians' workflows—), and I decided to dedicate today and probably tomorrow to socializing. I want to post so badly, but I don't see much of a point in putting stuff out there into the ether if it's not sparking the kind of conversations I want to see "adding value to the blockchain."
My question, though: I've done this before informally, and now I'm trying to actually track where I'm commenting and upvoting; I truly worry about appearing spammy when doing it, though. I'm an academic, so writing several ¶s in a comment is no issue for me b/c I can blab all day: I actually worry about being annoying af commenting all over the place, even if I'm targetting users with whom I think I share an affinity (topical, political, sense of humor, whatever). Any tips on best practices to avoid this issue, or getting over this neurosis (lol)? That's a general question. More particularly, because I enjoy substantive back and forths—and ideally, this would be happening more on my actual posts—how can I go about bringing people over to my page for conversation and debate without just being a spamming minnow?
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Well, it's the difference between nodding and saying uh-huh throughout an entire conversation or reading what they have and making a comment about what resonates. Minnows are generally happy to even get a response let alone a thoguhtful one. I personally prefer memes and gifs. it's fast to post, quick to think of one to do, and typically gets rewarded well.
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That’s actually great to know. I’ve been wary of gifs, but if you’ve got my phone # you basically only get gifs in response to texts. Great, and thanks.
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I like the breakdown. When I first started--posting was worth next to nothing. Now that I've built up my SP, my biggest rewards come from authoring. Nice informative article @aggroed
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thanks for the confirmation. I hope it helps.
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hello sir i am new user
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Thank you for your efforts @aggroed.
It is wonderful to see people continually trying to improve this site. While I will not say anything is broken, there are some things that require fine tuning.
I am excited to see people such as yourself take such an active role in trying to improve things.
I am doing all I can too.
By the way, I loved the post you had about the SBD and to do nothing....that was very insightful.
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You are so right. I'll shift my focus from writing to commenting...at least until later. Thanks again for MSP and all your hard work @aggroed
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Woot! Let me know of your success. Compare growth before and after in a post and I'll resteem if you DM me in Discord.
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Right on. That's a great post idea. takes out notebook
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I think in the world of STEEM based social network, bidbots are inevitable. Especially when there are so many with expertise in high speed trading shifting to blockchains, STEEM will be targetted more because of the speed aspects of it. Good thoughts @aggroed
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Wow, thanks for the awesome information. I have been focusing more on my own articles than finding other good ones to comment on lately. And i feel like i havent been getting as many new followers lately, so maybe more time commenting will be good for me at this point :) its always nice to hear from someone who has already been down this road. Thank you, I apprecite it.
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Yeah, I slogged it out on the platform for 8 months before I really got anywhere. I figured this out, and told a friend who shared that's what they'd been doing and got further along in 2 weeks than I did in about 6-7 months.
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Good to know! I guess i know what im going to be focusing more on in the next few months. Lol. Better late than never i always say.
I really like ur name fyi... very clever ;)
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Nice post @aggroed
this information is very useful, you are a very good person
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Thanks for the help, this was really easy to understand.
Now I have hope that if I can just make it to the dolphin level, I can live off of steem (since my dream is to live in an off-grid camper and shit in the woods)
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Many blessings of peace, abundance, liberty, and woods shitting to you friend.
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Same to you, brother... Except for the defecation in the woods part!
If you've never tried it, you should though. Sun shining down, birds chirping out a merry little tune.
It will be your best BM EVER!
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Wow! Thank you @aggroed for useful and honest post. Well, I've just started here on Steemit, I see the success of the persistent users who got here like a year or something ago, and I'm doing what I can to do my best here. This takes a lot of work and persistence, but I'm very hopeful. I appreciate your passion for helping other users, you're doing a great job for all of us! Thank you! Klaudia :)
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That's a great overview, i alsway tell new users to focus on commenting, it was the best advice I got when I was starting out, thank for spreading the wordz
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Thank you for sharing this info. It has been extremely helpful and beneficial to me. I'm looking forward to future posts.
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This is truly enlightening!
As a minnow myself, i really couldn't understand curation at its fullest. I am keeping this post on my list for future references. This platform is such a rich ecosystem. So much to learn and do here!
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This post has received a 16.93 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @aggroed.
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it is perfect contrubition
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This post has received a 13.97 % upvote from @buildawhale thanks to: @aggroed. Send at least 1 SBD to @buildawhale with a post link in the memo field for a portion of the next vote.
To support our daily curation initiative, please vote on my owner, @themarkymark, as a Steem Witness
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This post has received gratitude of 10.24 % from @appreciator thanks to: @aggroed.
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I am still a minnow, but working on becoming a whale. Yes I am a minnow with a Whale mentality. I will get there slowly but surely. And 100% agree with everything you have said. I frequently tell people "People come for the rewards but stay for the community and after a while the rewards they came for start to slowly roll in."
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everyone wants a free lambo on day one. This place takes time and a shit ton of work.
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Thankfully I knew better and never expected that. I have gotten more than I expected though and the friendships and community has been more of a reward than I would know when I first signed up.
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