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in life •  8 years ago 

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I'm really sad about this. Many of you guys know that I have a dropshipping store...
Well, Due to the way the platform is running, I am shutting it down for a while.

So, My online store is on a website called Listia A while back I wrote about Listia being similar to Steemit in some ways. Because here on Steemit we use Steem. And Listia uses a currency called Credits.

Because Listia uses a credit currency, I was able to make serious money with my dropshipping store.

How was I able to get such an advantage?
If you browse the site, You'll notice that there is a lot of ... Junk.
Listia has always been a great way to declutter everything around your house.
You can list almost anything you want, and it will sell for sure!
Because there isn't much to choose from.
Doing the math, I saw that there were only around 100,000 things listed!
Compare that to Amazon at 480 million products.
And Ebay 112 Million
(Taken off the internet, may not be 100% Accurate)

So it wasn't hard for me to dominate!

Where I got my inventory!

At first, I was using Amazon as my drop shipper. But I later found out; It's against their Prime TOS. And I wouldn't want Amazon to be mad at me. So I stopped using Amazon. And Switched to Ebay!
This worked out better in the long run Because I can get cash back through Ebates, Use Ebay bucks AND Get cashback through my credit card. Cashback x3! Plus profit from Listia! Hellz yes!

I also had an advantage, Because there are a lot of Chinese sellers on Listia, Selling weird unknown items. Which combine that with the junk. And A lot of people charging USD for shipping (Frowned upon on listings).
I was able to List, Your everyday items. That Americans love. As a result, I got lots of sales. And All I had to do was copy and paste shipping information.

Their new feature, Which Ultimately is closing my store.

There is a problem with credits. I don't want to buy a lot of the stuff listed on Listia. So I was incredibly happy when they came out with the ability to sell credits.

At first, they made it like the steemit market. Or any market for that matter. Dealing with unique currencies.
Typically the person with the best price sells first.

They also only opened the program to specific people. Making it even better for me as a seller. When I got into the program.

But a problem arises.

Sellers were constantly "undercutting" each other to have their credits sold first.
So Listia locked in the number at 27,500 credits per dollar. So we were forced to "wait in line." TO have our credits sold.
That was okay. But gradually the "estimated Sale time" Kept rising.... 14 days, 30 days... 45 days.
I was okay with this. Sure I'd have to wait 45 days to get paid, But with the money, I was making from my other sources I could keep my credit card in good shape. While I wait for the money to come in.
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Then they made a new change...
I guess a lot of people were complaining about the time frame it took for them to make money... So they enabled Credit sales per week rule.
They based on how many sales you get. With a maximum of 5 Million credits per week.
They estimated that everyone would get paid their limit per week. But to be fair, we had to wait for all the other sales to go through. Which has taken the 45 days! (The old sales still aren't completely through yet.)

The news was bad for me. Because as my credits have piled up in the last couple months. I haven't been able to sell any of them for USD.

For those familiar with dropshipping, You usually charge the cost of the items on a credit card; Then you pay back the credit card and pocket the profits.

This was working well for me Until this happened....
We are waiting an "Estimated Time of 12 days." before I can start receiving my 5 Million credits per week...

How much are 5 million credits per week?
27,500 credits per dollar. So roughly: 145.00 (After Fees)

So basically, if it works out like predicted. I'll be paid 145.00 per week.
Thats it....

If I get NO more sales, They'll be paying me 145.00 per week for the next 77 weeks... 17 Months....
I won't be fully paid off until October of next year.

Of course. They told us this new rule will be temporary until they come up with a better way of doing it.
Their goals....

  • Keep the amount of time it takes to pay people off shorter.
  • To keep the rate of credits per dollar as low as they can.

Don't get the wrong Idea. I love Listia. And they have always paid me in the end. My parents have been freaking out thinking I'm involved in some scam LOL.
But it's like Steemit; It's not perfect. But they are doing their best to fix and make the platform better. Sometimes it takes time.
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But for now

I have to worry about my self. I'm bummed because I love that I can offer great products to my fantastic customers. But today I am turning "off" The relisting on most of my listings. I'm going to keep some coloring books and some of my Tshirts up. But to save me from having to go back to a job and paying a ton in credit card interest. I'm going to focus on my other businesses that I know will pay more frequently. My goal is to pay back my debt without the Listia money; then when that comes in, I can invest it or use it for my savings. Which will later build my store again?

I think what I learned from this, Is I should have bigger savings to cover the cost of running my dropshipping store, When problems arise like this, I can at least avoid debt. Then wait for the money to come in.

What would you do in this situation?

Have you ever been in a situation like this before?


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These are the news that I do not like to read, although I must admit that things happen for some reason, I regret to know that you have to close your business, but when things do not work, you have to stop them and start again, from adversities, yes Is attentive sulen arise good business.
I just have to say dear friend @kaylinart do not despair, keep a cool head, have faith that something new and better will come

Thank you so much! I think Steemit may be the answer to my problem hehe :)

I can relate about a company changing its model braking your business. I was involved with micro-lending in Prosper back in 2007 when I discovered the site in an article I read online. At that point in time, lenders would bid in reverse auction style (ie once the listing was fully funded, lenders would bid lower interest rates over the life of the loan, ensuring a win-win for lender and borrower). It was awesome and I was making a killing.

Once the SEC announced they had jurisdiction and oversight over Prosper's activities, they effectively shut down Prosper until they paid millions in fines and spent millions to register in all 50 states. I was effectively shut out of the business I had been building through Prosper. Prosper got through it all, kept their model intact and grew despite Lending Club taking market share. Eventually they managed to get registered and licensed in Florida, and I started to spin up my business again.

In the 2008 downturn, in desperation to fill a hole in their balance sheets, banks raised credit card interest rates massively across all debtors, regardless of creditworthiness. Micro-lenders like me stepped in and provided much, much more reasonable terms and my business boomed. My portfolio of loans grew fivefold and I was averaging a 15 percent return.

Then temptation got the better of Prosper. They decided to create a secondary market to securitize (read bundle) loans to sell, then ended the reverse auction model to bid on loans. Instead they would set rates internally and lenders could bid on those loans. They also removed critical profile information to assess the loans and brought in institutional investors and banks. Almost overnight it destroyed their marketplace because there was no difference borrowing from Prosper or from one of the banks.

In the end, I wound up closing up shop. There is a silver lining to the story. Had that not happened, I don't think I would have ever learned about or purchased my first Bitcoin and jumped into the world of crypto.

One thing I would suggest to you is do not focus on all the doors which are closed. Focus on finding the ones which are open. Often times life has to slam a door shut in your face to help shift your focus to the doors which are open. It's happened to me often enough.

Wow ! This comment is amazing! You should write more about P2P on your blog :) I actually invest in Lending club right now. I don't know as much as you do. But It's nice to get some returns on my money that would otherwise be sitting! But I've also noticed that the amount I get isn't that big, Unless I get incredibly risky loans, Which I tend to avoid.
I wasn't around for the bidding you are talking about. But I actually heard of it, And it sounds pretty amazing. Maybe the market will cause it to change again? Who knows. I love the ending, where you say that I shouldn't focus on the doors that are closed.

While I was really disappointed at first about the whole money thing, I actually realized that there is a lot of good in it too. While I get to take a "break" from one of my more time consuming weekly tasks. I still get money tricking in. I've actually been wanting to focus on my other 2 smaller businesses anyways. So this works out! By the time I'm making good money with my other 2 businesses. I might be able to go back on that site and start making a killing again. With my other 2 businesses making good money, I can afford to hire people to manage a lot of it. So in the end, This might work out really well!

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@kaylinart I had the most rewarding time investing when I was deeply involved in P2P lending through prosper. I helped form a a pod of Dolphin lenders which would all assess and fund loans together. We focused on small businesses and debt consolidation. The most satisfying part of it was that WE the P2P lenders were providing capital to the mom and pop small businesses the banks were refusing. I felt like I was making a real change while making some good returns. In total, I think I had a grand total of $500 of loans go bad on a portfolio of easily close to 60 times that.

In the world of today, I stay away from P2P lending because the economic climate (in my perspective) so closely mirrors both 1929 and 2007. I don't think one can effectively manage risk in the current economic environment enough to safely profit from P2P lending. Once the coming meltdown happens and the dust settles again, I will most likely move back into the space because the need for capital to rebuild business will have to come from non-conventional sources once again. Until that time, I think crypto will provide the only real safe haven for protecting net worth.

My $0.02 anyways.

I will need to look more into this, And see if it's a place I should be putting my investments. Thank you so much for your insight on this. You definitely know what you are doing more than I do

Well the silver lining is you have $145 a week coming in for the next 77 weeks without having to do any further work, not something everyone can say :-)

Also, I'm sure you will lose some profit but you could always use your credits to purchase physical items on Listia that you know you can sell on Ebay for X amount. You may be give up some profit to get some of the money now instead of waiting the whole time.

True! I'm excited about that silver lining! Its going to make building my other 2 businesses less stressful. This partially makes me excited about the change.

Wow good idea! I should do that! Maybe I can see if sellers are selling some new electronics that add up to about the same pricing I would charge my customers LOl

A lesson that decentralization of these type of sites will be the future so nastiness like them locking in a rate on their currency won't occur

Agree! If they used a currency that more websites would also use. I would have more options on what I could do with my "money".

I've been pondering whether I should deluge https://www.peerhub.com/ with my stuff for sale.

You should try it, I have some stuff listed on there. But no sales yet! I think it will take some time, And people will need to start using it, But I could see it pick up.

Maybe I should. After all, more people participating means more opportunities. I may start some listings this weekend.

@kaylinart, why don't you try to sell on steemit? Using steemshop tag. :)

I should :) LOL with my luck I would power up everything! Then I would still be in the same situation XD hhahaha.

First of all congrats on your previous success with the site. Keep an eye on it and hopefully it makes changes that work for you in the future. And until then you got us and steemit.

Thank you! Hehe. Steemit helps my stress level a lot. I have stuck around for the community, but also knowing that I do have a lot of steem in my account, That if something so serve happened that I couldn't survive. I could at least use some of my steem to slide by. Which makes me feel so much better.

Congratulations @kaylinart!
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Thank you!!

A clear example of how price controls are untenable...

Could you get around the withdrawal limit by transferring credits to other users? (Don't announce that in public. They might clamp down on 'money laundering' when they notice the limit is being evaded.)

No sadly!
You can't transfer, Your not allowed. The only thing that would allow me to get money sooner, Is by buying high value items from other sellers to resell . BUt I don't have time for that kind of work right now. So I might wait it out. I have a Tshirt business that will start bringing in money soon. I'll live off that XD

You such a thug:

LOL!

http://Peerhub.com is out there, too.

It looks bad to me if the platform takes in fiat for credits to buy your stuff and then slowplays paying you.
If their model was sustainable the payouts should be instant, imo.
They would get their cut and be happy.

True! This is something they newly introduced. So they aren't good at it.. Yet. Who knows, maybe they'll figure something better out.

Thank you for sharing your experience!

No problem :)

What is drop shipping I am a college graduate working full time, but I always wanted to build my own business but never had enough resources to start or you can say I was too lazy but now I feel like crypto can really help me out get out of this blackhole