When you call me for name calling, and answer to little of what I've said, it was a little out of context, no? It was followed by my, what I feel is, very sound and very obvious reasoning, as follows..........."seriously, I don't mean it as an insult, for goodness sakes look at what you're going/giving into here by excusing the post that @seanking wrote. It is in itself just excusing and normalising, and not just accepting, but promoting the macho bullshit that's been a long hard fought battle for by many people, and one that still needs pushing a good bit further to be anywhere near to being tamed, never mind overturned."

I called you a sheep simply because you were not going on your own thoughts, but trying to appease Sean's. Why would you do that? You won't be able to answer that truthfully here I feel. You don't seem the type to do well and thrive in the arena Sean would prescribe and clearly subscribes to, in order to wave his massive dick (otherwise read as power) at us all. Did you not get a strong hint of projection on Sean's behalf their? No, really. Again why? ..... again I don't think you can answer that truthfully here.

You say that, but the discussion above shows the viewers nothing of this. Excusing a misogynystic rant such as this is not what I would call close to civil discourse. There is nothing wrong with emotions, though I think Sean would refute that, despite the fact that he's led like a bull with a ring in it's nose, by, what I can only imagine to be, some pretty messed up and misplaced emotions'

There is nothing wrong with anger, it's a very much needed card in the cards of emotions, there is only a problem with how we act and deal with our anger. If we, the minions, had never got angry about the status quo, please tell me, where do you think we'd be now @lukestokes?

Your reasoning above is pathetic, I don't mean to say you're pathetic I don't know you or sean apart from what I've read in this post in a community that I belong to, and one that despite only being a part of it for a little over 4 weeks I seem to feel I actually care for it a lot more than some of the long established, who clearly use it as a milking machine, as you demonstrated perfectly with paying yourself a what was it $55-60 just for coming here and putting a comment down that 'you'd already both discussed I imagine with the same text. It's within the rules of course, but by coming and creaming money off this sorry excuse for a debate is, I think dispicable. In fact if I were you I'd seriously suggest donating it to a group that does good honest work across the board and particularly in this field..

I notice you changing your tune down the page at least, there is hope for you, I hope, now you've actually realised that the problem he and others are discussing, is indeed him and his misogynystic views.