There is something that I have been thinking a lot about recently and it has to do with life itself. If you think about life in terms of probabilities, there are literally an infinite number of ways it can happen from the moment you are born.
In fact, even the event of your birth itself (time, place, family to which you are born, etc.) is one amongst an infinite number of ways the event could have happened and your further life was influenced by it greatly.
We like to believe that we have free will and we can take our life in the direction we want making conscious decisions at every point along the way. There is however a popular concept of destiny or fate which says that everything is pre-determined.
So, I have been doing a lot of thinking regarding this. Are our lives ruled by our own free will or do we all come with our own destinies? Or is it both? Is that even possible?
Are We In Control?
We humans like to believe that we have control over every little decision we take and that our lives are determined by the effects of those decisions, in a cause and effect relationship. Many people believe that fate has nothing to do with it. It’s all our actions.
But how do we know that we indeed have free will? If our whole lives were in fact pre-determined, our actions and the freedom over them could appear to us as free will while in reality, it would only be an illusion.
Also, let’s say time travel were ever to be invented, and we could freely go to the future and the past. That would raise questions about free will too. I mean, the very presence of a future (that you can go to and come back) would mean that things are already pre-destined, right?
What I think personally, is that we are actually in control and have total free will. At any given time we have an infinite number of ways to head into, and through conscious decision making, we are shaping our future.
Is Everything Pre-Determined?
Now, for this principle to be true, there has to be a higher entity in some form or manner. Generally it’s believed to be god who has a plan for each of us down here on the planet.
It would explain why you were born in the family you were and why you met the love of your life when you did, and the way you did. Coincidence has no place in such a belief system.
In my mind, there is an obvious question that arises and that is the ‘why’ of it. Why would a higher entity make plans for 7.5 billion people and leave us all to play out their drama? Wouldn’t this make life meaningless as there is literally nothing we can do to escape the ‘roles’ and the ‘futures’ we have been assigned to?
People who do not believe in fate often say that, fate can simply be explained by ‘chance’. So, the people that you meet, the things that happen to you, and everything else, was just chance. One event out of an infinite number of possibilities.
Could It Be Both?
The idea that both these principles could be at work might sound counter-intuitive but could it be that we have free will under a much larger framework of destiny?
Let’s say some of the more profound events of your life were destined to happen and the ways you get there would be dependent on your free will. One could argue that it still isn’t true free will as no matter what you do, you would have to go through the set milestones of your life.
As you can see, thinking about all this can be too complicated and the most unfortunate thing is that, we just can’t be sure whether it’s one or the other. Well, who knows maybe one day.
What do you guys think? Is our life ruled by fate or do we have absolute free will? Do tell in the comments section down below!
You know i watched Harry potter in which he asks the dumledore, why he and Voldermort had different stories regardless of same powers, life, and even wands..
Dumbledore gave a very Simple but deep answer -
Your Choices..!
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Maybe it's like the "Westworld" TV series. But they of course, did not have 8 billion people to take care of
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haha Yeah, but it can indeed be a "westworld" type thing with our world too.
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Before i comment any further,i have to say that this is the best post of my evening.Really love it.
Now,as a religionist and a christian precisely,i would like to relate this discussion to that aspect.
Yes,i believe that fate or destiny as i like to regard it, and freewill all come into play in our lives.God,as the supreme being,destined each human being He created for a purpose but still giving us the opportunity or priviledge to choose which is definitely freewill.
Yes,this is really complicated as you said but i'm certain The Bible has all the answers which you seek.
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Thanks for the kind words and I respect your opinion on the matter. But could you tell me, if god has a purpose for everyone then how does our free will even matter? Just want to know your opinion on this.
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I would imagine it depends on opinion. What defines something that "matters" versus something that doesn't? This is the role of religion, regardless of whether you believe that a "true religion" exists or religion is invented. That's why (in my opinion) being an atheist tends to lead one towards a nihilist philosophy, that nothing really does matter, although one could make the argument that advancing the human race is a sufficient cause to justify any action
But I digress. I think a belief system like that of @stephenpaul, which is really similar to my own, would argue that the purpose of free will is to provide the opportunity to express loyalty or love to God, or indirectly, through showing love to others. While the ultimate destination remains, the road is yours to find.
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Wonderful discussion...based on my years on earth...I've come to believe that some force is in play that creates certain situations that to me...can't just be random chance...how we react to the things that "happen"....mold us daily...I feel that if I am working "with the force"....somehow it flows easier or gets accepted whether I like it or not...
Then again...with all the discoveries in the quantum physics realm...perhaps we are more connected from a scientific standpoint than we realize which is why these events happen...
All for future generations to discover...
Meanwhile...I'll try and let you know if I get to the other side...
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Yeah, I believe that further discoveries in the quantum physics realm will help us understand more about the nature of our reality and maybe then we will finally know.
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So I have woken up this morning...I "think" I have an almost infinite number of things I could "choose" to think about or actions I could take...so I am choosing to lie in bed and give some more thought to this post...got up and made a coffee to drink while lying in bed...this is something I never do....was it some predetermined fate that I would do this?
Does it matter? Since I "think" it is my choice....does that not make it so? Is not our fate simply that we exist as human beings having evolved to a conscious state to which we are fully aware of all our thoughts, emotions and actions?
And if while reading this post....I suddenly become gripped with depression over the thought that nothing I do is my choice anyway...it's all predetermined....so I might as well stay in bed....under the covers and die a withered death....would it matter?
Ironically....whether it's my choice or my fate....I won't allow myself that option....because my thoughts and emotions tell me it does matter....so I won't let myself simply waste away....that seems to be a choice I get to make....
On the other side of the coin....if my genetic makeup or a non treatable chemical imbalance suddenly thrust me into a state of depression over which I had no control....leading to a death not of my choosing.....is that not fate?
Now this sentence was not the first one I typed....and while I attempted to back delete that sentence....I hit a wrong button and got a weird message about needing to download program with other languages to continue....that wasn't my choice....It was my fate or consequence of an action I took even though unaware I took it....so it appears to me that fate would be all the actions that occur around me over which I have no control....how I react to them....feels like my choice.
Finally....if it is all pre determined I only perceive two possibilities....some force exists that is running the show....or we are just mathematical algorithmic blocks on the universal blockchain waiting for the all powerful miner to confirm our existence....
Regardless....whether it's destiny or free will....I need to feed my growling stomach.
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Always a vexing question, dependent upon ones spiritual beliefs. From my perspective, there is no preordained destiny--only choice, chaos and randomness. Great topic!
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Yes, I tend to believe the same. :)
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Amazing post.I'm new on steemit I'm following you please you follow me.I hope you follow me.Have a great Success.Thanks
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Please don't do this type of thing. It will only make people NOT want to follow you.
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Fate and destiny are two things that are almost the same, but different purposes and purposes. If we talk about these two things, then we can equate perception, we must be in one religion @sauravrungta, because different religions are different from the point of view of both things. According to our religion of Islam, taqdir has been determined from birth, while the fate is also already determined, only we are required for endeavor (effort). Different points of view in each Religion I think the absolute right of each Religion.
Regards
@safwaninisam
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I think they are the same. Just different words.
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I firmly agree with the concept that it is both. If a higher power is accepted as the designer of destiny, then it makes complete sense that small, individual actions would be left up to the one makings them, insofar as it aligns with the overall destiny.
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Yes, it could be both. But in this scenario, does it matter if we have free will if ultimately our fates are sealed?
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Very interesting question, and one which I myself have wrestled with for a long time. As a Christian, my personally philosophy by necessity has to include God as an actor somewhere in this cosmic drama, but I don't think I commit fully to either predestination or the "clockmaker" argument.
It seems illogical that a divine power would "plan out" such widespread suffering and apparent chaos on an individual scale, so I personally believe that it follows that humans have free will to cause these problems themselves. However, I think that there does exist a "divine limit" on the amount of our free will, since there is still an ultimate plan for humanity in the long term that no human can prevent or avoid by their own free will.
Anyway, great post and thank you for sharing your thoughts!
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Progress in life is about working on the part you have power to influence, and to live with peace with the fact that every moment everything can change by powers of nature - but at least you doing your best
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Those are some wise words :)
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If i comment on this post
Then is it due to my free will to comment
or
was i destined to comment on this post
I guess consciousness/ awareness comes to play part in it. Whether to get along what we are destined for it or at least die trying to make better of it. Maybe we can break out from the matrix :)
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Yes, it is often said that consciousness has a huge part to play in our reality, whether it be free will or destiny.
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Maybe it's like the "Westworld" TV series. But they of course, did not have 7.5 billion people to take care of
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Yes, our planet can indeed be a "westworld" type world without us being aware of it. I have actually written about this before too that life on Earth could be an alien experiment and we may just be biological robots.
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Kind of messes my up mind the more I think of the possibilities of that being true :)
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haha, yeah!! If that were true, our lives would be essentially meaningless. Maybe one day we will find out. Look for the maze ;)
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Haha yes. But I am scared to look for the maze. Specially not when it can be inside someone's scalp :P
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Oh yeah that can be quite freaky! On a different note, Black Mirror should be out soon.
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Yes, I looked it up but could not find the release date yet on it.
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LOL xD
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It could also be that we are just part of a highly, highly, complex equation, in which each human life and the factors surrounding it is a variable. The outcomes we see in daily life based on our experiences sometimes seem fantastic and unpredictable because of our inability to process so much information and come up with an outcome. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if supercomputers of the future, given the right data (the digital signatures we leave on the Internet for example) start accurately predicting some of our decisions before we arrive at them ourselves.
Would that then be called destiny? Or just a foregone solution to an equation our feeble human brains are not equipped to comprehend yet?
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The equation that you speak of is just another way of saying that our reality is just a play of chance and all the events are random. ( I think) But you make an interesting point that supercomputers of tomorrow could predict our moves even before we make them. AI is already doing that to a certain, very limited, extent.
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This concept is definitely an aspect of life I find myself pondering frequently. Am I really doing anything here? Or is shit just all pre-planned, regardless of what I THINK I may be doing. I think the idea you suggested (free will under a larger framework) makes the most sense to me. I think of it like a computer...there is specific structure to that program (the hardware) but infinite amounts of programs you could run (software). Maybe our lives are a reflection of that...who knows!
Thanks for the great article @sauravrungta! Would love to hear your thoughts about my latest video: How To RAPIDLY Control Your Emotional State [Part 1]
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The computer analogy is really interesting and something to ponder upon for sure.
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Well destiny is not a whip in hands of higher authority, such a notion is shrouded in our religious adherence. Destiny is way more deep concept, a keyword we often use when we don't have answer to our questions or an answer to what happened around.
@sauravrungta the word absolute is a heavyweight but there is nothing absolute in this world everything is substantive and relative. Free will is what guides our path but what we fail to acknowledge is that we have negative as well as positive will. Our senses have both the perception and when our positive will bare fruit we believe in ourselves but when negative will bare fruit, destiny is a psychological explanation. When we don't have answers it easier to find an answer in something cosmological.
Destiny is pre-determined but not by a higher authority by our own perceptions and will. The negative will is rooted in one being unable to control ones senses.
Destiny is sumtotal of ones negative and positive will.
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Thanks for your views on this. It was really helpful. From what you said, I get a feeling that you know about the "Law of Attraction" and that we create our own reality by the way we think be it positive or negative.
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Truly fantastic article, I enjoyed your ideas/thoughts/perspective and thought I would share mine. About 15 months ago, out of the blue, the spirits made themselves known to me! Bonkers but true. Since this time I have learnt an awful lot. Prior to this epiphany I called myself agnostic; nowadays I remain unreligious but call myself spiritual. This is what I have been shown - There is a hierachy in the spiritual realm. There is light and dark. Reincarnation is real! There is an 'infinite creator/energy/god'. Each of us is here to learn lessons and work towards enlightenment, ( to what end I still need to discover :)). Until we reach this stage we are encouraged to reincarnate. Before reincarnation a council meets with the soul/spirit and a schematic plan outlining learning opportunities is outlined. There is a divine plan BUT as you identify we each have freewill. When reincarnated we forget our existence in spirit and all previous lives allowing us a fresh start to be able to grow and progress on our path to enlightenment. We all have the capacity to be psychic and each of us has intuition; things that we call coincidence or bizarre or synchronicity. This is spirit communicating with us. If we go off piste in life spirit will intervene either with a gentle nudge or even by unraveling a person's life entirely. Some of us will succeed in learning our lessons in a said life others will not. At the end there is no judgement just schooling. So, for what it is worth that is my truth :) Meanwhile I am new here, an artist/writer/lightworker keen to hook up with interesting folks. I have upvoted and followed and invite you to pass by 'chez moi'. Wishing you well xox
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This is a really interesting post - prompted me to make my first comment on Steemit, I just joined. What about the idea that the way we act is determined not by an external force, like God, but ourselves. That is, a combination of our genetics and our personality, means that confronted with a number of options a scientist who was able to map our personality and our genetic makeup could predict what we would choose. This is like the scenario in Minority Report. Anyway great post and I look forward to reading more from you!
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Welcome to Steemit :)
What you are saying is similar to the idea of free will. We still have the freedom to choose from the number of options.
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Thanks for the welcome :)
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I think you’re right when you come to the conclusion that life would be meaningless if we could not escape our preordained destiny. Why would a “higher entity” bother if outcome was known?
You also asked, “Are our lives ruled by our own free will or do we all come with our own destinies? Or is it both?”
What if it is neither? What if free will is an illusion and determinism (causality) only makes sense from the perspective of past events but not future events simply because they haven’t happen yet?
What if there is something else entirely that determines why we behave the way we do? Perhaps there is a second replicator that has co-evolved with us and is so integrated with our minds we don’t see them for what they are – parasites. And what if these parasites do what all parasites do, use their hosts to replicate as much as possible at the expense of the host? Could we ever come to know them for what they really are when people think of them as their most treasured possessions – their beliefs?
I wrote a short post that tries to answer the questions “Are we in control” and “Do we have free will” from this perspective. You can find it here if you’re interested: https://steemit.com/philosophy/@rethinkingbelief/are-we-in-control
Thanks for your post.
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Oh yes, our belief system has a huge role to play in determining the choices that we make. Even then the choices are ours to make and hence the free will.
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I don't think we have free will. We are but a consequence of our genes and our environment. We can do as we will (as long as we are free from coercion, etc) but we cannot choose what we will.
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The genetics and environmental factors certainly play a role in determining our patterns of choice but we stll would have free will under those parameters.
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Well, I'm not sure what definition of free will you are using, bt it must be a very soft one. You say that "at any given time we have an infinite number of ways to head into, and through conscious decision making, we are shaping our future." I'd argue that yes, at any given time we have a plethora of choices, but we cannot override our genetics and environmental history, our particular makeup and history will allow us to make only one choice at any crossroads.
Of course, sadly the question of free will is virtually unfalsifiable so we'll probably not see any answers coming in the near future (and I won't bother to address the even more unfalsifiable God question!). Whatever little evidence there is suggests our brain makes decisions before we are even consious of them, but that doesn't address the free will issue directly anyway.
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I don't know the'answer but surely I got a thing to brainstorm about for the day !!!
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Yeah, this topic is surely deep enough to keep the mind busy for hours!
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Yes, I think so too :)
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