Dear Steemit Friends:
Welcome to another edition of my world of idioms. Last time, we explored what happens when a diamond cuts another diamond, or rather, when a person meets their match and as a result, must rise up to the challenge ascending beyond their current abilities.
Today, we're going to look at an idiom which is some what related to a diamond cuts another diamond.
What if two people cross paths and yet pose no conflict of interest?
Well then, that's a matter of Apple and Oranges and the topic of today's idiom - 风马牛不相及 (feng ma niu bu xiang ji)
风马牛不相及 (feng ma niu bu xiang ji)
So what is the meaning of this idiom? A direct translation would be Wind, Horse, Cow , are not related, but in English, it would be comparable to Apples and Oranges, or Chalk and Cheese. In case you are still confused, it is often used to describe when two things are unrelated.
This is actually an ancient Chinese idiom which is still commonly used today when contrasting things unrelated to each other.
The origins of the idiom
Like with every Chinese idiom, it's origin comes from a story in ancient Chinese history.
During the Autumn Spring period, there existed the five Hegemons of the warring states. The Qi State was the strongest of the five and commanded respect over all the others. The Vassal state bowed to the might of the northern state of Qi, however, one state in the south - Chu, continued to amass their armies in their refusal to capitulate.
In 656 BC, the Qi State began preparations to wage war on the Chu. The Emperor of Chu learned of this intention and could not understand the motives of the Qi. In an attempt to understand the transgressions of the Qi, the Chu Emperor sent his most trusted senior official - Qu Wan to speak with the Qi Emperor. Qu Wan asked : With the state of Qi in the far north, and Chu in the far south, both, polar opposites in distance, a wandering cow or horse would have zero possibility of wandering into each other's territory and yet, here you are in the land of Chu, can you tell me why?
In response, the Qi Emperor recounts the numerous times the Chu have failed to offer tribute to the most powerful state that is Qi. He considered this an outright offence, spiting the great state of Qi and one that must be settled by force.
After the first talks between the Qi and Chu, no settlement could be reached and thus both armies prepared themselves for war. In a last ditch effort to avoid unnecessary conflict, the Chu Emperor once again sent his senior official - Qu Wan, to try persuade the Qi to withdraw.
On this second visit, the Qi Emperor took Qu Wan on a tour of the military strength of Qi - a scare tactic to try bend the Chu into submission. The Qi Emperor said : My army is vast and unparalleled in military strength, how can the Chu defeat my army?
Qu Wan replied : If one considers the size and strength of the army alone, you are indeed unmatched in strength, but the state of Chu is protected by the great wall which fortifies our lands, and protects our cities. Outside the wall, we also have a moat making it even more difficult for your army to attack us. You could have an army twice your current size and still fail to penetrate our defences.
The Qi Emperor observed the hard line presented by Qu Wan and realised that it would indeed be a difficult task to penetrate the wall without suffering significant losses. Moreover, the Chu empire had already repented for their lack of tributes to the Qi and promised to do so in the future. The Qi Emperor decided to withdraw knowing that face was not lost and the Chu from henceforth would offer tribute to the Kingdom of Qi.
This signalled the end of their conflict and how the idiom Wind, Horse, Cow are unrelated came into existence.
I found the story very interesting because when Qu Wan first used this analogy, it emphasised his reasoning and quick wit. Ultimately this led to the resolution of conflict without bloodshed. An example of unnecessary conflict over two unrelated things.
After hearing this story, you should now have a deeper understanding of the meaning of this idiom as well as it's origin.
The different ways 风马牛不相及 (feng ma niu bu xiang ji) can be interpreted
Actually, there are quite a number of different ways people interpret this idiom. Let's have a look!
Wind, Horse and Cow are three different and unrelated things. Cows walk with the wind, and horses run against the wind. The Qi and Chu empires are in completely opposite directions. There is no inherent relationship or clash of interests, why the need to wage war?
The character “风” (Wind) was used as a verb in classical (ancient) Chinese, it's other meaning is to escape or wander. If a cow and horse escape and wander off, they still have no chance of ending up in each other's territory.
The sexual enticement between a male and female is also called “风”. The horse and cow are two different species, even during times of sexual receptivity, should a horse and cow stumble upon each other, there would still be no chance of mating.
This is an analogous to the Qi and Chu who have no reason to wage war on each other.
With regards to the idiom 风马牛不相及 (feng ma niu bu xiang ji) (Apple and Oranges | Chalk and Cheese), it illustrates situations where conflict arise with no basis of reasoning or logic. Next time you come across a situation with conflict of reasoning, you'll have a Chinese idiom to save the day!
I hope this edition of my world of idioms has given you a new perspective on situations where unnecessary conflict arises. It might be a bit weird to just say Apple and Oranges, but you can certainly say Wind, Horse, Cow unrelated to a Chinese person and they will get the message right away!
Hope you enjoyed the post, and don't forget to upvote, follow and comment!
Welcome to my world of Idioms #1—7
To put the cart before the horse
One man's meat is another man's poison
Diamond cuts diamonds
今天我想带大家继续走进我的成语世界,在上一篇文章中,我们了解了钻石切钻石,棋逢敌手的历史故事,发现了在做事情中,遇到实力相当的对手可以促进自己进步更快。今天我想带大家去探索一个更有意思的成语——风马牛不相及。
风马牛不相及:这个成语在英文里竟然是苹果和桔子的意思,为什么要把2个毫不相干的水果放在一起,莫名其妙呢?风马牛不相及是中国古代的成语,比喻两事物毫无关联。风马牛不相及的古代故事,故事背景:是春秋五霸之一,中原的诸侯国没有不屈从的,只有南方楚国不断扩充兵力,试图与齐国抗衡。公元前656年,齐国准备进攻楚国,楚王得知了消息,觉得他王完全是毫无道理的侵略,在集合大军准备迎战的同时,也派楚大夫屈完前去质问齐国说,你们齐国居住在很遥远的北方,我们楚国在南方,一南一北两个极端相距很远,即使是我们两国走丢的牛和马狂奔而去,也不可能跑到对方的境内,没想到你们竟然进入我们楚国的领地,这是为什么呢?而齐国则历数了楚国不向最强大的齐国进贡等罪状。
这次对话之后,并没有合解,两军都在建立军营筹备作战。这时候楚王再次派大夫屈完去劝说,齐王显示自己武力给屈完,屈完镇定的说,单凭武力,我们楚国以楚长城作城墙,汉水作濠沟,你们再多的兵力,也未必打得进来。齐王一听,屈完这般强硬,觉得自己确实也未必能轻易打败楚国,更而况楚国已经承认错误并承诺以后会进贡,齐王自己也算有了面子。就这样,齐楚两国终于和解。而风马牛不相及这个成语,就是从这场战争前的齐楚唇枪舌战中诞生的。这个故事我觉得非常有趣,屈完质问齐王时用这个成语作为比喻是非常生动有趣,又很机智和贴切的。了解了这个故事,你们是不是对风马牛不相及这个成语,理解更加深刻了呢?
风马牛不相及的多种理解:其实这个成语还有更有趣的地方,那就是人们对这个成语有着很多种不同的解释。1。风、马、牛是三种并列的事物,它们完全不相干。 牛走顺风,马走逆风,齐国和楚国本来是向不同方向走的,两者没有任何冲突,为什么会发生战争?2。 “风”在文言文里用作动词,意思是“放逸、走失”,马与牛即便走失,也不会到对方的境内。3。兽类雌雄相诱也叫做“风”,因马与牛不同类,所以不会交配,就算发情的牛和马也不会走到对方领地。强调两国没有任何关系,为何齐国要来进攻楚国。关于风马牛不相及的成语解释,充满了对莫名其妙事物的不理解。下次如果你们撞上了毫无缘由,莫名其妙的差错,也许这个成语可以派上用途了。希望你们希望我今天的成语介绍,之后还有更多有趣的成语小故事等着和大家分享。
A Fan of Chinese Idioms
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Thank you, i'll try to put out posts in this series a little more often.
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actually the translation is wrong and it doesn't even make sense in English itself.
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Well, the english part seems difficult to understand, but then.. it got easy.
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:D
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The nice little bit of extra knowledge I build on this site every day is quite amazing! Thanks for this!
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You're very welcome, Steemit is quickly becoming a great place to learn lots of new things
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This post received a 31% upvote from @randowhale thanks to @sweetsssj! For more information, click here!
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Very interesting :D
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hope you learn something!
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Great post, deserves a follow!
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Thanks liad242!
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Thanks, I like idioms and quotes also, you can look at quotes that I post, I hope you like them and vote ☺
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I had a look, some good ones there!
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tell me please how to hide the link and put a word or phrase like a link in bleu I mean, do you have instruction for that ?
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it's [a href=http://youraddresshere]Phrase for link[/a]
Change the [ and ] to < and >
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thank you so much, it worked :)
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hint:
enclosing code block in:
```
some code
```
would give you such effect:
In which case you don't need to worry about special characters within such code block
So you can do either:
Or using markdown editor:
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thanks gtg, i learn something everyday !
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I don't get it.
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I love this! As a writer, I always found cliches and idioms so interesting, and funny when used in certain ways. Thanks for sharing!
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Another great article. Liked the paintings as well
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Thank you! I do like some tradition Chinese wash paintings, I actually wrote about them before wayyy back. One of my family friends is a master !
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I really love the way you give the best in these posts! 🤗
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Thank you for sticking with me, i'll always do my best :)
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Smart, witty AND beautiful. You never cease to amaze SSJ. We DEFINITELY have to do lunch, on me. How about apples and oranges? 😂
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Ahaha , i see what you did there! Paying attention, I like that :)
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I love you 😘 😂
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so very nice picture!
I love your steem blog~
did you write a book?
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thanks wjdtka915; maybe I will look into compiling a photo book some time in the future. Promise me you'll buy it :)
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sure why not! :)
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Interesting quotes!
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thanks!
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Really nice! Thanks for sharing
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Thank you!
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Hellow @sweetsssj I followed you, so I read all your stuff I like, so I chose it. Unfortunately, my minnow vote is not worthy of you. I have tried to shift my subject to see if I am getting a bit of charm. Hmmm one shows $ 3.50 and one today has reached $ 9 maybe we need to understand our audience here. Look at them as consumers. What are they hungry Maybe, I keep trying new corners.
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Hello vogard04, firstly, thank you for leaving a comment - I always appreciate that.
Secondly, please don't feel discouraged! Remember, it takes a lot of practice and quite a bit of luck to gain a viewership but don't let that stop you from telling your story. If you struggle with longer sentences, stick to shorter more eloquent sentences and supplement with some good quality photos. Make sure you critique yourself and always try to improve any or every aspect of your presentation.
Remember, there is rule of 10,000 hours of practice before you start to become really proficient at doing anything.
Even if you spent every single moment practicing, that would still take well over a year! (416.666... days to be exact!)
I know you can do it, and I look forward to seeing you progress!
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Okay buddy thanks for your support to me my friend.
I will always fight for this platform I will always try to be the best to be successful on this platform.
Once again thanks for your support buddy :)
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You're very welcome, good luck !
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我的poloniex btc转出,都一天了,还显示waiting approval,咋办呀
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有没有找administrator?我个人没有遇到过同样的文提所以不知道能不能帮到你!
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I love that you're talking about Chinese culture in English so cool!!
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You know sometimes it works both ways, when I try to express something that I know in Chinese but fail to find the English equivalent, it gives me a bit of motivation to learn how. This is actually why I started this series, because I realised there are so many idioms in Chinese that I use in my day to day life which I struggle to align with in English!
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What's a comparison! Lolz... :-D
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Not sure what you mean..
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Very interesting @sweetsssj
Resteemed
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Thank you viralcutz!
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you are welcome dear!! @sweetsssj
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haha, funny
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Hehe, I actually didn't mean it to be. But happy you think so anyway! :D
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Thank you, I love idioms. Especially mandarin. There's so much meaning behind the origin of the words
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That's true! You can also learn so much history just from learning the language in more depth. Killing two birds with one stone.
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Great post,conflict can be so stressfull,and the more they look at stress and how it affects the body,the worse it sounds.Time for yoga :).
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Oh yoga, one of my favourite activities !
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I'll have to say that I enjoy these kinds of posts far more than the vacation ones. Keep them coming!
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aww, well thank you for enjoying something at least, I appreciate it all the same :)
When I have periods where i'm not travelling, I tend to write the longer more thought provoking stuff.
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I enjoyed the other stuff as well but not a much as the things that trigger the mind. If you ask me, life is better experienced with traveling rather than reading book (and believe me, i have read a lot).
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history is amazing
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Whats more, the entire Chinese language is composed of historical artefacts. You can get so much out of just a simple few words.
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nice post! upvoted and followed:)
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thanks pakyeechan!
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You´ve got a nice post up there. Will probably have to check on all the others on this series now :)
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thank you starflyer-9000, it's quite difficult to explain it in such a way that westerners can fully grasp the full meaning. I do my best though.
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Congratulations @swwetsssj for taking into account, I learn a lot with your post. Your culture is wonderful. Also the creativity you use to write is good, very friendly is easily learned.
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Thanks haydeart, as I explained in one of my other replies, it's actually quite difficult to fully capture in writing the meaning when going from Chinese to English, often there is too much cultural defaults and history that go along with the usage of words in Chinese that have no direct translation in English.
Since there are few bodies of work around bridging this gap on the internet, I do feel that I am at least offering a good starting point for those who are interested, and of course, as a point of reference is very useful for people who happen to be searching about this idiom on the internet!
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Thanks, the help is essential, I just imagine all the work you do. I love the Steemit community, Finding your blog fills me a lot. Excellent work.
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I think you´re doing quite good there :) But maybe it´s, because of the fact that I´m living in Asia already for some time so that I might get the meaning easier :)
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It's actually quite amazing that each idiom has quite an in depth background story behind it, and yet, there is no where on the internet that explains much of it to English speakers.
Aside from understanding the language from these idioms, it's also very much an expression of wisdom accumulated from thousands of years of history. I think it's important that this kind of cultural exchange happens more. Only then can the East meet the West.
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That´s a good intention of yours and I can´t do anything else than to agree with it :)
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Where abouts in asia do you currently live? Also where did you live before you moved to asia?
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I´m originally from Germany and currently living in Kuala Lumpur. Before I´ve already studied for some time in Seoul and am travelling Asia for some time already. You might check on my blog some time if you´d like as I try to get started to share my adventures as well (Definitely not a very good blogger yet :D)
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How interesting, so you can speak quite a number of languages! Of course German and English, but maybe Korean? or even Chinese?
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Wow, that was a fascinating story and breakdown of that phrase @sweetsssj, nicely done, thank you teacher. School is dismissed :)
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thanks sandstorm, there are so many more interesting stories such as these. I am actually looking forward to sharing more with everyone. Class is (temporarily) dismissed!
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And I'm sure there are plenty of us that would like to learn them :) Thanks for dismissing us, at least (temporarily). Have a great day @sweetsssj.
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Thanks for introducing chinese idioms to steem! Great articles! Think about jntroducing some web idioms next time? Im interested!
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Sure, do you mean like internet language?
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Yes! That's what I meant!
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Thanks for your post! It is always interesting to find the origin and meanings behind a saying, but to also understand it from another language and culture is even more exciting.
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Glad you take an interest, stay tuned for more!
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interesting...I enjoyed the story behind the idiom. thanks for sharing.
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thanks popet, I should just change the names of the people to more recognisable English ones, it can get quite confusing when everybody's name begins with Q, or the ending sounds like "you" (u)
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yea that is true, but having the names in their original forms is also part of the learning.
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Very nice post. Wonder why there always have to be conflicts to work around?
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Thanks team101, that seems to be the passage of life. To meet conflict, and resolve.
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Nice post @sweetsssj
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Thanks taufar
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I really enjoyed your post. I am now understanding Idioms better and the origin of the meaning. Thank you
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fantastic! That means my post was valuable to you! Hopefully in later editions, I can share some more with everyone !
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Amazing post friend, thanks for enlightening us :)
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You are very welcome! Thanks for learning with me :)
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@sweetsssj
Thanks so much for sharing this idiom that I was unfamiliar with! Very interesting! :) Hope have a great day!
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I didn't know you did these posts too. I really like 塞翁失马 and 井底之蛙 i find these really usefully. Some Chengyu are used because of history or just trendy but these two I find to be quite profound. Always open to learning some more idioms.
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Nice ones, they are some of the most useful in every day language indeed! I haven't written too many of these, so far just 8 of them, but between my travel food and other posts, I try to get one in now and then!
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I can't imagine how many times you have been on an airplane.
You look great in a 比基尼 but this kind of post is more useful for me ;-P
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sweetsssj.You have a very interesting post. I see you are interested in history. Follow the link : https://steemit.com/travel/@hajevoy60/unique-seal-of-prince-svyatoslav-in-the-church-of-the-golden-gate-10th-century
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What an interesting and informative post! thank you @sweetsssj.
In Russia we have something like "Earth and Heaven" when we talk about things that are not related to each other. Definitely follow you!
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Wow, that's an interesting analogy, I know in english people like to say two things are so different such that they are "Heaven and Earth" apart. I'd be interested to see if there is a background story in russian with the phrase?
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I didn't found the background story related to this phrase, I know that Russian writers used this saying from the XVIII century. I can suppose that the root of the phrase is in religion, but it is just my opinion:)
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hey please help me upvote my posts
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So cool. Thanks for sharing!
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You're very welcome bibigworld. Have a good day!
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文言教學haha
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haha是呀:)
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Very cool...)))
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thanks!
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