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freedomshift (64) · 6 years ago

I looked up your profile and realized that you are an intelligent person. I am impressed with your hugely successful posts but could not understand how infrequent that you have posted.

Your prediction regarding BTC and STEEM has not come to past ...

widely documented

Not if compared with the Holy Bible.

I respect your opinion, but my question was:

facts?

So, what and where are they?

All the best!

swissclive (63) · 6 years ago

I fully respect that the bible is widely documented, and I don’t dispute the facts it contains. However those facts are at least 2000 years old. For a modern set of facts I go to respected science websites and test assertions made for plausibility.

Here is a paragraph from a respected website: https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/09/17/161096233/which-is-greater-the-number-of-sand-grains-on-earth-or-stars-in-the-sky?t=1556062724959

The question was “Are there more stars or more grains of sand on earth?”

“Our stargazer gets a Hubble telescope and a calculator, so now we can count distant galaxies, faint stars, red dwarfs, everything we've ever recorded in the sky, and boom! Now the population of stars jumps enormously, to 70 thousand million, million, million stars in the observable universe (a 2003 estimate), so that we've got multiple stars for every grain of sand — which means, sorry, grains, you are nowhere near as numerous as the stars.‘

And the following is an extract from 2013 found on https://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/01/05/how-many-planets-are-in-the-universe

“But as of today, Kepler has found over 11,000 stars with at least one planetary candidate, and over 18,000 potential planets around those stars.

You may have read this week that there are at least 100-to-200 billion planets in our Milky Way, and that's true, but that's not an estimate; that's a lower limit. If you instead were to make an estimate, you'd get a number that's at least one (and more like two, if you're willing to make inferences about outer planets) orders of magnitude higher: closer to ten trillion planets in our galaxy, alone!

With at least 200 billion galaxies out there (and possibly even more), we're very likely talking about a Universe filled with around 10*^24 planets, or, for those of you who like it written out, around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in our observable Universe.”

freedomshift (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

Thank you for the facts!

However, these facts are what we observed through modern-day "space observatories".

Scientist estimated, guessed, calculated that the furthest object is perhaps 6.5 billion light years away. So, if it had been a big bang and expanded at light speed, the big back would have been 6.5 billion years ago.

Note that I do not call these numbers facts. they are just "estimated, guessed, calculated".

So, whatever "facts" that we have is such a minute sample over the billion years - the sample is "needle in a haystack" by a gazillions of times.

I am a chemical engineer by education and then an IT professional for over 30 years dealing with logic - AKA Artificial Intelligence. Facts used in the logic-mathematics realm are the only prove-able means.

No, not science or scientific theories. They can only be validated to be consistent or accurate within a certain margin of errors.

So, based on my 30 years in a prove-able world, I have never seen "alien" life proven, not even any theory or a portion thereof.

There are only probability and statistics that suggest that it, the existence of aliens, is probable due to the large numbers of objects in the known universe.

However, just as many grains of sands on a beach could not produce any life as life can only come from life, this probability theory is just that.

Man, even well-known scientists, have attempted to turn lead into gold over thousands of years and more attempts will still not succeed.

respectfully.

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jadams2k18 (64) · 6 years ago

Hello @freedomshift

I see that you are a studied person (in a totally scientific career and quite difficult, I respect chemistry, you have to love it to study it) and I congratulate you for it. Rooted in the scientific method, and that's fine.

But not everything has to be measured and quantified to exist.

One of the scientists I most admire said the following

During a social gathering, someone was surprised to hear that he was deeply religious. Einstein replied, "Yes, I am. When we try to reach the secrets of nature with our limited means, we find that behind the discernible causal relationships there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. My religion is to venerate that force, which is beyond what we can comprehend. In that sense I am in fact religious. And he wrote in a letter: "the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit enormously superior to men ... in the face of which we must feel humble".

I know how necessary facts are to discover or prove a truth, but there are truths that cannot be quantifiable or measured within this dimension. A two-dimensional being can know the depth dimension? But that does not mean that there isn't exist or isn't true? He/she will never find a tangible fact that can make him/her measure it. Do you follow me?

Therefore, this gives me to understand that it is possible that extraterrestrials do exist, that is to say, life on other planets.

It's just the opinion of this humble servant. Don't get angry

marvyinnovation (51) · 6 years ago

Hi @freedomshift,

Perfectly explained!

"......based on my 30 years in a prove-able world, I have never seen "alien" life proven... "

If that be the case, what about those UFO sightings recorded so far. If they weren't aliens, then what's is the UFOs are all about?

Please throw some light and enlighten me in this regard. Thanks in advance @freedomshift.

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freedomshift (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

Hi,

before I went into logic and mathematics based profession, I spent 13 years in Chemical engineering and I have been a Christian for over 50 years.

I have also researched into many extraordinary theories and observed "facts" including UFO, Area 59, lizard people, Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, and dinosaurs and their extinction, how were the moon and earth formed, did God created the world in 7 earth days literally? And the list goes on to the lone-gunman, 9-11, false flags causing all world wars ...

So, It'll take a whole lot more time to respond one by one than I'll have the time to do so. One day, I'll write a book that no one will want to read but I wouldn't care.

UFO - unidentified flying object.

If we were able to communicate to times past in any way - yes, I have researched time travel also - even if just to send messages, what will people think?

many things that we have now if seen just 100 years ago, they would have called us "aliens" - flying, cell phone, tv, microwave ...

One question -

Are you or any reader willing to bet:

that there is no life after death so that we will RIP and not be held accountable for our actions, good or bad?
there is life after death but we do not need Jesus to go to Heaven? (the absence of it is included in the former point)

Choose wisely.

Out!

All the best!

marvyinnovation (51) · 6 years ago

“……many extraordinary theories and observed "facts" including UFO, Area 59, lizard people, Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, and dinosaurs and their extinction, how were the moon and earth formed, did God created the world in 7 earth days literally?”

Wow! Your scope of research is going beyond the scope of our mind.

“One day, I'll write a book that no one will want to read but I wouldn't care.”

Why you think like that, Sir? I sincerely expect you to write a book based on your researches soon and I also can say, for sure, that it will be filled with engaging content.

“many things that we have now if seen just 100 years ago, they would have called us "aliens" - flying, cell phone, tv, microwave ...”

Wonderful point!

“……but we do not need Jesus to go to Heaven? (the absence of it is included in the former point)”
Please clarify this point.
Thanks in advance.

freedomshift (64) · 6 years ago

you need to start from "Are you or any reader willing to bet: ... that there is life after death"
before
"but we do not need Jesus to go to Heaven? "

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marvyinnovation (51) · 6 years ago

Hi,

I kindly request you to explain the point, which you've emphasized. I am very much interested in reading your viewpoints.

Sorry for my inability to understand & for giving you the trouble by asking you to explain it again.

Thanks for clearing my doubt in advance.

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marvyinnovation (51) · 6 years ago

Wow! Your scope of research is going beyond the scope of our mind.

“One day, I'll write a book that no one will want to read but I wouldn't care.”

Why you think like that, Sir? I sincerely expect you to write a book based on your researches soon and I also can say, for sure, that it will be filled with engaging content.

“many things that we have now if seen just 100 years ago, they would have called us "aliens" - flying, cell phone, tv, microwave ...”

Wonderful point!

“……but we do not need Jesus to go to Heaven? (the absence of it is included in the former point)”

Please clarify this point.

Thanks in advance.

swissclive (63) · 6 years ago

I have expanded on my “evidence” and “facts” about the existence of extra-terrestrial intelligent life in my post just now: https://steemit.com/aliens/@swissclive/we-are-not-alone-the-universe-is-teeming-with-life-much-of-it-far-more-intelligent-and-advanced-than-mankind

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bitfiend (59) · 6 years ago

My belief in God and what I feel God has shown me tells me that they are not real and that my first statement was simply a "dream" or maybe even an "OOB" (out of body experience) where I was being attacked by demons. I realize I contradicted...why did you delete? It was a legit question.

marvyinnovation (51) · 6 years ago (edited)

Hi @bitfiend,

Oh... Sorry friend. I thought I made a mistake after posting that question. Hence deleted it.

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lanceman (53) · 6 years ago

Exquisite exchange good sirs!!

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jadams2k18 (64) · 6 years ago

It was clear to me that there are enough planets for the probability of life to be fulfilled.

But

I fully respect that the bible is widely documented, and I don’t dispute the facts it contains.

I'm a religious person, but there are some "facts" in the bible like Noe's ark among others, I wouldn't consider them as facts.

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swissclive (63) · 6 years ago

Noah’s ark could well be a true story where the facts have been elaborated over time. I don’t think any journalist was around to document the details in the way they were for the life of Christ.

However in many countries it is sacrilege to challenge religious beliefs, so much better accept the beliefs as facts unless you are very sure who your audience is and know how they will act.

Imagine in the US/UK/Nigeria that they put some Catholic priest on TV who talks about the immaculate conception. What do you think would happen if the TV presenter replied “You’re talking bollocks”?

Whilst talking of invoking religion to make a point, you might be shocked by this you tube video:

jadams2k18 (64) · 6 years ago

However in many countries it is sacrilege to challenge religious beliefs, so much better accept the beliefs as facts unless you are very sure who your audience is and know how they will act.

I guess there are places where you could die for challenging religions...

OMG! To open the subject of homosexuality without bothering someone is delicate, it is like talking about politics or religion.

"anal worm that feeds on semen"????
(That's new!)

This is outrageous!

However, I don't think it's a disease. They are sexual preferences. The LGBT community (I think it has more initials) has been the victim of attacks, persecutions, and ridicule.

Once a master was asked why there was so much increase in homosexuality on the side of the male sex, and he had explained that it had originated from the effect of birth control pills in its early years.

Then people will say that homosexuality is a method used by governments to control population growth...

I wonder, if there was a vaccine that would not cause any harm to the human body, to eradicate homosexuality, would homosexuals take it?

This could be a good topic for a post