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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

Here's my anecdotal data.

My Kids	Vaccinated	Has Autism	Gender
Oldest	√	√	M
Middle	√		F
Youngest		√	M

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thebluepanda (66) · 7 years ago

I really don't know whether to laugh or cry

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Join some fb groups for the parents of vaccine injured children. You will most definitely be crying. I couldn't take it and had to get out after the project I was on ended.

I went there for research about two years ago and there are two types of groups I found.

Parents who are fighting for help after their "perfect" child was made ill. Autism is not the only possible outcome. Other kids get immediately sensitive to foods - can't eat, run fevers, have seizures - a variety of illnesses. These families lose everything - friends and family disappear - and they have to go vaccine court on their own dime unless the vaccine batch was so bad that they become part of a class.

The possible illnesses are well spelled out on the inserts to the shots, but most parents don't have them or read them until they are forced to.

Parents who must get the vaccines for their kids for various reasons of health insurance or school attendance. They band together for support.

Both groups use protocols to detox out as much of the harmful items as possible in the first two weeks after the shots. The damaging material is in the solution for the most part - additives that have nothing to do with protecting the herd.

I'm in Thailand now where there are only 7 shots - recommended - none mandatory. Not sure why us kids need upwards of 60 of them - most required. It must be a weak herd over there.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"Join some fb groups for the parents of vaccine injured children. You will most definitely be crying."

yeah, because I will have lost all faith in humanity after seeing your absolute stupidity.

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

It's not me - I do not have a vaccine injured child. My family did not leave me because they cannot take facing the symptoms my kids suffers. I did not lose my job to take care of my kid for the rest of my life and his. This is what people talk about in those groups. You should join a few of them - your eyes will be opened to the pain these families face. Empathy is a good thing.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

Yellow fever, a viral disease that occurs primarily in tropical and subtropical areas of Africa and South America, kills 30,000 each year. The virus is transmitted most often through the bite of the female Aedes aegypti mosquito. Once controlled fairly well by widespread vaccination and mosquito control, the disease is making a comeback and outbreaks are becoming more frequent.

fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Yellow fever - I do not know about at all. However, if you visit South America or Africa, you need a shot to be able to visit other countries afterwards. This is why those two continents are last on my list. You do not need to fear this illness if you do not plan travel to either of those places.

Anything mosquito borne is suspect as the big guys are messing with the bugs these days. They just released a bunch in Northern California so expect outbreaks of something! Fear porn coming your way.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

"empathy is a good thing"

and then you proceed to ignore the millions of deaths due to vaccine preventable diseases. You are the person responsible for this slaughter. You disgust me.

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

I'm mostly on the fight against obesity. The 800 thousand plus Americans who die with obesity on their death certificates are the people I work for. Also the millions more dying from obesity-related illnesses.

We all have to choose our causes. If you spend your days worrying about all of them, you will get nothing done.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"why us kids need upwards of 60 of them"

many are booster shots that allow us to build up a resistance to stuff like tetanus

when an epidemic starts and everyone around you ends up being slaughtered by it don't come crying to us, because you will be in quarantine.

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Look up the Vaccine court payouts for damages for tetanus shots and you may not be so eager to get your next one. The annual flu shot payouts are much higher though so pick your poison.

The only epidemics are in your head and on tv. Don't be fooled.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

", referred to in the Old Testament as the “seventh-day death,” killed an estimated 200,000 newborns and 30,000 mothers in 2001. The tetanus bacteria are ubiquitous – they live in soil, in animal dung and in feces. Tetanus can infect newborns if the umbilical cord is cut with unsterile instruments or the incision treated with contaminated dressings."

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

Wow - you are really living in fear. This must be difficult. The US has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the first world and it is climbing. No unsterile umbilical cutters needed as the kids die all on their own. Getting shots on the day they are born may contribute to the early deaths, but it is not being studied so no one will ever know.

This combined with the plummeting birth rates of us born people is the reason the un is expecting depopulation in the us by 2040 and encouraging more immigration. You can find this information and the projections in the us agenda 2040 reports. It's not looking good for the us in particular.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"Rotavirus, a pervasive wheel-shaped virus, is a leading cause of severe diarrhoea in infants and young children, particularly in the developing world. Currently, there is no vaccine approved for the disease, which kills 600,000 children under five each year."

fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Notice - no vaccine. This illness is due to sanitation issues.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), prevalent mainly in developing countries, is estimated to cause approximately 3 million cases of serious disease and kills about 450,000 children every year. Most children die from pneumonia and a minority from meningitis. In developing countries about 40% of Hib meningitis cases are fatal, and 15-35% of children who survive are left with permanent disabilities. Despite gradual uptake of the Hib vaccine in developing countries, in 2001, only one in five children worldwide were immunized against Hib during the first year of life."

fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Yeah - not buying that one at all. No one gets this shot here - no one has this flu you fear so much. Many American do not get the shot. Many more Americans die from the flu shot than the flu on an annual basis. See cdc reports on this topic.

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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

darth-azrael (67) · 6 years ago

In many cases, the flu is not listed as the cause of death because death results from secondary conditions brought on by the flu. In any case, the CDC estimates that 12,000 to 56,000 people die each year from the flu in the U.S. alone (the numbers vary based on how severe the particular strain is that year). Most of the deaths happen among the very young and the very old. I couldn't find CDC numbers on the number of deaths caused by the vaccine. Have a link? The CDC recommends getting the vaccine which wouldn't really make sense if they issued reports indicating that the vaccine caused more deaths than the flu.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"Polio, a viral infection of the nervous system, can cause crippling paralysis within hours. Significant progress has been made towards eradicating the disease, but it remains a serious threat to children in areas where the wild poliovirus still circulates. The number of cases worldwide dropped from 350,000 in 1988 to under 1,300 in 2004.

fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Polio is one of the very strange ones. It gets eradicated constantly and keeps coming back. It has odd and not consistent symptoms. Many countries do not use this shot yet have no trouble. This is also the shot that created a secondary illness - not clear on this as my research to this issue was several years ago.

However, there is something up with polio and I would look into it further if I had a kid and was required to give them this one. It's not required in SE Asia and I have not noticed anything about it being a problem here. Maybe they hide their sick people.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"In acute respiratory infections such as diphtheria or pertussis, bacteria can attack the lungs or bronchial tubes, causing chronic coughs, pneumonia and breathing difficulties. Pertussis – also known as whooping cough – kills about 300,000 children a year, while a third respiratory infection, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) pneumonia kills about 500,000."

fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Those numbers are worldwide or us? Where did they come from? The whooping cough shot is one of the least effective. The flu shot kills more than the flu on an annual basis. These stats are both from the cdc.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

let me guess, you're scared of all the dihydrogen monoxide in our pipes?

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

I'm in Thailand - I do not know what you face where you are but I do not drink tap water in any country.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

so the name alone scares you does it

also security is often worse in bottled water, by around a factor of ten.

fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Not sure what name you refer to. I try not to live in fear regardless.

The water I drink now is as "clean" as I can get and comes from aquifers here. In the states I drank distilled. I will always go for the best source I can find and afford. Here at least the water is not brown nor does it smell bad like it did in California.

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thebluepanda (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

first of all and please MEMORIZE IT:

autism is not a DISEASE. get to know some autist people and you will understand what I mean

2nd: there is no need for detox. If a human body was really intoxicated they would be dead in a few minutes.

3rd: before joining unrealistic group medical researchers, as I mentioned please do try to ask FIVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS from doctors.

edit: ASK REAL DOCTORS WITH MORE THAN 20 years of work experience

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Doctors get their money from big pharma and so are not the best source. However, many are getting out of the biz since they do not like to cause harm.

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thebluepanda (66) · 7 years ago

or you can ask the doctors that work in third world countries.

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

The kids look healthy and they rarely get any shots since they are only recommended.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

'The kids look healthy and they rarely get any shots since they are only recommended."

"My kids look healthy, they rarely get food because its only recommended"

simondocherty (52) · 7 years ago

Doctors get their money from big pharma and so are not the best source

Maybe in America but that doesn't happen in all countries and doctors ALL OVER THE WORLD say to get your kids immunised.

However, many are getting out of the biz since they do not like to cause harm.

Please provide proof of your comment from a legitimate source.

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

Here is where you report vaccine injury to the cdc when they happen - your first step to vaccine court. This is the first link on their site since it is so frequently used. Good list of possible symptoms to various vaccines and additives and warnings about certain batches.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/

Regarding kickbacks to doctors:
http://raisingnaturalkids.com/kickbacks-pediatrician-gets-vaccinating/

US Federal Court for Vaccine Claims
This is why you cannot sue the drug companies and it is a very busy court. Links to the various injuries and whether you are part of a "class" or need to come to court on your own.
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters

Doctors getting out - see you tube for their interviews

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"Analysis of 10 studies involving more than 1.2 million children reaffirms that vaccines don’t cause autism; MMR shot may actually decrease risk"

tonyboney (35) · 7 years ago

have you looked up the CDC OFFICIALS DISCUSS NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE FROM VACCINES IN SECRET MEETING – SIMPSONWOOD

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

have you looked up "Analysis of 10 studies involving more than 1.2 million children reaffirms that vaccines don’t cause autism; MMR shot may actually decrease risk"

tonyboney (35) · 7 years ago

have you looked up
'Radiation is good for you,' says Ann Coulter as she weighs in on Japan's nuclear crisis
depends who does the study , really doesn't it , but seriously will you take the full schedule of vaccines and put it on youtube , i will pay to see it

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

vaccines are essentially putting weakened pathogens into your body so you can learn to defend from that specific type. You are exposed to millions everyday, you are just able to fight them off as their symptoms are not as bad.

You are delusional if you think that can cause autism.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"but seriously will you take the full schedule of vaccines and put it on youtube"

What do you mean by that?

thename (46) · 7 years ago (edited)

I'm all for recommended vaccines, why not? Everybody should be able to decide for themselves and their children. When it comes to mandatory vaccination, though, I get quite a bit concerned. I don't force you to not vaccinate, don't force me to vaccinate. If you don't understand why, read this: https://steemit.com/freedom/@thename/freedom-and-control
EDIT: This was not directed at you, fitnfun. Replied to wrong user...

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

That's ok - I will read anyway. I totally agree with you about the mandate.

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thename (46) · 7 years ago

Thanks! Good to hear a reasonable voice in this debate... People on both sides tend to get very emotional. In the end it comes all down to how much we choose to live in fear, I guess. May Love cure our fear! Peace

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fitinfun (71) · 7 years ago

Yes that is true. I only know of this because I went into the fb groups for it a couple of years ago for a research job. I joined a lot of the groups for parents with injured children to get information. I had to leave all of them as it was too heartbreaking for me to get the updates. The parents lose all their support and jobs - friends and family run away.

Then the parents spend their days at hospitals and with lawyers, social workers, and advocates. It's a terrible turn in anyone's life. Some of the groups work on detoxing the stuff out and I think there is hope in that direction, but it's sad it needs to be this way.

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thename (46) · 7 years ago

Have you heard of vitamin c mega-doses? Some people who are FORCED to vaccinate their children use high vitamin c doses as a form of damage control. Google Dr. Suzanne Humphreys if you are interested.

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celsius100 (54) · 7 years ago

The internet is a source of information. Some good and some not as good. Information is only as good as the source.

I know you probably won't change your mind until something happens to you or someone you know, but vaccines are not the answer. Most young people think that they know things. Things taught or learned at a college or university. They never consider the source of that information. They believe if it comes out of the college, it must be true.

This is true for doctors also. And of course doctors do some good things. Emergency medicine is necessary. However, you need to consider the source of their information to become doctors. And it isn't science. Everything that is taught is able to be presented/manipulated.

Bottom line, don't believe everything spoon fed to you by the "experts". Everything has an agenda when it is backed by big money interests. Always consider who is paying the bills.

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thebluepanda (66) · 7 years ago

yes, i am going to trust "internet experts"

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celsius100 (54) · 7 years ago

I was hoping you would not give a flip answer. Once you think you know everything, you will stop trying to learn. The point wasn't that the "internet" was the answer, but that the source of the information needs to be vetted. Everyone is a source. It comes down to who do you trust. You obvious trust the moneymakers. Good luck.

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jonyamuna (25) · 7 years ago

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afukichi (59) · 7 years ago

There are major differences depending on the medical situation in that country. It is also progressing day by day, it is very difficult. It's hard to get a complete answer.

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thebluepanda (66) · 7 years ago

thanks!

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rettigphotos (41) · 7 years ago

I hate that people just continue to deny this.

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thename (46) · 7 years ago

As long as you don't promote mandatory vaccination I respect your opinion and way of thinking. If you think it's alright to force others and initiate force against them, I would love to hear your arguments supporting that! Peace.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"Amish and their lack of autism"

one reason could be they don't bother diagnosing it, another is that it is mainly genetic and so they only breed in their own groups.

" the experts "

you trust the experts to build the operating system your computer runs on. You trust the " the experts " to keep your credit card information safe, you trust " the experts " to keep you safe from robberies, you trust " the experts " to keep your electricity running and the wiring in your house safe.

there have been thousands upon thousands of studies proving they are safe.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

you trust "the experts" to tell you vaccines cause autism.

Oh no wait, the first "expert" to find the link was ejected from science long ago for falseifying information because he couldn't make any discoveries because he was a shit scientist.

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tonyboney (35) · 7 years ago

i trust scientific studies , because as you may or may not know there is not one scientific study , a double blind study to back up vaccines are safe , and a tonne of evidence to support the opposite , by the way are you paid to come on these sites ??

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"i trust scientific studies , because as you may or may not know there is not one scientific study , a double blind study to back up vaccines are safe"

That is an absolute lie and you know it.

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tonyboney (35) · 7 years ago

the double blind tests removed only the viral content still including the mercury , aluminium and other adjuvents , also they excluded from the results any child showing temperature increases any way its a billion dollar business , if you are really interested watch these

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

the additives in the vaccines are either present in amounts thousands of times that as a single vaccine or in the case of one, tested on animals at (50 thousand?) times the amount in the vaccine with no side-effects.

tonyboney (35) · 7 years ago (edited)

please look at both sides , when my daughter was young my wife was still on the fence , but the mothers and toddlers group she went to , a few of the children stopped talking and became lethargic , it turned out all these children had just recieved injections , THEY WENT FROM BABY TALK AND INQUISITIVE TO SILENT AND DOCILE
what should we think , any neurological damage ?? any life long consequences ??

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

Anecdotes do not beat a studies of hundreds of millions of people.

Many vaccines make children sick for a short period of time, to build immunity. If encountered naturally they would instead likely kill the child.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

thousands of studies > your one study that still hasn't been cited