RE: Native Americans

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Native Americans

in minnowsunite •  8 years ago 

So the argument in this video basically boils down to: might makes right, It's the right of any state or people to get away with as much murder and killing as they can, because others do it. Expansion and colonialism are human nature and you'd better get used to it.

...(facepalm)

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  ·  8 years ago (edited)

I think he tries to say that if whites are to be held accountable for their crimes in the USA, than other empires/peoples need to be held accountable exactly the same. But they're not. The arab and ottoman crimes and slavetrade of Europeans is pretty much ignored. The aztec brutality as well. Not to forget millions of deaths through communism caused by largely Jewish revolutionaries and intellectuals.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Everyone is responsible for the predictable consequences of their own actions.

If I pick up a rock, and throw it in the face of my neighbor, and then turn around and say to the horrified onlookers:

"look, people have been throwing rocks for a long time... if you want to hold me to account for my actions here today, first you're going to have to deal with every other rock thrower that ever lived."

The onlookers will be understandably horrified that this is my position.

That is the point, I don't want anyone to be held accountable for things they personally didn't do. This collective guilt is nonsense collectivist crap. Let's just drop the past, stop the conflict.

And let's start respecting eachother's rights. What is the point in fighting over stupid old crap.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

We can learn a lot from history. Otherwise, we're just conveniently tossing things down the memory-hole because it's uncomfortable. Real, horrible things have happened, within living memory. People now living survived those things, they will have to deal with them one way or another for the rest of their lives. Part of living is being in uncomfortable situations and learning from them.

Tell me, who feels guilt? Do you personally feel ashamed when these 'collectivists' use their words? If so, then I would suggest that you have something you feel ashamed about. If you do not feel ashamed, then, what's the problem?

People are trying to manipulate others, every day, 24/7 ... on so many levels. And this is what you want to spend your energy on? Trying to shame those who make you feel ashamed into not shaming? (sigh)

Scolding abstract groups of people conveniently labeled 'collectivist' to stop talking about whatever it is that's on their mind that makes you feel a certain way is an act of pure futility.

We are responsible for ourselves right? Then we are responsible for owning how things make us feel, and investigating why that is... Not turning the blame for these feelings, whatever they may be, onto some 'other'.

But you have to expose the liars, otherwise they will poison the minds of more people into this stupid ideology.

You stop the lies by exposing the liar, and by stopping the lies, only then you can start your own journey.

You can't be free alone, you need others to be free as well in order for you to be free.