I believe that this is not something that happens often or Steemians don't talk about it. I got kicked out of PAL due to some unforeseen events.
A brief intro of PAL
PAL stands for Peace Abundance Liberty and house one of the most popular services in the name of minnowsupport and banjo. If you use the $upvote command in the # upvote channel on Discord, your post will get upvoted by minnowsupport and banjo. For more infor on how this works, check here
The aftermath
Last week around Monday, I wrote my post as usual and went on Discord to promote it on the # post-promotions of channels that I am a member of. To my disbelief, I couldn't find the PAL channel among my channels list. I tripled check so as not to make any mistake but for sure it was not there. Maybe I left the server by mistake the night before so I asked a fellow Steemian to send me an invite.
I tried the link he sent and I get an invalid message. Even today while writing this, I tried the link directly from @minnowsupport page but still the same result.
It took me a few days to realise what had happened and I have been checking every now and then to verify if the ban was temporary or permanent.
How it happened!
By now you are all curious as to what might have caused a Steemian to be kicked out of such a great channel!
It all started on Saturday the 16th of September when @doushoum contacted me about an issue he was having. As usual, he waiting for some 30 minutes before using the $upvote command on the PAL discord channel. However, @minnowsupport didn't come to upvote his post.
I advised him to try it again on Sunday but the problem was still same. So to help him out, or so I thought, I used the $upvote command for his post in the PAL Discord channel. After a few minutes, all was great and @minnowsupport came to upvote his post and thus everyone was happy except the moderators of PAL!!!
How I know this was the reason? Well while talking with @doushoum during the week and explaining what happened to me, he was laughing at me. I asked him why and then he replied that he also got kicked out of the channel. This is how I knew that this must be the reason. I was not allowed to use the upvote command on another person's post.
This is not something that I had done once, I have probably done it some 3 times before they kicked me out. From my perspective, I was helping a fellow Steemian who is starting and need those initials push to be able to swim by himself.
But if we look at the other side, the people running PAL were right to remove me from their channel. If every other Steemian starts doing this then we could use this system to write 20 posts and get other Steemians to use @minnowsupport to upvote all of the posts of 1 person. This defeats the purpose of @minnowsupport and the rule that you can use the service once every 12 hours.
I haven't tried contacting them for various reasons and I don't feel any grudge for what has happened.
Morale of the story: READ THE MOTHER FUCKING RULES OF ALL THE CHANNELS AND ABIDE BY THEM 😈
What now for me?
First of all, I would like to say that I have been using the PAL services ever since I joined Steemit. The PAL community has been really awesome in helping us minnows and I have reached where I am thanks partly to PAL.
When one door closes, another one opens. Like @worldclassplayer has stated, the world is a playground and we are here to play. New adventures are starting for me on Steemit which is making me coming out of my comfort zone. I am an introvert by nature and interacting with people, even if it is behind a pseudo name, is difficult for me.
New fun are starting, new paths being explored and new opportunities up for the grabbing. Don't know where my Steemit adventure is going to take me but so far it has been a hell of a ride and am loving every little part of it 😎
If you enjoyed reading this post, don't forget to upvote, resteem and check out my other posts for interesting videos and reads :)
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If you get into problems again here is server for this:
MSP Probation
Intro: a server for people who are no longer allowed into the MSP server due to disciplinary action
Invite: https://discordapp.com/invite/Sx5RfvK
Spotted via @torico post :
Torico's Magickal List of Steemit Discord Servers v.2
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Thanks for the link @isacoin and @torico.
I will contact them and see how it goes tip! :)
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the person in PAL to approach is @discordiant. he is a nice guy. he runs the MSP probation server.
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It was a great article. I bookmarked it for future use XD tip!
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i put out a new version every 4-6 weeks as needed. suggest you check my blog for updates if v2 is over a month old.
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That's awesome! Gonna watch your posts XD
Cheers!
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Hi @torico! @pisolutionsmru is sending you 0.1 SBD tip and @tipU upvote
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Hi @isacoin! @pisolutionsmru is sending you 0.1 SBD tip and @tipU upvote
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As we all make mistakes I think a warning first would have been more appropriate. Unfortunately power corrupts those with tiny brains. I wouldn't apologize for being human if I was you. That's why I avoid these types of platforms at you don't know who the muppet's are moderating them. Upvoted.
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You are right @readallaboutit, i contacted the msp probation server guy, i dont recall his name but maybe it was @discordiant as @torico says in his comment, and he was like so narrow-minded in the way he was talking, and couldn't see anything else outside of his little carved path of doing things. The way he expressed himself pointed out a lot of the fact that he had little to do with thinking and reasoning; power corrupts indeed this kind of people. The reason i was kicked out was that i had multiple accounts, such as for travels, poetry and mixing them together would look like a bad ramen soup. So i explained hence i don't post shit post (and can be verifiable) then using the @minnowsupport services, only brings further value to the steemit community, and enforces further user retention and so on; not to mention if you scroll down in the upvote section, and randomly click on posts to check how they are, 10 out of 10 are shitty to diarrhea type of posts. I mean, if that's what @minnowsupport is supporting, then no wonder @steemit is going down the toilet hole. Yes, the rules are good against abusing, such as one has multiple accounts and posts rubbish posts then by no means ban them for life. But this person i was talking to on the server was incredibly ridiculous showing a total lack of ability to think on his own, make rational and sustainable decisions, and lacking to the greater good of the service they provide and of the platform they provide the services unto.
Indeed we don't know the muppet that are moderating them; but that doesn't mean the puppets are walking like zombies with no head. It's sad to see this thing, even here on the platform.. What kind of groups/discord servers are you joined in, if i may ask @readallaboutit? I see you are able of self-awareness and common sense thinking, so i may be able to learn something useful from under your advice? Thanks.
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It says right in the PAL rules when you first register that multiple accounts is a violation of our server rules. I'm sorry you missed it, but because of bot abuse there is no exception to that. You are welcome to have multiple accounts outside of PAL.
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So posts with only a youtube link that use your services, isn't bot abuse ??
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You attempted to get me to bend the rules in just your case, purely on the argument that rules were meant to be broken. You said that your posts were worthy of being able to give a single person more than one vote, and I told you that the rules were intended to content-agnostic in relation to multi-account violations.
As I told you in Probation, there were multiple warnings on new join, and registration, that clearly state:
Any attempt to gain more than one use of $upvote by any means inside a single cool-down period, including multiple registered accounts, will result in a permanent ban.
We caught you, you admitted to it in Probation, your ban was permanent.
It's not hard to understand, and it isn't a narrow-minded point of view to stick to the statements of our rules made in multiple places.
Edit: I just noticed that this was a rather old post originally. Amazing this got dug up this far along.
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I'm not asking you to bend the rules, as if the rules are a bar of iron and i'm asking you to bend that. What i've asked you is to use your brain, your thought process and become aware that the only rules that exist are the rules or the laws of physics. What other rules we invented and created, are rules or ideologies to be used for guidance and to support a concept of a greater good; which in this case was promotion and support of quality posts of a minnow.
Let me ask you something, how many times you didn't follow a law or regulation, you didn't obeyed by it or just simply bend it, because you thought is not fair, or you thought that that restriction simply limits something you thought it shouldn't be limited at all? Or just took a shortcut because you thought the greater good was worth it ?
What i'm sure about, is that we're all people. There is right and wrong, and for that we have policies in place, to protect the right from wrong. But nothing is perfect, and will be many times when the policies would do harm rather than help. That's when one has to use common sense and realise the difference between standing for what's right and enforcing a law just because they have control to do it, and as @readallaboutit said: power corrupts - and that's when it harms the most .
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That's kinda harsh, they should have at least warned you first.
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I will need to chat with them soon to check what was the real reason...
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Have not got time to read the rules. Thanks for this post.
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oh wow! I never used Pal but now you are in the unmentionables :) so perhaps it was a good thing!
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Haha maybe time will tell pretty soon XD
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Wow... what a shame. Good luck with your new adventures :)
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Thanks :)
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NOM NOM?!?
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Nom = Name in french XD
Do you want my name haha!!
Cheers :)
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it is really nice to use discord but we should follow the rules
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Well we welcome to to the unmentionables. Please dont get kicked out again dude 😂
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Hahah!!! Thanks! Now I read the rules of every room carefully XD
I will make sure not to get kicked out again :)
Cheers :)
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Dont worry. Here, we watch your back.
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Yeah, well... Maybe it would have been better if they had given you a warning. A lot of channels do extend that courtesy.
The problem with these groups is that some people don't fit in, and when they find a group where they do, eventually the character of the group changes and they're uncomfortable there all over again. I was never comfortable with the character of PAL, so I don't go there. But I've been thinking that someone should make a group for anti-social steemit users. If there is one, I'd like to know about it, because so far only steemfollower really lets you participate without forcing you to socialize or be ousted.
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Yes you're right.. Some channels do have hard rules and not following them can get you kicked out.. We just need to find the right communities that fit our ways :)
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MSP provide an extremely valuable service for Steemit. Srsly, I don't know how minnows get any kind of traction otherwise. I so applaud their efforts, but they do seem to have gotten crankier and crankier in the time I've known them.
I KNOW they have a tough and thankless job and that too many people act like this is something they're entitled to, rather than something they should be grateful for. I've worked with people in general enough to know they can be a surly bunch, especially if you have to cut back on or take away something they used to get for free.
But I have decided that the next time I have a problem over there, I'm just going to let it go rather than speak up or see about it. The "vibes" are getting a little hostile. So I wouldn't feel too bad about this @pisolutionsmru. Go where you are loved. And we love you at The Unmentionables.
That fact alone should confirm we're all half crazy. (GRIN) And goin' downhill fast.
from #theunmentionables
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I have not interacted with them much but only those channels relevant to me.
I have a hard time talking with people and this I don't do it much :( tip!
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Hi @enchantedspirit! @pisolutionsmru is sending you 0.1 SBD tip and @tipU upvote
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hahaha i still find it funny we got kick out of PAL :P
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Haha!! Sorry for the trouble and here is a tip! XD
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Hi @doushoum! @pisolutionsmru is sending you 0.1 SBD tip and @tipU upvote
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That's too bad but at least now you know and so do others.
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Yes that's why I wrote the post for others ti know that such things are possible.
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Oh dear, can you appeal to someone in PAL to be allowed back in?
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That's alright.. This is allowing me to venture deeper into Steemit to find new ventures and opportunities and am loving it
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Great post. Pretty smart of you to decipher the root of the problem. Hopefully some mods from PAL may read this post and reconsider you.
PAL is indeed a great system. And you are right... Many of us, myself inclusive, hardly ever read the fine prints of an agreement before clicking signup...
This should serve as a lesson to us all....
I also think what helps to keep you relevant on the PALnet, is to upvote the @minnowsupport post after the bots have upvoted your post.
I noticed you get full earnings from the bots this way... And when you dont upvote their upvote confirmation message, your earnings are reduced at the next time you use the service.
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Thanks for the tip. Hope Steemians who uses the minnowsupport service read your comment and upvote the confirmation message tip!
Cheers
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Hi @abasinkanga! @pisolutionsmru is sending you 0.1 SBD tip and @tipU upvote
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Making a note and off to read the rules now :)
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Haha
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My husband and I both got booted last night. I was trying to help him figure out how to use the $upvote feature. He did it wrong the first time so got put in time out. Then he did it wrong a second time and then tried a third. I tried to do it for his post from my account after I had posted one of my own. Lol. Oh well.
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We got it figured out thanks to a higher up comment! :) Talked it out on the probation group.
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Really glad that this post helped you sort the issue out :)
Cheers XD
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This wonderful post has received a bellyrub 0.45 % upvote from @bellyrub thanks to this cool cat: @kid4life. My pops @zeartul is one of your top steemit witness, if you like my bellyrubs please go vote for him, if you love what he is doing vote for this comment as well.
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That's really cool of you @kid4life.
Many thanks! Cheers XD
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@pisolutionsmru got you a $8.17 @minnowbooster upgoat, nice! (Image: pixabay.com)
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I think they should have warned you before kicking you out... on the other side you should read the rules as well :)
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Haha yes this was the mistake I made
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Thanks for sharing this. I just joined there. Will read the rules :)
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Better do so :)
Cheers and keep steem'in XD
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:) Yup!
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This post recieved an upvote from minnowpond. If you would like to recieve upvotes from minnowpond on all your posts, simply FOLLOW @minnowpond
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We don't just ban for using the $upvote on another account, we actually don't mind someone helping out another person.
What tends to cause it is when we suspect that both accounts are suspected of being the same person. We do in fact have hundreds of accounts that try this. It's hard to be sure about who is doing it and who is just helping someone out. We do occasionally get it wrong and we do have methods for verifying if there are 2 separate people.
We have a MSP Probation Discord server you can join to talk to us and we can start the process there for verification.
We have several things we look at to determine a connection between accounts, and while I haven't looked at your specific ban yet, we are always willing to try and verify if we got it wrong.
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