If you have been saving for retirement or wondering how much you should save for retirement, there is a rule that has been pretty much standard. It is called the 4% rule, which basically means that you can take 4% of your retirement savings out and expect it to last the duration of your retirement. While it is a basic rule, everyones needs are different so its important to look at the specifics of why this rule actually works, for how long it will work and how much you actually need to save for this rule to work.
The first thing to take in mind is that this rule is based on what the market has returned on average in the last 30 years. On average if you count reinvestment of dividends, the market has returned around 9%-11% per year, the rule of thumb is roughly your money doubles every 7-8 years over a 30 year period. These returns alone really show the power that having money invested can bring. Even with an event like the 2008 financial crisis, the returns end up still being pretty fantastic.
The 4% rule relies mostly on how long you think you will be retired for and how much supplemental income you have along with the money stored away. If you expect to be retired for 20 years the rule has a 90%+ success rate and about an 80%+ rate if you expect to be retired for 30 years. You would still have money after these times most likely, but the idea is you want to whether the storm if there is an economic event like a bear market cycle. The real problem would be if you wanted to retire in a certain year and it happens to be a bad economic year.
For example if you wanted to retire in 2008, with the value of stocks being so low, many people just decided to work for a few years until they went back up, which they ultimately did. You could also play with the amounts if you wanted to be more conservative, so say for example you wanted to do a 3% rule instead of a 4% rule. Not only would your success rates long term go up, but you would also be able to weather a bad market much easily and not have to worry much. The key always comes down to how much money you actually have invested and how much you can live on.
So how much money do you need invested for the 4% rule to work ? Basically the 4% will be added to any sort of other retirement plans you might have through work and social security. So if you plan on getting a decent amount in a pension and social security, you might not need as much money from the 4% rule to survive. It comes down to what your spending habits are. If you need 40,000 usd to live a year and expect to get no social security or any pension, then you would need a million dollars in the market in order to live.
You should also take into account inflation over that long period of time because 40,000 usd might not be that much near the end of your retirement. The key is you want to be able to retire comfortably and now have to worry about finances. The 4% rule is a good basis point for this, but you might want to adjust it a bit for your own preferences and needs. When in doubt talk to a financial professional (who is also a fiduciary) to look at your finances and find what is right for you. Tomorrow ill most likely write an article on how to get a million dollars in the stock market, which isnt as hard as you might think if you start contributing when you are very young.
-Calaber24p
Great write-up. But I honestly don't think social security and pensions will be around by the time I retire, not to mention the real inflation rate is currently much higher than the gov.-massaged statistics say.
And by the time I'm close to retirement, real inflation rates will probably be even higher.
Secondly, global stock/bond markets are being kept alive by endless printing of fiat, which eventually will cause a currency crisis!
As far as I'm concerned, for millennials such as myself, POS cryptos and other deflationary cryptos are the only way to go!
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Yeah for younger people, you will need to save much more through the 4% rule if you plan on using it. So instead of 1 million you might need to save 1.3 million to account for no pension or social security. Inflation rates are fine with the money invested because bonds and stocks will almost always reflect the real inflation rate. The bigger problem would be if you had money in just cash.
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A lot of young people seem to think that a million dollars by retirement is some vast, unattainable sum that only the rich can achieve. It's important to remember that $1 now, invested properly over a course of 40+ years is likely to be worth $15+ as a conservative estimate.
If a 20 year old could invest about $60,000 present-day dollars (without any additional contributions), they're set to have a million by retirement age. For a 30 year old, present-day holdings of $130,000 (without any additional contributions) should guarantee the same.
These still seem like vast sums of money - And they are. But combining compound interest with ongoing retirement contributions should make it pretty easy for the average North American to set aside enough money for retirement if they're financially responsible.
I'm sure you'll cover it more thoroughly in your upcoming post. Looking forward to reading!
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SHHHH dont spoil my upcoming article :) Seriously though, this is the point, the key is to take out just a bit automatically from each paycheck and throw it into the market and watch as it soars in value while you do nothing. Half the time its money you would blow on something stupid anyway. Simply investing small amounts of money in index funds and the whole market over time you can retire with a million dollars. Patience is key.
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I agree. Doing the same right now, investing it in a low cost index fund, now waiting to let it compound. It's so simple, but efficient. People sometimes overcomplicate investing in the stock market.
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" if they're financially responsible."
That is the key right there.
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Or have that kind of income. At 20 I had $3K and lived like a king, $60K was a pipe dream...
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I agree. I made $6-8k in a summer, and all of that went to pay tuition, housing and food costs. I saved maybe a few hundred dollars toward retirement during that time.
$60k at 20 is a pipe dream for most people. $130k at 30 is also a pipe dream for many.
But if you contribute small amounts regularly beginning fairly early on, it's very feasible to have a million dollars in 40-50 years. It's just keeping in mind that every dollar you put in during your 20's and early 30's is going to be worth 7-15 times more when you retire. Every bottle of coke you buy when you're 20 is a $15 bottle of coke. Your $20 fast food purchase ends up costing you $300.
Keeping these figures in mind, it becomes very easy to convince yourself that you can do without some things now in order to have a better retirement later. Very few people are going to invest their $60k at 20 years old, but even investing a fraction of that will help immensely later in life.
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Sadle i willn't have to think about retirement any time soon. Or if steem goes x500 i might be able to retire. LOL. But in my serious opnion everyone has a different view on this. Some people know they willn't be living in 10 years so no need to apply this rule then. Thats just an example so the 4% rule isn't really a rule just a personal opnion. But great article and correct me if i'm wrong.
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Being able to retire is less about good luck and more about time plus investing as much as you can. Its extremely hard to be patient especially seeing how much the market moves in crypto, but over a period of 30-40 years You would be amazed how much your investments grow.
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Yea but thats a really large time period and what if a crash happens just like 2009. All your investments are gone then so is your retirment.
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by the way would love it if you checked out my profile just wrote a article.
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I didn’t knew about that rule, but sounds right giving ins conservative nature.
Although there I believe young people right now should also take into consideration other thingns, especially crypto. The opportunity with crypto is incredible because if it goes bad, then a young person still has time to recover, and it if goes good then that same person would be way ahead.
Right now, I think crypto is a better choice than the stock market for young people.
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They are different, I personally dont think the stock market will ever go away and I think that even if you are young, you should still not put all your eggs in one basket. Part of retiring comfortably is giving the money time to grow at a slow pace, so the younger you are, the better off you are when youre old. I would say if you are too over exposed to take some gains and put them in safer places.
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I like the calculation and I would like to point out one thing: the 4% rule not just works until the end of your life, but also leaves your savings intact for your successors - you are living from the interest, not from the principal. Otherwise, even a higher percentage could work. Cheers! : )
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Exactly, thats the best part. Also you have an emergency fund if something happens.
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Your 4% rule is right on spot. I think it's very important to have a feedback loop, where you're constantly thinking about what you've done and how you could be doing it better. I think that's the single best piece of advice: constantly think about how you could be doing things better and questioning yourself especially when it comes to our retirement and your investment.
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I wish something like this worked for my country.
Problem with Croatia is that all the young people are leaving country for better paid jobs.
And now there aren't enough of people that can work and support the pension fund.
The rate of people that don't work (+65 years ) and those that fund the pension fund is almost 1:1.
For example, my grandmother earned more from Germany pension where she worked for like 10 years, than the Croatian pension where she worked for 35 years.
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We got the same problem in Belgium where even people don't leave the country. The pension funds provided by the government are just a ponzi scheme. The bottom is falling out, and now they realise the system is about to fail...
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Yeah that is rough, pensions are disappearing from the United States as well. I actually have an upcoming article on this as well and how I think it will affect the retirement of many people. Its getting more and more up to the individual and if they dont pay attention they will end up old and poor.
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Great post. I could call it in many ways, but I think the best way to call you post is “educational and steer”
I guess even tough I’m still young, I should start saving now.
Thank you for this, your posts are always very steer.
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Youre never too young to start saving :) Open up a roth IRA and try to max it out each year if you can. ($5500) That will be free of capital gains tax when you retire.
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The figures look interesting. How about doing the same thing steemit and having faith in the platform.
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I liked this work I want the same in my country
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Looks like I have to make 1.5 million and invest it asap!
and thanks for the reminder. I love the stock market, very liquid & good returns. Some recommend to buy rental houses for retirment, but I dont like it at all. What's your opinion?
Rules169
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Tangible real estate isnt for me. Too much risk on a single property and theres a lot of upkeep that needs to be done. If you really wanted to invest in real estate, I would suggest a REIT (real estate investment trust) which is basically a bundle of properties and you get paid the rental income as dividends. Real estate should be a smaller part of your portfolio though in general. It comes down to personal preferences.
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Please write a post about renting vs buying a home.
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My cousins did rental houses after retirement and they hated it. However, they did most of the upkeep and maintenance themselves, so that could be one of the reasons they disliked it.
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Haha yeah I bet maintaining a bunch of houses can be a pain in the ass. Good thing that stocks don't need maintenance.
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Depends on needs really. A medical emergency can change things drastically.
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restemeed and upvote
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restemeed and upvote
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