Okay, that's not the title of the article.
Here is the title of the article: As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers race to replace workers with robots
But, that's basically the complaint. Ever since President Trump entered office, apparently ICE has started doing its job and illegal aliens are deciding that it is probably better to stay back at home. Because of this lack of very cheap and illegal labor, California farmers are moaning about having to either raise wages or move to automation.
In particular, they fear having to buy Argobot to replace their workforce.
Sure, upgrading to machines is expensive and farming itself is an up and down business. Most people became aware of the issues with the ups and downs of farming when Farm Aid was created back in the mid-80s.
Willie Nelson, Neil Young and John Mellencamp organized the first Farm Aid concert in 1985 to raise awareness about the loss of family farms and to raise funds to keep farm families on the land.
Farmers had bought a lot of expensive equipment and then food prices collapsed. When the prices collapsed, then they couldn't afford the loans on the equipment or their land and many went under, having to sell farms that had been in the family for generations. The New York Times published an article in 1988, Farm Population Lowest Since 1850's
Officials said an average of 4,986,000 people lived on farms in 1987, or 2 percent of the United States population of 243.4 million.
By 1850, farm people made up 4.9 million, or about 64 percent, of the nation's 7.7 million workers.
Try to take a grasp of those numbers. In 1987, the same number of people were farming as back in 1850. But, in 1850, that made up 64% of the population.
According to the USDA and the 2012 Census
In 2012, 3.2 million farmers operated 2.1 million farms... the number of U.S. farmers declined between 2007 and 2012 going down 4.3 percent in the case of principal operators.
The number of people who farm as a profession in the USA is dropping every time the census is being taken.
Has food production reduced? No.
Has the variety of food reduced? No.
Then how did this happen?
Automation.
Whenever labor cost goes to high to meet market price demands, automation must happen. Also, when labor become short, automation must happen. I know, that in the midwest states, corn production was changed as fewer and fewer teenagers looked to farm work for cash. Farmers couldn't find kids willing to come out to the country to work a hard day, when they could easily stay in town and work an easy day for the same amount of money. Also, jobs on the farm are dependent on other factors and sometimes they are not very steady. Someone who needs to help provide for the family, can't rely on a job that might be delayed due to rain and wind.
What kept automation out of the California, was cheap labor and then need for human hands for harvesting. But, that has been changing, with innovation. Engineers and creative farmers have found ways to harvest crops using machines and tools to speed up the process and reduce labor cost. It will continue to go this way.
And for some farmers, the move won't be to create machines to do the harvesting, but to improve the way plants are being grown and eliminate other unknowns. Hyrdoponics and aquaponics can't replace every crop method, but eventually more and more produce will be grown in large green houses, where less water and nutrients are need and no pesticides are used.
The irony of California's issues is, they are big on Fight for $15 and Living Wages, but when it comes to picking kale, they are okay with someone being paid under-the-table at a lower wage in order to keep prices down.
It seems to me that the problem isn't the shortage of immigrant workers. It's more a question of economies of scale. Economics dictates that no matter what the job, if you pay someone enough, people will work. If a company is large enough, it can:
If enough large companies decides that automation is the way to go, then wages will remain low across the board. After all, if the overwhelming majority of goods can reach the market at a lower price, a smaller enterprise can't decide to sell a product at a higher price just because the owner prefers the higher-wages option. Their product wouldn't sell at a price needed for them to break even.
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Correct.
They do not want to raise the wages, because that would attract LEGAL residence to work. And if that happens, then they have to abide by other labor laws of the state's making.
They basically sewed the seeds of their own destruction, because it will be cheaper for someone to build a greenhouse and automate it, than it will be for the outdoor farmer to automate their process.
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Nevertheless, I don't believe that automation in and of itself is a bad thing. Yes, it will put unskilled laborers out of work, but it will also create new jobs -- conceptualization of hydroponics and more efficient methods of farming, construction of the robots/machines, and electronics system maintenance.
The real problem is the oligopoly of agricultural producers. Once the hurdles to entry become impossible to overcome, they are free to manipulate the market as they please. Subsidies for automation should be available to the smaller producers to be able to compete and to increase free market competition.
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I don't know. In a free market it would all sort itself out. Robot-machine cheaper than labour? Buy robot-machine. Prefer labour? Hire labour. Not happy with wage - change job. Not hired by anyone? Accept pay. It's just so damn easy.
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In initial cost, now the robot is not cheaper than labor. But, if you were to amortize the cost of the robot over the years before replacement, then it should be cheaper than the overall cost of the labor.
Like I said, the midwest and other farmers outside of California and the south have gone almost completely automated. A farm that used to take over 100 men to harvest can now be done by 2.
Part of the issue is with government control of the crop prices, so that people grow only the crops that are extremely profitable due to government subsidies. Believe it or not, but most subsidies go to large corporation farms and not to small farmers. And of course, forced wages (minimum wages) also hurts the price.
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What does automated mean in the US? It's hard to compare to what I see every day here I suppose. I'm not sure, but it seems to me like almost all farms in Norway are a family operation. There are no mega-farms/corporations. Heavily subsidized by the state of course. But they rarely have employees. It's just a farm and the farmer with his machines. We don't have minimum wage however, but we have import taxes on goods like dairy products - so if you want something other than norwegian made cheese, you have to pay big bucks.
Farmers complain every year, but I've never seen anything less than a New Volvo parked outside the farmhouses.
But do you see it as a problem that they go all automated? Isn't it good that what used to take over 100 men to harvest now only takes two?
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Automation is good.
If you see a combine or even a tractor with a harvester or seeder attachment, that is automation. All sized farms have some sort of automation.
I don't see a problem for full automation. We have outbreaks of e-coli every year, which is usually caused by some worker taking a dump in the middle of the field. We as a society are beyond this point and the only reason for manual labor of this type is because companies don't want to pay the actual costs. Either through wages or automation.
Now, on the flip side of things, I think that EVERYONE should grow more of their own food. And automation could help there as well. There are bots being built for hobby farms or individual house farm. There are all sorts of ways to use hyrdoponics to grow food indoors.
In fact, I see, that the improvements in large scale farm harvesting, would only help tiny home farms, by providing automation tools for harvesting.
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Yup. I'm so tired of reading the msm bashing and crying about automation. "What are people going to do now?" Well..exactly what some backwards people probably said when they invented the wheel. What are Joe going to do now that he hasn't have to drag everything after him. Steve has no use for him anymore!
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I can't agree with the sentiment. I don't think there's any malicious intent for most of the farmers. They're just slaves themselves of the economic model that's developed in the years that the US Government stayed lax about immigration. Now that the immigrants are being kept to lawful standards, the farmers need to go back to the drawing board and re-price the produce. It's not their fault, but I do agree with you that they need to now make a more conscientious decision.
I also don't like the fact that minimum wage is hiking. Higher minimum wage drives prices of the produce and consumables higher while discouraging corporations and manufacturing .
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Small farmers are not the issue, it is the corporate farmers who knowingly break the rules and vote for the government that helps them.
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Now that, that I agree with.
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Good topic no easy solutions...
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Unfortunately, most millennials hope that the robots do the work...So they don't have to !
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And then someone still get everything paid for.
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I choose to pay a little more at the farmers market for locally grown produce that I choose not to grow myself, I have visited the farms of my favorite producers and it just adds a little to the overall satisfaction knowing where your food comes from. I have nothing against automation but I would rather support my local economy and neighbors than purchase produce from mega farms across the country. With this decision I mainly eat what is in the current growing season, this can limit variety to some extent but I am seeing locals looking to greenhouses, walipinies, and hoop houses. I am a local sustainability supporter even if it means slightly higher prices and automation.
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