hahaha,
I wish that I was paid for these posts.... well, actually I am but thanks to Daniel Larimer and SteemIt ;)
If you check my history you will see that I have other posts that are not related to the secession of Catalonia but about cryptocurrencies and personal freedom.
And secession is not freedom, it is fascism trying to impose the will of a few Spaniards from Catalonia to the rest of Spaniards so they steal part of the land of all Spaniards.
You have been very well indoctrinated, the most corrupt politicians in Spain are the ones from Catalonia and Andalucia. Just look at the longtime regional president of Catalonia, Pujol, and his family being tried in court for corruption.
About "sucking the tits" hahaha
Economically Catalonia is far from what it once was, their downfall came when the secessionist and corrupt politicians arrived to the regional government, starting with Pujol and his family tried for corruption and stealing money from all Spaniards.
Catalonia is currently broke, the Spanish government has had to give even more money from the taxes of all Spaniards to Catalonia, taking it away from other regions, so the public services and salaries in the region of Catalonia could be paid for. The government has given this additional money to Catalonia to see if they stop crying (qui no plora no mama) but it is impossible with the secessionist regional politicians.
Furthermore, without Spain Catalonia would be completely broke, without the support from the tax money from the rest of Spaniards, without the Spanish market, outside of the EU (because to enter you need the Spanish vote and you will never ever get it), ostracised internationally...
The "Espanya ens roba" (Spain steals from us) is false, it is exactly the opposite, the ones stealing from the Catalonians and the rest of Spaniards are the regional secessionist politicians from Catalonia.
Hi, thanks for your reply. It's sad, you should offer your services, I am sure they would be interested.
Can you agree that for the secession to be peaceful it's necessary that the catalans and the spanish people both vote. The Catalans first because they are fed up, or at least a part want something new. And then if the vote is successful, who knows if it isn't allowed to happen, the rest of spain can vote too on the subject. Or the reverse. what ever it's true that it should be both side.
No the downfall of catalonia happened when the catalans bosses found that it was easier to hire cheap foreigners ready to work for almost free in barcelona and let the native catalans mostly in the dust due to more qualifications, lower pay and higher knowledge of foreign languages. Then with mass immigrations most low qualifications job pay very little in catalonia as the supply of labor is limitless.
Then on your remark about the spanish behavior if catalonia was to seceded shows that it's not the path toward peace. Why would spain block catalonia entry in the eu? Rather than focus on being a nice neighboor, improving itself to the point were catalans begs to reenter spain.
I know that would ask real work, and it's way simpler to justify smashing with state force people who once were spanish. I am not sure they think of themselves now...
peace is way harder than violence, the dividends infinitely higher, but there need to be honest, factual dialogues. Otherwise force is faster, but does it achieve any dividend at all even when wrapped in a nice narrative packaging?
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A secessionist vote is not allowed by Spanish constitution and that is why it was declared illegal.
If you want to vote then first try to change the Spanish Constitution to allow a secessionist poll. If you manage it then try to change the European Constitution that also prevents secessions within member states (1).
Regarding allowing Catalonia in the EU, how can you dream that in a hypothetical secession (that will never happen), after stealing part of the Spanish country, that country is going to have any good relations with you?
If a burglar comes to your home and steals your property, are you going to be friends with him??? Come on, get real! You will want him to be behind bars and to get back your property.
So if secession is currently illegal under Spanish Constitution and European Constitution was is the point of making an illegal, irrelevant and useless vote? Obviously none.
As I said, change both those constitutions first and then we can start talking about all Spaniards deciding if they break Spain apart.
From your comments I also see that you are a xenophobe, of course... what I'm thinking off... secessionism is xenophobism and fascism... hahaha
(1) http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/default.aspx?pdffile=CDL-INF(2000)002-e
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what do you think of the declaration of independence of the United States of America?
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They don't want your money. Let them go.
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Would you allow someone to take away your land?
So Spaniards will never let some fascist secessionist to steal their land.
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Would you let them be if they said they didn't want your land either? Would you let them keep their houses where they are, not pay any taxes or abide by your rules? (And if this was ever an option, how would they know the next generation would keep your word?)
Probably not. Why would you? That's why the only practical way out, as it seems right now, is physical isolation and the establishment of another country.
It may cost you to let current taxpayers and a few children born into a slavery (that you blame on the decissions of their parrents or earlier ancestors) go, but it will be a whole lot more effecient for you all if in the long run if you stop forcing integration.
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